Greetings. I would like to discuss a topic bothering me for quite some time, namely the culture of the Salzburg province. I would propose to change it to Bavarian instead of Austrian, because I'm of the opinion that the culture distribution here is based on modern borders.
Although, I'm not really content with the split into Bavarian and Austrian, as the latter culture tried to distinct itself from German and also a bit from Bavarian only after the World War II. But I guess that I have to accept this design choice as such a big culture probably would not be good for gamemplay reasons. One could also argue here that the different ruling dynasties (Wittelsbach <-> Habsburg) are enough to warrant this split into two cultures. However, this argument can not be applied to Salzburg.
The general consensu seems to be that culture is (mostly) based on the following three aspects:
The first two can be used to argue for both - Austrian and Bavarian, because in both "Bairisch" is spoken. There are some minor differences between the various varieties, but then we would need a seperate culture for Tyrol+Carinthia, Styria, the Upper Palatinate, Regensburg, and maybe for every village, too. Considering them as the same is the best approach here. As for traditions an example is Salzburg's Rupertikiritag, a so called "Dult". A "Dult" is something like a fair in south-eastern Germany (mostly Bavaria). Other Dults take place for example in Regensburg, Au(Munich), Landshut, Passau, ... . I have to admit, that I don't know any (bigger) Dult in Austria (except obv. Salzburg), but maybe someone can help.
I would regard the politics as a deciding factor. Historically, Salzburg was a part of Bavaria, and the archbishops gained more and more sovereignity and independence in the 13th and 14th century. This culminated into Ortolf von Weißeneck(1343-1365) becoming the first archbishop to become prince of the HRE. Throughout nearly the whole time span of the game, Salzburg was also considered as a political part of Bavaria (-> Circle of Bavaria, this was at least considered for putting Salzburg into the Upper Bavarian territory).
During the last 15 years of the game, Salzburg was part of Austria (1805-1810, 1816-1820) and of Bavaria (1810-1815).
In total, Salzburg had a political past with Bavaria, a political presence with Bavaria (Circle of Bavaria) and only a common future (last few years, but mostly out of the game's time) with Austria.
What do you think? Which is the more suitable culture for Salzburg? Maybe even someone from the team (@Trin Tragula ) can explain the reasoning behind Salzburg being Austrian?
Although, I'm not really content with the split into Bavarian and Austrian, as the latter culture tried to distinct itself from German and also a bit from Bavarian only after the World War II. But I guess that I have to accept this design choice as such a big culture probably would not be good for gamemplay reasons. One could also argue here that the different ruling dynasties (Wittelsbach <-> Habsburg) are enough to warrant this split into two cultures. However, this argument can not be applied to Salzburg.
The general consensu seems to be that culture is (mostly) based on the following three aspects:
- language
- traditions
- politics
The first two can be used to argue for both - Austrian and Bavarian, because in both "Bairisch" is spoken. There are some minor differences between the various varieties, but then we would need a seperate culture for Tyrol+Carinthia, Styria, the Upper Palatinate, Regensburg, and maybe for every village, too. Considering them as the same is the best approach here. As for traditions an example is Salzburg's Rupertikiritag, a so called "Dult". A "Dult" is something like a fair in south-eastern Germany (mostly Bavaria). Other Dults take place for example in Regensburg, Au(Munich), Landshut, Passau, ... . I have to admit, that I don't know any (bigger) Dult in Austria (except obv. Salzburg), but maybe someone can help.
I would regard the politics as a deciding factor. Historically, Salzburg was a part of Bavaria, and the archbishops gained more and more sovereignity and independence in the 13th and 14th century. This culminated into Ortolf von Weißeneck(1343-1365) becoming the first archbishop to become prince of the HRE. Throughout nearly the whole time span of the game, Salzburg was also considered as a political part of Bavaria (-> Circle of Bavaria, this was at least considered for putting Salzburg into the Upper Bavarian territory).
During the last 15 years of the game, Salzburg was part of Austria (1805-1810, 1816-1820) and of Bavaria (1810-1815).
In total, Salzburg had a political past with Bavaria, a political presence with Bavaria (Circle of Bavaria) and only a common future (last few years, but mostly out of the game's time) with Austria.
What do you think? Which is the more suitable culture for Salzburg? Maybe even someone from the team (@Trin Tragula ) can explain the reasoning behind Salzburg being Austrian?
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. Yet, I don't know what one could add to the argumentation, as I have the gut feeling that