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jordarkelf said:
What a weird statement. Without the Polish millitary might, the Turk would have conquered Vienna and Europe would have been suffering under the iron fist of islam, so we'd still be in the middle ages today.
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Ohh boy, please do yourself a favor and do a bit more studying before making crazy statements like that. For someone so involved in this game you don't appear to have much background knowledge of the era. :eek:o
 
Joe Public said:
Ah, but don't forget that the "iron fist of Islam" was at the time much more enlightened than anywhere in western Europe.
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Nonsense. They were more scientifically enlightened, but they kept hordes of slaves, treated women even worse than Europeans did (which is pretty freaking awful), they made a regular practice out of killing people who were not even criminals (Damascus steel was tempered in part by being thrust into the body of a slave), and spread their faith even more violently (with the exception of Isabella in Spain).

I wouldn't say anyone in that period was particularly "enlightened."
 
Pellucid said:
Nonsense. They were more scientifically enlightened, but they kept hordes of slaves, treated women even worse than Europeans did (which is pretty freaking awful), they made a regular practice out of killing people who were not even criminals (Damascus steel was tempered in part by being thrust into the body of a slave), and spread their faith even more violently (with the exception of Isabella in Spain).
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You know, I'm reading an account of the First Crusade. The violence is shocking, even for a military campaign. The Tafurs literally boiled people alive at Ma'arra. OTOH, the Moslems tended to let their Christian and Jewish subjects alone, so long as they remained loyal.

Those Christians and Jews were more frightened by the Catholic conquest of Jerusalem than relieved. The christians might have welcomed the Byzantines, but Catholic Frenchmen who fought alongside the Tafurs were a different kettle of fish entirely.

In Europe slavery basically still existed -- serfdom has advantages over enslavement, but not many.

Nick
 
Nick B II said:
OTOH, the Moslems tended to let their Christian and Jewish subjects alone, so long as they remained loyal.
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Needs moar Reconquista history lessons. :p The Reconquista and the following Inquisition were a backlash against the poor treatment of Iberian Christians at the hands of the Moors (although the Moors treated the Jews better than the Christians under the Inquisition treated them by a long shot).
 
Especially as Pellucid's arguments seem highly controversial to me... ;)

Please go in the History forums,

thanks,

Cat
 
Rob de Hard said:
1. Why has it been decided that conquering pagans/muslims makes you gain BB?? That's not realistic, in reality the Pope would be absolutely delighted. In fact the Deutscher Ritterorden exhisted for that sole purpose.
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I strongly disagree - and in fact if you look at what happens the Pope is delighted: your piety goes up. All your vassals are pleased that you've defeated the pagans: your prestige goes up. Both of these make your vassals more loyal and help you 'do more stuff'. You temporarily (as BB slowly falls off) get a bad side - but this reflects that people are seeing you as becoming more powerful and dangerous as your lands increase. If I'm living in Bohemia, do I feel safer because Poland just doubled or tripled in size? I think not...

On these forums I see that some people think that putting pagan babies on spits was somehow 'the thing to do' in the middle ages and it was fine because it they're not Christians. Well, the times were very brutal indeed but not quite a cartoon vision of 'anything goes against the heathens'.

Have fun
Finn
 
Ok on a less controversial note..

I am delighted with DLV.

Played it at my brothers house today and was still there for breakfast this morning .

Engrossed. So unlike the original ..

Excellent.

I especially enjoyed it when the Duke of Aquitaine _offered_ himself as my vassal.

The fact he had 5 other dukedoms and 2/3 rd's of France as his feif was sensational, nay, sexual.

King of France cost me 1000 prestige but well worth it. :)

The only criticism I have of DLV as with CK is this:

Paradox, please, oh for the mercy of God, come up with a better way of handling notifications in-game.

It gets amazingly busy when you haver a 75 province empire or more. I often just click on stuff to make it go away without reading it ..

How about having the messages appear as little beads (and I mean small) in a row along the bottom of the game window, above the log instead of popping up all over the place?

Also, I am having problems differentiating my units when full scale conflicts kick off, something that would be solved by always displaying the yellow under-marker on my unit tabs or by giving them my faction flag as a banner or something.

And finally ..

Would it be possible to 'put to death' traitors or in some way re-allocate their demense when you conquer them without seizing their title first? I find that when your ruler picks up some bad boy traits the game becomes almost constant rebellions by the same characters who don't like you. Short of taking their titles away in war or revoking them, I can't seem to stop the endless cycle of rebellion, paification, vassalage, rebellion etc.

I know it might be religious, but treason was a serious crime no? It would be cool if I could sling these repeat offenders in the dungeon somehow and have an event that lets me simply try them, legitimately, and condemn them legally. No BB. Maybe intruige based?
 
Hey. At least the tech notifications are gone. ;)
 
Rob de Hard said:
Ok on a less controversial note..
Would it be possible to 'put to death' traitors or in some way re-allocate their demense when you conquer them without seizing their title first? I find that when your ruler picks up some bad boy traits the game becomes almost constant rebellions by the same characters who don't like you. Short of taking their titles away in war or revoking them, I can't seem to stop the endless cycle of rebellion, paification, vassalage, rebellion etc.

I know it might be religious, but treason was a serious crime no? It would be cool if I could sling these repeat offenders in the dungeon somehow and have an event that lets me simply try them, legitimately, and condemn them legally. No BB. Maybe intruige based?
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I think that would make the situation a little too easy. When I have rebellious vassals, it's usually (also) caused by personality issues. If that is part of the cause, then you'll never get along, and you'll be forces to subdue him again and again. Better to defeat your vassal, revoke his titles and give out his land to someone else. :)
 
Does this ever happen...?

Has anyone experienced any of the following:

1 - A liege offers you (his loyal subject) land/title?

2 - A liege offers you his daughter for you/heir?


Thanks for the responses in advance :D


PS Can you change a name of a character in-game?

BTW, I LOVE CK and the DV Expansion
 
No to both.
 
I have been raised to a Duke a few times, other than that no..
 
English Patriot said:
I have been raised to a Duke a few times, other than that no..
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Easy enough to script in though surely?

I dunno how this game works, not having looked, but given the relative amount of noise people make about certain aspects of the game, there isn't a lot of modding or fixing going around, on these forums at least?

Scripting an event can't be too hard, unless its hard coded, which I doubt.

Just find out what format the trigger takes and write the script/s.

For the above, all you need is a random event taking into consideration aspects such as your character's age, loyalty etc. Or if you get seriously wounded for the cause etc etc etc.

No end of fun triggers ..
 
I'm now dealing with a super-Leon. Germany broke up and all the dukes pledged to far away kings. Leon, England and Sweden where the big winners in the Germany lottery. Leon gained Venice and Sweden a very large Bavaria. (larger than Sweden) I'm the King of Jerusalem, starting as the Duke of Flanders with 900 prestige why won't any of them pledge to me? Why not the Dutch dukes at least. What can I do to fix this? The odd liege fix works too slow what else can I do, it's ruining an otherwise fine game.
 
Rob de Hard said:
Easy enough to script in though surely?

I dunno how this game works, not having looked, but given the relative amount of noise people make about certain aspects of the game, there isn't a lot of modding or fixing going around, on these forums at least?

Scripting an event can't be too hard, unless its hard coded, which I doubt.
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Better check the Modification subforum before saying such stuff would be a wise thing ;)

All those things can't be scripted
 
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