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After many tries, Naples continues to decline peaceful annexation by Spain (1505, grand campaign).

Is there a prohibition that is not indicated in the diplomacy menu? IE, vassalization, years and relationship are all required, and so prohibit you from sending a diplomat. Is there some other requirement that doesn't stop the diplomat from going (and being wasted)? Or is it simply a case of a tiny maximum chance of success to begin with?

So far, this has made peaceful diplomacy pretty disappointing....
 
Does proximity matter?

I noticed in your examples you had shared borders; Stafan's FAQ raises the question about whether that is an undocumented requirement for success. So the question still remains.

And my monarch diplo skill is 4, on easy. Surely there should be at least some chance, given that it's not a skill of 1 or 2.

Anyone else have any success peacefully annexing a non-bordering country?
 
AFAIK, you have to have a common border. However, if you have not, the option to annex is not made available at all.

In your example, you tried but did not succeed ? If so, try again... It's the only way.
 
You do _not_need a common border to attempt

So this sounds like a bug. The game certainly did not hesitate allowing me to send my diplomats over and over from Spain to Naples, which clearly have no border in Common. (Again, for reference, US release.)

Frankly, the annexation rule requiring a common border seems arbitrary and inappropriate. How then could you ever peacefully annex Corsica? Or the Knights, etc. etc. etc.

This is a wonderful game; this rule, however, is exactly the wrong sort: it not only eliminates a great variety of more-or-less historical options, but it most especially eliminates the desirable counter-historical options, i.e. a parallel universe in which a monarch makes different choices than in the one we live in. Under this rule, ergo, no peaceful Spain, since no one borders it but major powers (and Navarra which hardly counts).

Finally, the fact that the diplomat is allowed to be sent smacks of afterthought: clearly, when the program was in development, this rule was not in effect. The lack of documentation supports this interpretation.

I hope Paradox will consider eliminating this restriction, and if that is unacceptable, at least clamping down on the inconsistency in the diplomatic menu.
 
Common Borders / Annexation

But Spain & Naples DO have a common border. They own islands in the sea zone next to Naples so they are, technically, adjacent. This most certainly isn't a bug or else, as you say, how would islands be annexed?

As far as chances go, in my GC game as Spain, I couldn't get the Papal States to agree to a Royal Marriage in over 5 attempts even though relations were at +200 & we were in the same alliance. It seems pretty much down to luck, rather like militarily annexed countries with a 3% revolt chance managing to revolt month after month even though they are crushed each time.
 
Batchelor Pope

AAh, but surely the royal marriage is between important people in the country otherwise my King would be burnt at the steak for bigamy (what is it called when you have 6 wives??).
If it's coded in that the PS won't agree to a marriage then they can never be annexed - annoying as I own most of Italy ..

I couldn't get the Papal States to agree to a Royal Marriage

AFAIK neighter the pope or people close to him marry, ever. Some religious hoopla =)
 
Patric or Johan, could you clarify?

Patric, Johan, could you tell us for sure? Are there undocumented limitations or prohibitions on marriages and peaceful annexation? Are there countries that don't marry at all? Does peaceful annexation require a shared border? If so, do islands, etc. count as having a border if they share a sea zone? And if one of this activities is prohibited, can diplomats be sent (and wasted) anyway?

I would be grateful for an official interpretation, since no one else seems to have a firm explanation. Many thanks.
 
AAh, but surely the royal marriage is between important people in the country

Yes, and what profession do you think these important people do for a living in the Papal states ?
They quite often go to church, I'll give you that, but never to get married.

=)
 
Stefan, is the manual wrong about the PStates?

We all know the Pope doesn't marry; but the manual specifically mentions that the Papal States do conduct royal marriages.

Is the manual wrong? Does the game actually prevent the Papal States from participating in royal marriages?
 
I've tried a few times and also sofar haven't seen anyone say they managed to get a RM with the Papal states, ever.

If it is absolutely impossible or just very very hard, I don't know, but your welcom to try it out for yourself =)
 
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