Demo Questions

[Aquilegia]

Questions

-Is there any benefit in making a vassal a daimyo? If a vassal is not a daimyo they won't get too powerful (something I'd like to avoid with plots).

-How does occupation work, sometimes land goes to my vassals, sometimes to me.

-The character screen isn't optimal if you're looking for a marriage, since you can't seem to marry characters from another court who are not related to the ruler of that court. So the character screen is cluttered with people who you can't marry. Also you can't marry widows, but they still show up when searching for unmarried characters.

-How does the 'sow dissent' action work? Do you also get a message if your courtier was succesful like the 'improve relations' action?

 

[Captain Gars]

Questions

-Is there any benefit in making a vassal a daimyo? If a vassal is not a daimyo they won't get too powerful (something I'd like to avoid with plots).

If a vassal of your don't have a daimyo title he himself can't have vassals, which means he can't hold more than five provinces. So if you conquer a lot of provinces you need to hand them out to a large number of direct vassals. By having fewer direct vassals and letting the daimyos have vassals under them, you reduce the number of people who vote for clan leader, which makes it easier for you to keep them happy and make sure it's your heir who gets the votes when you die.

-How does occupation work, sometimes land goes to my vassals, sometimes to me.

It dependes who controls the siege. In the siege view there is a symbol at the top left corner which tells you this (a green star for you, a blue flag for vassals). Hover the mouse over it and the tooltip should tell you exactly who controls it and will get the province.

-How does the 'sow dissent' action work? Do you also get a message if your courtier was succesful like the 'improve relations' action?

As long as he stands in the province there are random events that can fire. Once he succeeds or fails you should get a message/event from your councillor.

 

[siis]

It dependes who controls the siege. In the siege view there is a symbol at the top left corner which tells you this (a green star for you, a blue flag for vassals). Hover the mouse over it and the tooltip should tell you exactly who controls it and will get the province.

What happens when a vassal without a daimyo title captures a second province?

 

[Captain Gars]

What happens when a vassal without a daimyo title captures a second province?

That's not a problem as every character has a demesne limit of 5. Should he however on his own capture all kori in a kuni he will automatically grab the daimyo title.

 

[unmerged(94472)]

Using the Shoni in the demo as an example:

The heir starts with no land or title. Does it make sense to give him title to part of my demesne and then make him daimyo? Because that would leave me with just one vassal to worry about, and he's my heir.

 

[unperson]

Using the Shoni in the demo as an example:

The heir starts with no land or title. Does it make sense to give him title to part of my demesne and then make him daimyo? Because that would leave me with just one vassal to worry about, and he's my heir.

As long as you have good relations with your son its a good idea imo.

 

[Aquilegia]

Thank you for your answers, played the demo some more and so far I like it a lot. : )

-How is the siege-controller determined? The first army (levies or personal retinue) arriving gets control of the siege?

-Will the 'you can only ask the father/grandfather to marry a daughter' rule be changed in a patch or will you add an option to the characterlist to filter out people who can't be married (random courtiers, widows, and orphans).

-How much honour does a vassal need to join a plot and is it possible to increase the honour of a vassal of another clan? At the moment vassals (daimyo's and others) don't get the +0.1 honour/month modifier the clan leader gets for being at peace, so a neighbouring daimyo with whom I have good relations will never join my plot. I tried gifting money but instead of increasing honour he spend it on other stuff. (Will you change the 'no-extra-honour-from-peace-for-vassals' too?)

 

[Sandam]

-How is the siege-controller determined? The first army (levies or personal retinue) arriving gets control of the siege?

the first one to arrive gets control, but if you have control of siege, and reorganize your army there, and there is you vassal "helping" you siege, he will steal control.

-How much honour does a vassal need to join a plot and is it possible to increase the honour of a vassal of another clan? At the moment vassals (daimyo's and others) don't get the +0.1 honour/month modifier the clan leader gets for being at peace, so a neighbouring daimyo with whom I have good relations will never join my plot. I tried gifting money but instead of increasing honour he spend it on other stuff. (Will you change the 'no-extra-honour-from-peace-for-vassals' too?)

thats interesting i would like to know this too

 

[unmerged(368787)]

Can you tell me how to make one of your vassals clan leaders? Lets say Im playing for ouichi and I want sugi to become clan leader is there any way to do it ? And if I make it will my teritory be renamed to suki ?

 

[Captain Gars]

Can you tell me how to make one of your vassals clan leaders? Lets say Im playing for ouichi and I want sugi to become clan leader is there any way to do it ? And if I make it will my teritory be renamed to suki ?

Only direct vassals of the same dynasty are eligible to become clan leaders. Vassals of another dynasty who aspire to lead their own clan must leave to form their own, either trough the diplomatic option or through plotting.

 

[unmerged(368787)]

Than one more question: in full game can we start playing as vassal ?

 

[Captain Gars]

Than one more question: in full game can we start playing as vassal ?

Yes. You can start playing as any landed character, from smallest one-kori kokujin to the clan leader of the mighty Hosokawa or Yamana.

 

[unmerged(94472)]

As long as you have good relations with your son its a good idea imo.

I tried this - made my son Daimyo of Hizen. But all the Kokujin remained my vassals, instead of becoming his. Is this a bug or WAD?

 

[Captain Gars]

I tried this - made my son Daimyo of Hizen. But all the Kokujin remained my vassals, instead of becoming his. Is this a bug or WAD?

Kokujins aren't directly connected to daimyo titles, and thus does not transfer when you give the daimyo title away. If you want to give your son land, give him kokujin titles. The daimyo title give him the right to have his own vassals which means he can expand beyond the five province demesne limit.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

So in theory, if all Kunis are fragmented into different owners who are not in vassalage, there could be no Daimyos?

 

[Julyan]

So in theory, if all Kunis are fragmented into different owners who are not in vassalage, there could be no Daimyos?

There are few 1 kori kunis whose owners would be daimyos.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

There are few 1 kori kunis whose owners would be daimyos.

Doh, I actually knew that. There is the westernmost island already in play in the demo

 

[Captain Gars]

So in theory, if all Kunis are fragmented into different owners who are not in vassalage, there could be no Daimyos?

If for instance a clan loses a daimyo title because all their koris in the kuni gets conquered, but not all of them are conquered by the same clan, no one ends up holding that daimyo title.

 

[speakeasy]

Hmm maybe I'm just a thick as a brick (Jethro Tull!!), but as far as I understand it you get the daimyo title when you or your direct vassals with the kokujin title hold all of the koris in the kuni. In my last game, after I had conquered a clan and subjugated it's former leader he still kept his daimyo title even though he and his kokujin vassal held just two of the five koris of the kuni.

I read somewhere that the battle system of the game would have some differences compared to EU3. Heard something about there being flanks and center, but at least in the demo it's the same ol' same ol'.

Demo is definitely interesting, but not sure if I'm buying it just yet.

 

[Captain Gars]

Hmm maybe I'm just a thick as a brick (Jethro Tull!!), but as far as I understand it you get the daimyo title when you or your direct vassals with the kokujin title hold all of the koris in the kuni. In my last game, after I had conquered a clan and subjugated it's former leader he still kept his daimyo title even though he and his kokujin vassal held just two of the five koris of the kuni.

Well if you subjugate them they will not give up their titles. Thats's part of the deal. Had you and your vassals conquered all of their provinces and no other clan would hold a kori in the kuni, you would have gotten the daimyo title.

I read somewhere that the battle system of the game would have some differences compared to EU3. Heard something about there being flanks and center, but at least in the demo it's the same ol' same ol'.

No the flanks are a new system in CKII. But there are some differences compared to EUIII. Different terrain give different frontage, or combat width, in a battle. Plus units with firearms, arquebusiers, work a little bit different. See the warfare dev diary for more information.