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Avalanche said:
WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON!??!?!?!?
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You have explicitly stated that you look in the AAR thread and will tell me if you do not agree to an asked for edit. It is simple as that.

If you want I can give you the exact number of the post(s) where you said so?

Can you find them yourself or should I look for them? Nevermind, I looked it up. It is post 585 on page 34 in the GD thread where you say:

"-So current edits are the Siberian mess, and AAR bonuses, you wont need my confirmation, since i accept all the AARs because the few who make em, make good enough, but i DO read em all so i will tell if an absolutely crappy one appears..."

If you want me to remake the edits for the last 2-3 sessions then you go over all the asked for edits which I have done and then compile a simple list for me what I should do.
 
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No, no , NO! I said, i will tell if you if i dont agree a AAR getting an edit, an edit which is chosen from the possibilities which read at the first post, or -3bb. I would have said u something if an aar was too short and didnt deserve an edit, I didnt think im my wildest dreams that ppl would start making edit requests of their own!

And the edits are simple, it was only you, Daniel, who didnt understand the bonuses from AARs and have been making own demands, so do as i told u.

If already edited to France, remove the -5 inflation from your last aar.
Edit 2.5 inflation to france, so you should have 10.3 inflation ingame (only fair)
 
Avalanche said:
+1 stab
-5 bb
500d
-1 inflation
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It seems reasonable.
 
Avalanche said:
No, no , NO! I said, i will tell if you if i dont agree a AAR getting an edit, an edit which is chosen from the possibilities which read at the first post, or -3bb. I would have said u something if an aar was too short and didnt deserve an edit, I didnt think im my wildest dreams that ppl would start making edit requests of their own!

And the edits are simple, it was only you, Daniel, who didnt understand the bonuses from AARs and have been making own demands, so do as i told u.

If already edited to France, remove the -5 inflation from your last aar.
Edit 2.5 inflation to france, so you should have 10.3 inflation ingame (only fair)
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It is not only me that "did not understand" the bonuses. There have been several occurences of people asking for reduction of BB points. And that was not included in the official list of acknowledged edits. See post 1 in this thread. The first requests for BB reduction come in posts 33, 37, 38 and 39, all from november. Not until post 79, March 15, do you acknowledge this, and you do it only indirectly and without editing the list in post 1.

This is a fact.

As I have said above you have then stated that you read all AARs. Well, the requests for edits are to be found in the AARs. Not anywhere else. I started asking for 2% inflation instead of 0.25% since the latter obviously had become ridiculously small compared to the +2 stab increase. I then assumed that you did read the AARs as you have said you do and thus we can see that just as in the BB case you have implictly agreed to it by not objecting.

If you did not read it, then that is the root of this mess.

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I also want to stress that in post 639 page 26 in GD thread you compare the +2 stab to random events. Well there exists two -5% inflation random events (incidentally, AFAIK there exists no +2 stab events) and I therefore asked for a reduction of inflation by 5% - thereby using the approved method of conducting changes in the reward system, that is ask for something not asked before and the GM will decide if it is OK or not.

It is paramount that the info in post 1 of the GD thread and, in this case, the AAR thread, contains correct information about proper conduct. Update them!
 
1777-1794

Traitors! Entire Europe betrayed Poland! We were trying to stop Austrian/French/Spanish alliance supremacy again, but none help! Our brave soldiers died for nothing! Millions of them give their lives to defend Berlin, but we failed... Now Brandenburg is in Austrias hands and evil alliance is only more stronger.

Poland is on the edge now. Our friendship with England seems to exist only on paper. OE is unable to defend themselves, so as an ally it does not count any longer. Polish Commonwealth is again alone.

But we hope, that austrian Emperor will reconsider his decission and give back Berlin in the name of peace and long (NAP till 1820??) friendship beetwen our nations.


We will not write any report about economy, because it is in pitful state. Trade income lowered by 50% and we are unable to reach higher infrastruture technologies.

Stagnation! Stagnation in all areas! Even lazy bishops forget to send missionries to Russians and our beloved country is still constrained by heretics.

Lets just have hope before XIX century situation will brighten somewhat.


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- 5 bad boy points, please
 
The first war of the might central European alliance was a success vs the northern powers. 3 provinces transferred from FLA to SPA+FRA. AUS then decided to let POL off the hook and they escaped with 500 ducats in gold in thier pocket. However, peace was wellcome.

In the war vs the Sea powers the latter took command of the Sea and that was that. FRA had some successes and failures in Africa and SA but it was mainly SPA that had to run that war.

After just a few years peace the King of Poland was hit by megalomania and singlehandedly DOWed AUS in the hope of a 1 vs 1. However, this was not to be. FRA came their brethren's help and soon helped to reverse initial Polish gains. The most memorable battle for FRA was one in Erz where IIRC 170k polish men were annhilated by Lafayette and some 200k. 5 seconds after that battle Poland publicly declared they had lost and sued for peace. It cost them Brandenburg. A very nice MP province for Austria.

After that everyone went back to his own and POL was subbed the last years. When one inspects the save one can see that POL has rebuilt his army...

Meanwhile I believe OE must reconsider his position. Being on such low stab and having such a big area to cover means he is very very vulnerable. It's a little late to reverse sliders so that leaves only releasing of vassals as a solution. We can all expect to be stabhitted during the next few decades. However, some of us can take them better than other. It will be interesting to see what OE does...

Rumours have it that FLA has an European army of some size. That would indeed be surprising. Well, even if it exists it still needs to be seen if it is going to be used ;)

Something could also be written about SPA's purchase of 2-3 Italian provinces from AUS. The price was in the sky but my lips are sealed. Anyway, it meant AUS now has the
2nd highest number of CCs in the game, 19 vs 22 for SPA. It can also be noted that POR has only one CC, even though they need them more than anyone else.

It is interesting to speculate in the economical loss if the fleets of ENG and SPA were to fight. Each one has a little more than 1000 warships and both have good admirals in the end game. AFAIK all admirals are still alive. I predict that the prize of timber in Europe will increase skyhigh after that battle :D

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-1% inflation
 
The Years 1777 - 1794:
During these years England prospered from peace and rebuilt much of what it had lost during the Times of War. The Royal Navy was increased to un-paralled size, bigger than any fleet (albeit just) in the world. The army also saw many reforms with its size increasing by a fair bit as well, and it is planned to increase even further.

The one thing that England is lacking however is Conscription Centres and for many years now the English Treasury has been saving up for a massive scheme which will hopefully make CC's in most provinces where it can be built. After this England will truly be ready for the massive wars to come and to fully assist our waning allies on the continent against the dark forces of Fra/Aus/Spa. Their days are numbered so much is true, one in particulars definately.... :)

Now that all technologies have reached the maximum the money is pouring in, yet so is the inflation unfortunately.

Future Plans: Build cc's (lots of em!), increase navy size (slightly) and army size, maybe some forts, prepare for war:), any sub can get some instructions from lj.

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1794-17805

And so again war breakout through the world. None remember how it started and who attacked who. On the end everybody were fighting and killng each other...

For first few years Poland separated from this madness. We promised king of Netheralnds not to attack him and agreed with Emperor that Berlin should go back to Commonwealth.

But than Sejm again proclaimed our rights to Scandinavia. Poles in all farest areas of globe demand so we attack England.
We also get information, from our spies in Spain,that France is getting stronger and stronger.
There was no time to waste. We joined Spain in their efforts to stop evil France and England, and strike on Scandinavia.

Scandinavia was one big victory. We won most battles (unfortunately those which we lost costed us prince Poniatowski...) and toke all forts. England send huge 200k army to retake them, but we prepared another giant offensive, so it was only matter of time before Scandinavia will be ours.

And than disaster happened! Spies and diplomats from France forced spanish king to sign allied peace without consulting with our king. Than they use that worthless peace of paper in talks with our leaders in Scandinavia and convience them to withdraw. War was over... Poland once again was betrayed by all...

Rebuilding our diplomacy will be very difficult now. We finally improved relations with Austria and get back Berlin, but our old friend Flandres think we betrayed him by attacking England. Well, it was not exactly as it seems - Poland offered England peace many times, but red coats prefered to fight with us in Scandinavia instead use that navy and army to help Flandres. England could save his ally if they only give up 4-5 poor scandinavian provinces. But now it is only political science-fiction. Flandres are dying and silly England still keep north part of Europe.

However there is still hope. If Austria and Spain will be as kind to Flandres as it was to Poland, maybe Dutch will get back some land... Or maybe England will finally get rid of Scandinavia and give it to Flandres if do not want to surrender it to Poland?

Next 14 years will show real face of our kings, leaders and people. We can rebuild Europe and fight with honor or again dive into ocean of blood and hate.



+2 stab please
 
Daniel A said:
Nice AAR HAL. But according to the rules you can only get +1 stab for AARs now.
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Ah! I see now...

But maybe I can get +2? This AAR is so nice :)

My stabcosts are only 5000...
 
For +2 stab you must focus more on the brilliancy of France HAL :rolleyes:

To remedy this I will now give an exposition from the French point of view.

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The French alliance with SPA was more formal than cordial, but both nations respected it as long it was in force. However, the last few years SPA had left the alliance of AUS and FRA, and went on alone.

When foreign diplomats arrived in Paris with new suggestions of cooperation it sew on fertile ground.

Thus it came that in November 1795 FRA left her alliance with AUS, although relations were as cordial as they had been for the last 150 years, and entered in alliance with POR, ENG and Flanders. Then shortly afterwards, in January 1796, war was declared on SPA who invited AUS.

France was kind of betrayed by Flanders in a previous war vs Spain. In this war FRA lost around 800,000 men and Flanders 70,000 men although FRA begged Flanders to be more active. The French player had as well discussed this atter with the Flanderian player for more than a quarter of an hour but never got an apolgy. Hence before the war started France secretly informed England that FRA would do nothing to protect Flanders. This was not communicated to Flanders because FRA secretly hoped for Flanders to be destroyed as a result of her previous distasteful behaviour.

What happened was that France and Portugal easily chrushed Spain in Spain proper and America while Austria had some problems with Flanders (aided by England) and thus bought the Polish mercenary boy HAL who readily accepted and chrushed England's posessions in Scandinavia and Flanders' in Flandern. But these were secondary wars in the sense that they did not involve the alliance leaders.

It took some time for the victorious alliance to get peace with Spain. Before 1800 the 5-province rule was in effect but peace negociations drew on for so long that the magical year of 1800 was passed and thus it was now 'EU2 no limit'.

First POR managed to get peace for Andalusia; after some stab hits I believe. It was a separate peace on both parts which was a mistake, it should have been a separate peace only on Portugal's behalf. Thus it left POR in war with AUS. Or was it alliance on both parts but AUstria was out of their alliance becvause of a separate peace withh FRA before. No one knows, the EU rules in this department are quite obscure and mastered by few.

Then it took some time before FRA realised they were war leaders. LOL. But then stab hit offers were sent and SPA took the 2nd one giving ENG Cuba and some more in NA while FRA took Navarra, Guyana and the gold in Mexico. And this was alliance peace. When it became public a great roar was heard from the vicinity of Masovia "I SAID NO ALLIANCE PEACE". The king of Poland is apparently not informed about the DP slider position of Spain in combination of her vastness. Spain cannot take many stab hits as it is and wisely took the 2nd one.

Before this had happened Austria had taken the German posessions of Flanders.

The tricky to understand rules for alliance peaces ended up in peace all around except POR vs AUS and SPA vs FLA. Thus FLA and POR were chrushed and AUS snatched Andalusia from POR and SPA reduced Flanders possessions in Europe to not much more than their capital. Thus SPA succeeded in covering most of her losses.

But all of this meant that Portugal and Flanders has left the game. In the case of Flanders it is rather surprising since the player of Flandern is Avalanche/Lord Jarski, the GM of our game.

Has this ever happened before, that just because you play a lousy diplomatic game and thus lack enough true friends when it is time for the end game, you then quit your own game?

Anyhow, we now have 6 strong and mighty nations. Our sixth is OE who had one CW the last session and is on the mercy of the RNG. Playing OE with serfdom 0 and then annexing a huge Mughal imperium is toying with death as our OE player now has realised.

If these six nations will battle it out it appears the line up may be

1. SPA + AUS
2. POL + OE
3. ENG + FRA

Or will it be 3 vs 3? For example the center (ENG+AUS+FRA) vs the outer (SPA+POL+OE)?

Or will someone betray and it wil be 4 vs 2?

Or will it be everyone for himself?

No one knows, the excitement is immense. A very exiting finish of the game can be expected.

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The Years 1794 to 1805:
These were some very "active" years, war had yet again descended across Europe like a blanked trying to strangle you. And strangled many of Europe's once great nations were, especially the betrayed Flanders. England also got a nasty surprise when our once great allies, Poland, let greed blind them and join our arch-rivals in their war versus eng/por/fla/fra. When they joined England was already losing even though her allies, France and Portugal were in fact winning. England had suffered several minor, yet nonetheless embarrassing defeats to Spain in North America, and thus had made no progress versus Spain. Then the English intelligence reports told of great armies marauding our great ally Flanders, this was truly evil. So all of Englands limited resources turned to protecting Flanders which she was failing at doing, many thousands of English Redcoats fell on these, now, red with blood, fields of Flanders. And when the King looked out over his Empire and saw burning villages and towns throughout the British Isles (yes practically the whole of Britain was revolting) and saw at dismay that there were few troops left too as a result of Austria sending vast amounts of reinforcements toward Flanders which even the brilliant Redcoats could handle. At all these unpleasant events the English King decided to withdraw and try to get the British Isles back under control again, but then the truly worst thing happens - the Polish ambassador strides in and hands over a Declaration of War to the English King, who stood aghast this new turn of events. Seeing that Flanders was lost and that there was nothing left of the England to help her and with England itself in flames the king heroically orders his remaining few men to Scandinavia to try and kill as many of the traitors as possible, the King then used the remaining gold on some new mercenaries who proved their mettle in the harsh Scandinavian fields by beating several Polish armies, Poland had clear success with fighting the puny english garrisons yet they could not match the excellent field armies themselves and so before long there were no more polish armies to fight, however spies sooon reported vast amounts of men marching to help their fallen comrades. This was when England offically lost, her empire in ruins, scan fallen, her ally fallen, spain invading many english colonies and no men to counter any of this. However fate took a nice turn and Spain accepted a treaty with France which created peace between England and Aus/Spa/Pol. Although this treaty, weirdly, did not incorparate Flanders and Portugal and they were brutally bullied by the Major powers....without me and france being able to do anything.

Unfortunately the future too seems to hold only dark days for England as it must fight 2 major land powers, as France has some sort of treaty (NAP) with Austria :( and it must also fight, the still, powerful Spain both on land and at sea. England has however promised to return Flanders to its former glory (well at least to give it its Dutch provs ) back and help rebuild her in the form of giving some financial aid if needed.

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I wrote a kind of short AAR in game main thread. So here I will only say THANKS to all, once again. Great game!
 
In the last session Austria was subbed by Urko and POR by Mulliman. Great thanks to them.

FRA had since ages back a very good relation to Austria. However Urko was not that fond of FRA. Also HAL in Poland was more aggressive vs FRA. Thus this session was more serious for FRA than the previous one.

Before the war started our alliance was reorganised to make FRA the alliance leader to avoid any possibility that we would not get a favourable alliance peace and to avoid having lose end wars as we had the last session. To the astonishment of FRA several of the other nations still made separate peaces which meant they were on their own in some war after peace had been made by the alliances. That was strange but this session it worked out better for them than it did the previous session. But I have jumped in time. First we had the war.

This time FRA DOWed SPA. FLA+ENG+POR joined on the French side while AUS and POL joined on the Spanish side. Due to the weakness of POR (only owed 4 European provinces) and FLA (only owned 1 European province) it can be said to have been a 3 vs 3 war with the OE lying waiting in the bushes. The war started on Jan 1 1807.

Cicero put up a valiant resistance and was not overrun in Spain proper as he was in the previous war. This was in part because FRA had to divert great masses of men to their Northern and Eastern frontier.

However FRA also attacked in North and South America, from it's bases in Mexico and Guyana. And very fast accumulated a 99% war score vs SPA and vs the alliance. FRA then just had to wait until her alliance partners got what they wanted. After a while they begun to reach their targets and then the stab hits of SPA begun. I must say that to play SPA in the endgame vs a normal FRA is some kind of a night mare. All those leaders make it near impossible. After having played SPA once (got beaten by FRA) and FRA once (won vs SPA) in the end game I believe I understand what must be done to secure a SPA victory. However, this is not one piece of wisdom one gives away for free in an AAR ;)

Back to the story.

It was now that HAL was heard to cry out "this time there will be no alliance peace", i.e. that when SPA made alliance peace Poland would not be involved. "Hehe", I thought, "you just wait". And just about then SPA finally gave in giving FLA the COT in Bali, FRA the COTs in Sacramento and Yucatan. IIRC POR and ENG had made separate peace already. But HAL was right, I was still in war with POL beause the other guys had made separate peace with him. Devious guy that HAL, tricked my friends. :mad: :D

SPA was now down to -3 in stab and revolts all over. In fact SPA lost about 40% of their number of provinces during this session, from peace deals bust mostly from defections and declarations of independence. Really sad for Cicero to see an empire so strong and skilfully built up be ruined in just 15 years. Random leaders is really something that is needed in the game to even the odds a bit.

I offered WP to HAL but he refused. Now and then a Polish army would move in from Austria - where he had MA - and siege or capture one of my provinces, but I then just sieged it back or smashed his army into peaces. So this was really a time of relative peace but finally I decided to punish HAL for keeping me in war and thus never getting a chance to lower my WE. Hence I sent Marechal Soult with 75/0/300 to the COT in Kurland. Since I had invested in nothing else then naval tech my ships were now yellow and nice. HAL still had only naval tech 26 or so. Anyway he did not see them coming. So they landed and assaulted around, quickly upping the war score and I could deliver about 3-4 stab hits until HAL redirected his forces and pushed out my army (which incidentally was exterminated because of my slack focus on their survival).

In another phase of the war Boney went into Alsace with a good 140k army to wage battle with around 130k Polish leaderless troops. I did not put much attention to them but instead traded some. Suddenly I got the message that I had lost that battle and to my horror I saw that the army with Napoleon (and another good leader) did not exist any more. That was horrific performance by the EU RNG. Huh.

In the last 5 years not much did happen. SPA and AUS redowed but they did not accomplish much. There was one instance were a lot of provinces were captured by a cannoheavy Austrian army (some 1100 guns) but eventually the infantry was weared down and finally I attacked his 30/0/1100 with a 100/2/300 army in the plains and it was a pure pleasure seeing 2-3 years of Autrian total income being swept off the surface of the earth in a few seconds. :rofl:

Had Austria continued the policy of Drake he would not have wasted his men in fruitless attacks on FRA but instead e.g. could have beaten up OE. But the presence of Boney have been known to muddle the thinking of more players than Urko!

All in all I lost some 10 leaders this session I believe. At the end IIRC I had Bernadotte, Grouchy (both in Mexico), Bessieres and McDonald left. All other were dead. So they were well used.

FRA was most of the time on stab +3 (we were hit by at least two unhappiness among peasentry) but as the only nation in the game we had complete control of our stab costs (2.5 months full investment only to regain 1 step) and we also had an ample number of men present in the colonies. With one minor exception, when ENG kindly helped, we were never in jeopardy in France proper either. Thus the realm and well-being of our nation was never in danger.

Looking back we could at any time have set sail for the Arabic sea or India and quickly stabhitted OE (just as we did with Poland) but that was not one of our aims in the game. OE lived on the mercy of the navally supreme nations (OE only had NT 22 at the end). And finally they did something nice when they overrun warweary POL and AUS. Very smart or very opportunistic by Mephisto, depending on your point of view ;)

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I must say I liked this game very much. France must be the easiest nation to play in the game. You get so much for free: good kings, leaders, explorers, rich provinces, good MP etc.

Looking back we were very peaceful for some 100 years (between say 1650 and 1750 with only one big war int that period IIRC) but in the end we had the wars we had built up for.

I had great fun from the game and I also learned a lot of EU MP. Thank you to everyone who played in this game when I was on board. Thanks Cicero, Drake, HAL, LJ and Mephisto. And special thanks to my "true" alliance brothers the last 25 years: Dud and Eskimo! :)
 
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