Salic Consanguinity for me, it allows me to bypass crappy first sons.
What do you play with?
What do you play with?
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Depends on who I am. If I'm in a traditional western European realm I use salic or semi salic primogeniture.
If I'm farther east, say Nubia, I use salic Consanguinity.
If I'm farther east, say Nubia, I use salic Consanguinity.
Whatever happens to amuse me at the moment. Playing as elective or gavelkind can be very fun. Salic laws are easiest to play, so people probably prefer those.
I usually stick to Salic. When I've played with Semisalic I always eventually lose track and make a stupid marriage and lose the entire realm. I've never even played with Gavelkind. How does that work?
Let's say I have a kingdom. The tool tip in game says that all titles are distributed between the sons. Is it the first son or the strongest son that get the kingdom title? Also are the other brothers who don't get the kingdom titles vassals of the heir with the new kingdom title?
Also, lets say I have 2 kingdom titles. Would playing with Gavelkind split the two kingdoms apart?
Let's say I have a kingdom. The tool tip in game says that all titles are distributed between the sons. Is it the first son or the strongest son that get the kingdom title? Also are the other brothers who don't get the kingdom titles vassals of the heir with the new kingdom title?
Also, lets say I have 2 kingdom titles. Would playing with Gavelkind split the two kingdoms apart?
Gavelkind would split the kingdoms apart, with the first son getting one, the second getting another.
Gavelkind does seem interesting, although i'd of course go for Salic. At least as long as you manage to remain at duke/king level... the question of how a single kingdom is split up remains unanswered: i'd assume the demesne and duke titles of the king would be split up, with the eldest or strongest (which?) getting the king title. I would assume the titles are divided in order of strength of heirs, just from a common sense viewpoint.
I used to keep semisalic primo since it's the default and most realistic for western monarchies I think. Elective occasionally, at least if I only have bastard sons, not legitimate ones. Bastards are on the same line as everyone else in elective
Makes for more interesting games, trying to get that bastard son to inherit (especially if they get good stats), rather than just letting salic law give you a country cousin, or having some distant cousin inherit.
For normal games these days i'd go for salic primo or consang. Either means you don't have to stress about a game over.
I've also started considering trying out cognate primogeniture (comes with DVIP or the addon package for it, replaces 2 of the church laws I think, is coded via events or something): I think the way it is in-game is that the oldest male child inherits, if none exist then oldest male (great-?)grandchild, if none exist then oldest daughter. Might try it with my current Welsh game at some point, at least if I end up with no legitimate sons: i've got a lot of distant cousins with my dynasty name, but who should be safe for intermarrying with my descendants (since they're more distantly related than 1st cousins). Hence, if I married my oldest child, a daughter, to a distant cousin with the same surname at some point, the daughter would rule, but even after her, their children and thus the future heirs of the kingdom would still be of my dynasty. Another situation where having the eldest female inherit could be cool would be if the ruler died without sons, but while his wife was pregnant, possibly with a son. The new Queen would then basically be a regent. Of course, this latter situation can't really be planned on, other than changing to cognate primo if and when you have an elderly/sick ruler with only daughters, but maybe with a young wife.
P.S. for CK2, I would like cognate primo as a core choice, with both cognate primo and the semisalic laws working properly: as it is, semisalic primo only grants the inheritance to the oldest daughters sons if you have no heirs; IRL it should go to the oldest daughers oldest son regardless of whether she has any younger brothers, I think.
I used to keep semisalic primo since it's the default and most realistic for western monarchies I think. Elective occasionally, at least if I only have bastard sons, not legitimate ones. Bastards are on the same line as everyone else in elective
Makes for more interesting games, trying to get that bastard son to inherit (especially if they get good stats), rather than just letting salic law give you a country cousin, or having some distant cousin inherit.For normal games these days i'd go for salic primo or consang. Either means you don't have to stress about a game over.
I've also started considering trying out cognate primogeniture (comes with DVIP or the addon package for it, replaces 2 of the church laws I think, is coded via events or something): I think the way it is in-game is that the oldest male child inherits, if none exist then oldest male (great-?)grandchild, if none exist then oldest daughter. Might try it with my current Welsh game at some point, at least if I end up with no legitimate sons: i've got a lot of distant cousins with my dynasty name, but who should be safe for intermarrying with my descendants (since they're more distantly related than 1st cousins). Hence, if I married my oldest child, a daughter, to a distant cousin with the same surname at some point, the daughter would rule, but even after her, their children and thus the future heirs of the kingdom would still be of my dynasty. Another situation where having the eldest female inherit could be cool would be if the ruler died without sons, but while his wife was pregnant, possibly with a son. The new Queen would then basically be a regent. Of course, this latter situation can't really be planned on, other than changing to cognate primo if and when you have an elderly/sick ruler with only daughters, but maybe with a young wife.
P.S. for CK2, I would like cognate primo as a core choice, with both cognate primo and the semisalic laws working properly: as it is, semisalic primo only grants the inheritance to the oldest daughters sons if you have no heirs; IRL it should go to the oldest daughers oldest son regardless of whether she has any younger brothers, I think.
Being inbred in CK means your parents have the same last name. So if your ruler is of a "of {PROVINCENAME}" -dynasty, marrying him with a random courtier might give inbred children.
In CK, yes, but i've been told that in DV it instead checks for common grandparents, not the dynasty name.
Semisalic gavelkind is how real men play Crusader Kings.
I actually play salic consanguinity.
I actually play salic consanguinity.
That's what I do too, 90% of my games.
Rest of the time Salic Primogeniture or Elective (if I want a little bit more of a chalenge
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I sort of change it around based on whatever law at the time gives me the best results :T
I don't use gavelkind because the resulting countries will be messed up, with a province here and there...
From the rest of the laws it doesn't matter, just go with the flow. I prefer to change to the historical choice of the country at one point though.
From the rest of the laws it doesn't matter, just go with the flow. I prefer to change to the historical choice of the country at one point though.
I usually have salic consanguity like OP, since that allows me to pick my heir by giving him a duchy title, and I never run the risk of an in-law inheriting.
<Invalid law> .... to let the females inherit too ... not all that sexist crap *lol*
Actually only did that in my Tuscany game ... got tired of renaming the kids in the save-gamefile, so they would have same dynasty as mother Mathilda
Strongest Son Rule ... unless I for role-play reasons change that. But I prefer to use that, as I want to keep my dynasty in my starting culture. Best way to ensure that is to pick my next heir.
.... to let the females inherit too ... not all that sexist crap *lol*Actually only did that in my Tuscany game ... got tired of renaming the kids in the save-gamefile, so they would have same dynasty as mother Mathilda
Strongest Son Rule ... unless I for role-play reasons change that. But I prefer to use that, as I want to keep my dynasty in my starting culture. Best way to ensure that is to pick my next heir.
You can marry your first born to a fifty y/o steward (who will not get children) then pick a lustful beauty to the 'chosen' son. After the first born dies, he and his children can carry on the culture.
It is good to have brief periods of strange kings now and again.
Salic Consanguity is my preferred law, but sometimes I don't get to choose as there's only one son or the ruler dies before his sons are mature enough. As Galuska mentioned in the previous post, it's good to have periods like this. Adds to the randomness that reality is at times
Unless you marry only within your own culture (and keep the capital in a same-culture province) there will always be a chance that some of the kids (even all of them) will have wrong culture.
I can still have crappy kings ... if the good one is wrong cultured, and all I have left is my insane same-cultured second son
I just don't like my King of all of Iberia to be of Norwegian culture and named Thorleif de Barcelona ... aesthetics
Yep, it's fun to try to create large empire when parts of it become independent kingdoms frequently and you have to either assasinate your relatives or fight wars against them. If two kings die in a quick row (before your king had chance to kill off his brothers) then kingdom ends up even more fragmented and then new king has to fight against his brothers and uncles to unite the realm.