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Austria should not get Slovak or Czeck for inheriting Bohemia.
They shouldn't get Slovak because Bohemia has NO SLOVAK provinces. Slovak should be gained through the inheritance of Hungary.
They should get Czeck from event 3196 The Edict of Restitution.
They should only get Magyar if they choose c in event 3332 The Chastening of Hungary. The Hapsburgs didn't get the full support of the Magyars, that's why it became the Austrian-Hungary empire.
Ottomans probably shouldn't get albanian unless they convert it to islam first.
 
Originally posted by Crook
I would drop armenian too, btw. The area was contested too, and considering 19-20 centuries masacres, it might cause an unwanted response.
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Like Kurdish, my personal feeling is to leave Armenian in for game balance reasons; I have yet to see the Ottomans have anything remotely near their historical success.
Actually, Persia should get more than just persian, a lot of Georgians were in their service, and I think Ismail (or maybe some other shah) was married to a Georgian princess. They shouldn't start with it obviously, but gain it at some point if they control Georgia. I might script smth like that and post here if there is interest.
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Consider me interested. :)
Also, as starting point for discussion:
  • There's an orphaned 1419_per.inc file, that starts them with a single province (Tabaristan) and Persian and Baluchi state cultures.
  • 1617_per.inc, 1700_per.inc, 1773_per.inc, and 1795_per.inc all have Persia with Persian and Arabic state cultures.
As usual, I'm ignorant of the historical situation, but if either or both of these is plausible, they could be added in either the Persian setup event (3998 in extragc.txt) or something new.
 
Like Kurdish, my personal feeling is to leave Armenian in for game balance reasons; I have yet to see the Ottomans have anything remotely near their historical success.
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I always see them conquer those provinces, and armenian is just in one province (not very historical), but why will it balance the game? They maybe lose 2 ducats a year or so by not having the culture.
 
Originally posted by Crook
However, my concern is that Dobrudja and Rumelia will defect to either Moldavia or Poland, which they really shouldn't.
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Ok Dobrudja is Romanian, Bulgaria and Rumelia is Slavonic. Should they have slavonic or romanian from the start? Or both?
Originally posted by Crook
I would drop armenian too, btw. The area was contested too, and considering 19-20 centuries masacres, it might cause an unwanted response.
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Ok taken, even if Korath disagrees
Originally posted by Crook Actually, Persia should get more than just persian, a lot of Georgians were in their service, and I think Ismail (or maybe some other shah) was married to a Georgian princess. They shouldn't start with it obviously, but gain it at some point if they control Georgia. I might script smth like that and post here if there is interest.
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Won't include EEP events in table.

Re Ugric not going to change province cultures here.

Originally posted by RepublicofGenoa
Slovak should be gained through the inheritance of Hungary.
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ok point taken
Originally posted by RepublicofGenoa
They should only get Magyar if they choose c in event 3332 The Chastening of Hungary. The Hapsburgs didn't get the full support of the Magyars, that's why it became the Austrian-Hungary empire.
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The AI is no going to choose alternative c, maybe the beta alternatives are different from the release I don't know.
Originally posted by RepublicofGenoa
Ottomans probably shouldn't get albanian unless they convert it to islam first.
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I agree with you on principle here, but it is not possible to do this without a new event. I am only interested in using existing events, none exists for this case so therefore the need to include them from the conquest of Byzantium.

Originally posted by Lambert Simnel
Like BRI, both NAV and LUX can become France, so the Crown of France events for these two nations should, like that suggested for BRI, add French culture.
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Will add them to the list
 
Version 0.252
Ottoman reset to beta original minus arabic
Added The Edict of Restitution to Habsburgs and The Chastening of Hungary, fixed Slovak problem
added events according to Dracleath's suggestions
Karaman Empire reduced to Turkish only on Korath's suggestion
Code: 
initial BYZ culture Greek
event 3833 a -> get Italian #Church Union
           b -> get slavonic romanian
event 3834 a -> lose italian gain slavonic romanian#Leave Church Union
           b -> nothing 

initial TUR culture turkish greek slavonic 
event 3371 -> get Arabic #The Sultan become 'Khalifa'#
event 3372 -> get Arabic #Vassalisation of Algeria
event 3398 a,b -> lose arabic #The Independence of the Mameluks in Egypt#
event 3750 a -> get romanian syrian albanian#Fate of the Patriarchate# 
           b -> get romanian
           c -> get nothing

event 3399 a,b -> lose slavonic #Serbian Independence#

initial HAB cultures german 
event 3184 -> get magyar and Slovak#The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary#
event 3185 -> get magyar and Slovak#The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary#
event 3186 a ->get magyar and Slovak#The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary#
           b -> get nothing
event 3332#The Chastening of Hungary#
a ->get magyar 
b ->lose magyar 
c ->get magyar 
event 3733 -> get Czech #The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia# (inheritance)
event 3187 -> get Czech #The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia# (vassalisation)
event 3196 both alternatives -> get Czech #The Edict of Restitution#

initial BRI culture gaelic
event 3601 a -> get french #The Crown of France#

initial LUX culture german
event 3604 a -> get french #The Crown of France#

initial NAV culture basque
event 3589 a -> get french #The Crown of France#

BUR Dutch French
POM German
GRA Arabic Berber
KAR turkish
 
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Originally posted by Korath

Has anyone ever seen this event happen? I've not, and the event that triggers it, 3651 in major_ald.txt, has a trigger of leader=0001. No such leader seems to exist.
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beta has:
Code: 
trigger = {
	exists = TUR
	leader = 08592
	}
 
The arabic culture one would probably go better with the event where the ottomans declare themselves caliph, event 3371 (as a side note, this event needs a longer time period, maybe 1517-1600 or something like that. The ottomans very rarely actually take over the mameluks by 1517, even in the 1492 scenario where they start immediately.)

On the other side of things, during the "sick man of Europe" phase when the Ottoman empire is declining, they should probably lose a few of those cultures. A few thoughts/options:

Event 3399: Serbian uprising. Should lose slavonic and romanian if choice A is chosen (grant serbia independance)

Event 3398: Independance of the mameluks, should lose arabic if choice A is chosen (grant mameluks independance).

Oh, also, is it really neccessary to give the habsburgs magyar and czech culture twice, in both the inheritance events and later on? Just one or the other should probably be fine.
 
Originally posted by Dracleath
Oh, also, is it really neccessary to give the habsburgs magyar and czech culture twice, in both the inheritance events and later on? Just one or the other should probably be fine.
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I see no harm in giving a couple of ways of getting a culture for great powers that otherwise would have them anyway. The Habsburgs will need it anyway. The triggers seemed to be different as well.


Originally posted by Dracleath
The arabic culture one would probably go better with the event where the ottomans declare themselves caliph, event 3371 (as a side note, this event needs a longer time period, maybe 1517-1600 or something like that. The ottomans very rarely actually take over the mameluks by 1517, even in the 1492 scenario where they start immediately.)
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I'll add it as well to the Ottomans

Originally posted by Dracleath
Event 3399: Serbian uprising. Should lose slavonic and romanian if choice A is chosen (grant serbia independance)
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Both look unlikely to endear the Ottomans to romanians and the slavonians, I'll put a remove on both alternatives.

Originally posted by Dracleath
Event 3398: Independance of the mameluks, should lose arabic if choice A is chosen (grant mameluks independance).
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Both look unlikely to endear the Ottomans to the arabs, I'll put a remove on both alternatives.
 
I see no harm in giving a couple of ways of getting a culture for great powers that otherwise would have them anyway. The Habsburgs will need it anyway. The triggers seemed to be different as well.
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Oh, ok, I see, one would be based on diplomatically getting the provinces through events, the other would be availible if you militarilly conquered them but would come much later. That's good then. The only reason I was concerned about it was that I remembered a bug from an earlier version where if you gave a country a culture it already had it would appear twice in the list or something like that(I remember it showing up with the timurids when they gained mongol), but after a quick test it's apparently been fixed so that's not a problem.
 
Originally posted by Korath
I don't know that Karaman needs anything but Turkish, to match all three of its starting provinces. I don't know that it much matters, though, since they tend to get gobbled by the Ottomans fairly quickly.
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I think they were in because they could become the ottomans or someone had that plan, no such events exists AFAIK. I'll edit them in as Turkish.
 
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