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I have seen it plenty of times. At first, I thought it was just like when a missionary failed - except there was no notification. But then I heard that Johan had said that manufactories are always supposed to succeed...

But nevertheless, they don't always. It's a rare bug, but it happens. I don't know if anything in particular triggers it, and I've seen it with different types of manufactories and for different nations.
 
Does all construction finish on the 1st of a month? If so, and the above speculation is correct, we'd expect 1/12 manufacturies to fail. If not, 1/360. Should be fairly easy to set up a test either way, if someone wants to give it a go ... if it can be easily reproduced we can almost certainly get this fixed once and for all.
 
AndrewT said:
Does all construction finish on the 1st of a month? If so, and the above speculation is correct, we'd expect 1/12 manufacturies to fail. If not, 1/360. Should be fairly easy to set up a test either way, if someone wants to give it a go ... if it can be easily reproduced we can almost certainly get this fixed once and for all.
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I ran of five quick Russia 1617s, and, as well as five straight 2/19/1618 Political Crises, got five completed FAAs in Moscow. What was interesting was that only twice did I get a message to notify me of such, having at all times set the message to pop up and pause as well as log.
 
Well, in the same game I just built another fine arts academy in Muscovy, ending on January 2, and there wasn't a problem.

I plan on putting another one in Vladimir, so I'll try it on January 1st again, and post what happens.

UPDATE: I put an FAA in Kiev, instead of Vladimir, on Januray 1st, and it worked out fine.
 
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Another beautiful theory runs aground on a shoal of facts. Ah well.
 
AndrewT said:
Another beautiful theory runs aground on a shoal of facts. Ah well.
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I will be sure to make a save-game every time I start a manufactury, and another the day before it is due to be completed. This will ensure that it never happens to me again.
 
AndrewT said:
Another beautiful theory runs aground on a shoal of facts. Ah well.
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Can we read anything into to problems with the irregularity of the message and the mention in the log, perhaps that the game is getting overwhelmed Jan 1, just not enough in tests done to date?
 
I had this happen just now as well. I'm using Feb. 7th beta, AGCEEP 1.24.
Playing England, building 3 refineries in Guyenne, Gascoigne and Languedoc (and also a fortress in Northumberland), finish date for all of those was January 3th, .

Copied and pasted out of an autosave during construction:
Code: 
    city = { 
        name = "Bordeaux" 
        population = 11562.231 
        location = 424 
        bailiff = yes 
        fortress = { level = 1.000 } 
        construction = refinery 
        date = { year = 1481 month = january day = 3 } 
        } 
    city = { 
        name = "Toulouse" 
        population = 13301.909 
        location = 423 
        bailiff = yes 
        fortress = { level = 1.000 } 
        date = { year = 1481 month = january day = 3 } 
        } 
    city = { 
        name = "Montpellier" 
        population = 20380.906 
        location = 422 
        bailiff = yes 
        fortress = { level = 1.000 } 
        construction = refinery 
        date = { year = 1481 month = january day = 3 } 
        }
As you can see, no construction = refinery in the savegame for Toulouse
The one in Guyenne failed, the other two did not.

I have an autosave from one year earlier (middle of construction) if someone wants that. It's here: http://ias.dnsalias.org/autosave.zip

Hope this helps...
 
It shows only that the earlier save also has no construction in Toulouse, so whatever the bug is presumably happens at build time not completion time.

I just tried building 12 FAAs as ENG in AoR at game start (0 Jan) and all succeeded.
 
AndrewT said:
It shows only that the earlier save also has no construction in Toulouse, so whatever the bug is presumably happens at build time not completion time.
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And then there should have been no icon on the map.

Iasius: was there a "manufactory-building-in-progress"-icon in Toulouse? Can you remember 100% if there was one or not?
 
I think this thing happened to me as well, once, but it was too long ago to remember the specifics of the situation (I didn't notice my lack of a manufactory until a few years after, so I can't 100% rule out a standard manufactory burning through hostilities)...
 
I was playing Poland and all of a sudden my weapons manu in Krakow dissapeard after I saved and reloaded. :(
 
Daniel A said:
And then there should have been no icon on the map.

Iasius: was there a "manufactory-building-in-progress"-icon in Toulouse? Can you remember 100% if there was one or not?
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Yes there was, it even shows up again when I reload the autosave.

BTW, I happened again, this time Feb 1st building two refineries (Gascoigne and Languedoc) and a FAA in London, the FAA disappeared.
 
I started a spearate thread on this, but was re-drirected to this one.

I have a save game where a FAA is due to complete around April 26, 1435 in London. I have ran from a save in January 11 times now and the FAA fails to appear every time.

I have had no other issues with this particular game.

1.08 + AGCEEP 1.26.

I did edit the save game to create the FAA in London, but now I have noticed another problem. I am only receiving income as if the FAA was in a non-capital province. I absolutely assure you that London is my capital in this game. Here is the relevant section of the save game after I edited it.

city = {
name = "London"
population = 47686.516
location = 247
bailiff = yes
fortress = { level = 1.000 }
capital = yes
manufactory = luxury
date = { year = 1435 month = april day = 26 }


Please note that the only change I made was to add tha manufactory = luxury. The completion date was already in the file.

I will be happy to send the savegame to anyone who wants to take a look at it to try and figure out what is going on.
 
Sgian Dubh said:
I am only receiving income as if the FAA was in a non-capital province.
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Just checking - you do know that there are two separate monetary effects of having a FAA - one is 5d to your stability whether it's built in a capital or not, and the other is 1d per month to your income for FAA in a capital and 0.5d in another province - to see the other effect you need to check the income breakdown in a ledger?

I checked with 1.08 patch and in my games the bonus seems to be applied correctly.
 
I think I understand the effect of the FAA, but I am by no means a guru.

The entry in the ledger for Manufactories is 9 ducats.

The only manufactory (FAA) I have is in London, and London is my capital.

My expectation was that the ledger would show 12 Ducats. Is this not correct?

Thanks,

SD

Edit - I am too slow today. I was looking at the ledger for the first year - the first PARTIAL year.

Sorry to have wasted time on the income part.

SD
 
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Daniel A said:
And then there should have been no icon on the map.

Iasius: was there a "manufactory-building-in-progress"-icon in Toulouse? Can you remember 100% if there was one or not?
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A missing manufactory type I don't think, would affect that, because you always get the same little spinning wheel icon whatever you start to build.
 
No use I'm afraid, the problem happens at the time you give the order to build. What we need is a save taken from just before the build order is given, in which the problem happens every time or at least fairly often.
 
I don't know if it helps, but I paste here the thread I created before I knew the existence of this one.


Hi,

I built a Fine Arts Factory in Anglia and after the 24 months time the factory didn't appear on the map. Instead Anglia was empty from Factories, then I repaid and built again the same factory but the same thing happened.

I play the Grand Campain as English, I have version 1.08 of EU II, on a Windows 2000 SP4 machine.

Any suggestions and/or comments?
 
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