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No worries. I forgot to send in my retreat orders which delayed the turn, so it’s not just you.
Okay I don't know why I only just read this... You are right, @CaptainGrimlock you cannot retreat to Northumbria, please send new orders ^^ Should have noticed earlier, the werewolf game has been taking my main attention on nights.
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Burgundy:
Burgundy: A cal Supports A par -> nmd
Burgundy: A can -> dau
Burgundy: A dij Supports A can -> dau
Burgundy: F lon Supports A cal
Support cut by Move from Anglia.
Burgundy: F nth -> min
Burgundy: F sco Supports F nth -> min
England:
England: A ang -> lon
Bounced with lon (1 against 1).
England: A ara Supports F bis -> guy
England: F bis -> guy
England: A brt Supports A nmd
Support cut by Move from Guyenne.
Dislodged from guy (3 against 1).
England: F min -> iri
England: A nmd Holds
Dislodged from par (2 against 1).
France:
France: A anj Supports A guy -> brt
France: A guy -> brt
France: A lim -> tou
France: A orl Supports A guy -> brt
France: A par -> nmd
Burgundy: A cal Supports A par -> nmd
Burgundy: A can -> dau
Burgundy: A dij Supports A can -> dau
Burgundy: F lon Supports A cal
Support cut by Move from Anglia.
Burgundy: F nth -> min
Burgundy: F sco Supports F nth -> min
England:
England: A ang -> lon
Bounced with lon (1 against 1).
England: A ara Supports F bis -> guy
England: F bis -> guy
England: A brt Supports A nmd
Support cut by Move from Guyenne.
Dislodged from guy (3 against 1).
England: F min -> iri
England: A nmd Holds
Dislodged from par (2 against 1).
France:
France: A anj Supports A guy -> brt
France: A guy -> brt
France: A lim -> tou
France: A orl Supports A guy -> brt
France: A par -> nmd
As I expected, unless Dedonus was lying. I talked with Panzer a bit in private, but I think Burgundy starts in the strongest position to win the game, and that the small size of the game with only three players creates a very different situation compared to regular Diplomacy.
I have also read that Burgundy starts out with the strongest position to win the game when I was preparing for the game.
Where the game went wrong was Fall 1425. I told England to do the following moves:
Fleet Anglia move the Wash
Fleet English Channel move Strait of Dover
Army Brittany move Guyenne
I told Grimlock that it would be pointless to head to Scotland right away, as it would take 3 turns for him to get a build from it. This move, instead, would prevent Burgundy from building two fleets unless Aedan sent his Fleet Holland into Friesland. But whatever you told him, Aedan, he didn't trust me, and did his own thing. Then England disbanded one of his fleets.
And I can get why Grimlock stabbed me after we took Calais (two empty centers right on his borders, although if I had stayed with my original orders, I would have kept both with self-bonces), but what I don't get is giving support into Calais. If Grimlock's "Christmas" scenario was to capture both Toulouse and Orleanais (to go up to 7 supply centers), why would he allow Burgundy to get Calais back? If Calais had stayed in my position, then Burgundy would have had to disband one of his fleets. The only way that would not have happened is if Burgundy and France would have teamed up against England in that specific scenario.
Anyways, thanks for running the game, @PanzerCorps. And good games to both @aedan777 and @CaptainGrimlock.
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Yeah those would have been better for him, though also committing England somewhat heavily against Burgundy. As for what I told him, it wasn't much, though I did say that based on Spring turn that you had held to your deal with me more than your deal with him, perhaps making him distrust you more? Him disbanding his English Channel fleet was also weird since it meant none of his remaining units could support each other.
I was pretty surprised myself when Grimlock out of the blue came to off to support me back into Calais after you two worked together to take it from me. It makes a bit more sense if you recall that at that point I had two navies outside London and, if I'd wanted to, could have taken it easily. His deal to support me required me not to take London, which wasn't a terrible deal for him. It might have been better for him if he'd lied about the support, though that would've had consequences of its own.
Even after that the game was still not determined, with England technically having as many SCs as Burgundy (though England had a host of strategic weaknesses). Had England built in Devon instead of Castile, and had France not effectively ceded the game to Burgundy, the game would've lasted longer than 1427, and Burgundian victory might not have happened.
Yeah, I made a lot of strategic and diplomatic errors didn’t I. Well, if at first you don’t succeed...
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