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El Señor Oscuro de los Foros
Oct 14, 2002
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Defeat is Certain​


To be considered:

You must know this thread is made to make recruitments, to express Eu2 ideas, to comment. Summing up, to participate.

Data:

Sessions: Saturday's 17:00 Cet till 21:00 Cet

Rules' Modifications:

1)Map tradding available (with Ai and humans), simply! we're investing to have maps... You should know how to defend your interests! for example, Spain uses not to give maps to his allies in order to protect their colonies. Some countries would give maps for other reasons or not, this should be a perm decision (not a sub's one of course)

2)Allies + countries in cooperation can only demand less than 100 % (war points that can be traded for bounties and territories) in a war (as total)

3)Rule 2 can be ignored since it's a right invaded countries can use or not depending of circunstances. for example: a country can peace out in a stab hit or it can reach an agreement as separate with an enemy country. Of course this doesn't mean the rest in war can't obtain 100, the 100% is still there to be taken (that will provoke 2 ways to fight wars: 1st way this rule will foment cooperation, that means allias and cooperants will peace together if they think they may end a war, as winners or losers. 2nd way, it will foment distrust, some countries use to lie! (cultural thing or the dictator of the moment, in this case, a player ) and it's better to keep them out of a common peace agreement no matter if they are helping! they could betray you as well! they could peace out in the worst moment for you and your allias, it's better to keep distance.)

4) A country can't be forced to peace out for more than 100 percent, no matter if it's in -3 stab and having -99 in a war. (they know what they are doing, if they want to cause a civil war or a government falling, let him to do so, it's their own risk) Personally If i see I'm gonna be stab hitted, I'd have a B plan, if not, tell your allias you're in bad shape, or take risk and accept a pair of stab hits, but don't take many stab hits! you can't sacrifice your country for your allias if you see your allias aren't doing anything to revert the situation)

5)A country can be forced to peace for more of 100 % in a war if 100 war points are archived. (this is obviously a crazy situation, this means a country took toooo much risk that it's now under occupation, you're dead and pray your enemies have mercy on you! 100% = your national cores under occupation too.)

6)Truce can be broken (I love this strategy, Russia uses it all the time with Poland, the secret is: why not taking -5 stab if you can get a lot of provinces of it, the enemy was defeated and you're a narrowminded-pro-serfdom pig! Stab costs nothing!)

7)Maximum of 4 countries in the same alliance (humans). This is a logical limit, but it's not determinant. having more than 2 blocks of countries will incentivate balance.

8)No armies can be sold (except provs and fleets) less than 3 provs per session, edits after session. (why not? why taking bb points to do so? then why not buying from England some sails? If i were Russia I'd love to buy sails of 70 coins each, England will have more money, and Russia will have more sails in the short run knowing it has few harvours, of course those ships have to be built first, or they should be owned by England)

9)Subs are allowed to make war (we can't say the same about agreements)

10)if your vassal is being attacked, you can force the invador to dow you, if you were defeated and you have a truce, the invador can dow your vassal with impunity (it's a right, that means a country can renounce to it if it sees it can face that aggressor, the right must be communicated publicly at the same time the vassal was dowed)

11)Compensations for being AI, specially when one is a naval country.

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Rules benefit you!: If you're part of a war, your side will pay 100 percent or less if your allias and cooperants are defeated. I think it's perfect. a 1 vs 1 war can cause a lot of damage if that war is lost. a 3vs3 (usually) losses got to be 33 percent for every country that lost the war. In any case, equal losses are difficult to asign, that's why i only refer to the 100 percent as maximum since a country can refuse agreements of more than 100 without consecuencies. What's clear here is; in a 1vs1 war, a country could lose 6 provinces, in a 3vs3 it's fair for the alliance and cooperants to lose 2 provinces each.

Exceptions:

-Stab hits are permited, so, if you're being stab hitted and you accept, then you're betraying your alliance to get a quick peace agreement (aint part of the 100) and the war goes on.

-If you, instead, prefer to talk and agree an alliance-peace resolution (it is preferable) your allias will love to count with you in a come back later on.

-These rules are set to improve diplomacy. Let's say you're a cooperant (opportunist) in a war and you see the alliance you're supporting is being defeated, then you may prefer to set a global agreement if a peace resolution is set to not stay alone in the near future.

-Players usually prefer to stab hit and get a peace of 50% - 60%, so i'd take these rules as extreme situations. Remember if you're -100 war points in a war you may lose more than 6 provs. be careful!

-Diplomatic failures: if you're an opportunist country and you see the alliance you're helping lost, you might keep alone, so pay attention, Damnit! If you see you can hurt your enemy as opportunist you may take the chance, don't let the alliance you symphatize get 100 and you 0 for being sissy! If you're part of an alliance, you might suggest the leader to invite you to a war, "i want some" or not "i don't want to get hurt" Be careful! if your leader lost, you may be dowed if Cassus belli is owned by the winner. So it's preferrable to help, fight and lose 2 provs (case of an alliance + cooperants of 3 members) than staying calm at the beginning, and lose 6 provs later, why? well, your exhausted leader may dishonor to save your ass! Don't be so Sure about things, Smarty! etc... :D

Session played: Last Saturday 12th 17:00 Cet till 21:00 Cet. The Organizer: Javier (Pibe)

Time:
On Saturdays from 17.00 CET (16.00 GMT) to 21.00 CET (20.00 GMT)

Year/Scenario: 1700/Peter's age of exploration (1492) scenario
Link for the latest 111a

GM: Pibe

Host: Drake

Stats

Players and Nations list:

England: Cheecho
Sweden: Alfonso
France: Drake
Russia: Pibe
Austria: Mulliman
Spain: Carmagnola
Ottoman Empire: Moredhel
Brandenburg: Zeit
Holland: Corvin

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I'll need some players today, feel free to search for new perms/subs
 
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please, confirm who's playing today. just to know how many ppl i have to invite. 4,5 hours for our session.
 
Javier (Pibe) said:
please, confirm who's playing today. just to know how many ppl i have to invite. 4,5 hours for our session.

<-----confirming france
 
Confirming Venice
 
:rolleyes:
 
Where did you people go? Please contact me by ICQ if you rehost once more.
 
Hmmm... Are you all logged out of ICQ? I do not see you ...

Sorry.
 
Holland will be edited, money, some troops and a decent fleet, and sliders.
 
Would England mind accounting for its most recent actions? What is her goal (what is she trying to achieve), and why did she attack poor Venice?

Looking forward for an answer.

Gak.
 
To Spain: We are willing to buy Guangdong.
 
3 reasons for dow.

1 - dont like embargo
2 - dont like your alliance (too big)
3 - dont like your religion

demmands - lift of embargo and 1000 comtensation for lost earnings. Demmands will inrease though as soon as this war starts costing money. If you really drag it out then i may start asking for provs.
 
cheech said:
3 reasons for dow.

1 - dont like embargo
2 - dont like your alliance (too big)
3 - dont like your religion

demmands - lift of embargo and 1000 comtensation for lost earnings. Demmands will inrease though as soon as this war starts costing money. If you really drag it out then i may start asking for provs.


I think everyone can see what these reasons are worth.
1) Isn't one free to decide with whom they want to do business or not?
2) Aren't people free to choose their friends, and to support each other in times of need?
3) Isn't this proof the devil himself is speaking through your heretic mouth?

Nay, the truth is England is just a thief who covets what belongs to others, and this war was really started just to grab Spanish colonial possessions. But with the help of the Almighty your schemes shall be thwarted. Spain wants nothing from you and makes no demands; we are no thieves. But we swear we shall stop for nothing short of England's utter humiliation. No matter how many years or how much money it takes: Spaniards prize their honor far more than gold, everyone knows that. Even if this should bring complete ruin upon ourselves, you shall have no peace from Spain until all your children cry in misery over a pile of rubble, and "England" becomes a byword for punished arrogance.

However, if you abandon your heretic ways and stop this war of pure greed before any Spanish blood is spilled, we shall show you mercy. Choose your actions wisely.

While England has revealed himself as a snake, the French king has proved to be a man of honor, 3 times already, with his words and actions. His generosity has not gone unnoticed and will not be forgotten. To start with, since no final agreement was ever reached on the fate of Portugal's former colonies, I propose that France should receive all African TP's that could trade in the Ciskei COT.
 
Carmagnola said:
I think everyone can see what these reasons are worth.
1) Isn't one free to decide with whom they want to do business or not?
2) Aren't people free to choose their friends, and to support each other in times of need?
3) Isn't this proof the devil himself is speaking through your heretic mouth?

Nay, the truth is England is just a thief who covets what belongs to others, and this war was really started just to grab Spanish colonial possessions. But with the help of the Almighty your schemes shall be thwarted. Spain wants nothing from you and makes no demands; we are no thieves. But we swear we shall stop for nothing short of England's utter humiliation. No matter how many years or how much money it takes: Spaniards prize their honor far more than gold, everyone knows that. Even if this should bring complete ruin upon ourselves, you shall have no peace from Spain until all your children cry in misery over a pile of rubble, and "England" becomes a byword for punished arrogance.

However, if you abandon your heretic ways and stop this war of pure greed before any Spanish blood is spilled, we shall show you mercy. Choose your actions wisely.

While England has revealed himself as a snake, the French king has proved to be a man of honor, 3 times already, with his words and actions. His generosity has not gone unnoticed and will not be forgotten. To start with, since no final agreement was ever reached on the fate of Portugal's former colonies, I propose that France should receive all African TP's that could trade in the Ciskei COT.

-the embargo is a good reason for war always expect a war if you embargo a trade nation
-alliance is again a relative good reason as england was irl busy alot with "balance" in europe
-and last the king of france don't consider protestants or reformed heretics anymore but poor misguided people and hopes to eventually have them see the there mistakes and return to true faith the kings point of view had great succes so far in converting back frence ;)
 
To Spain: Please send us a private mesage about Gunagdong

To England: The embargo could be lifted, but not before 1610, and then we will strictly advice England to trade soft in our CoT. If the war starts, however, neither Venice nor Spain will accept any demands from England.