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TheLand said:
Difficult to see how the Second Punic War would have worked out if provinces had "flipped" just by being occupied for a while.

Some parts of Italy were under Carthaginian control for a decade.

Too true, perhaps a longer time limit, or perhaps a stability trigger too, say it only happens when one side is at -3 and has lost those provinces for say 10-20 years, he may be forced into peace?
 
TheLand said:
Difficult to see how the Second Punic War would have worked out if provinces had "flipped" just by being occupied for a while.

Some parts of Italy were under Carthaginian control for a decade.
That's why, in my particular set of events, the culture and so on is taken into account. For a Roman cultured province to flip from Rome to Carthage, it would take about 33 years on average. If that province were also a core of Rome but not Carthage, it would double that, to about 66 years average. On the other hand, if Rome were taking a Roman province from Carthage, it would take about 3 years, and half that if it were a Roman core.
 
English Patriot said:
Too true, perhaps a longer time limit, or perhaps a stability trigger too, say it only happens when one side is at -3 and has lost those provinces for say 10-20 years, he may be forced into peace?
30 years, an some things could modify this (ruler charisma, wits, civ rating of province, faith (different of yours or not)


this should then fire between 15 and 45 years, average should be around 20
 
TheLand said:
Difficult to see how the Second Punic War would have worked out if provinces had "flipped" just by being occupied for a while.

Some parts of Italy were under Carthaginian control for a decade.

Some of the south Italian provinces did "flip" and support Hannibal. In game terms the difference between occupied and owned is that you don't get taxes of manpower from occupied provinces. In real life taxes were often collected from occupied provinces and Hannibal got a lot of troops from southern Italy so as long as the Romans are able to regain the southern Italian provnces after the war I don't see a problem with them being owned by Carthage during the war. If provinces that are core and have the same religion and culture as your nation switch sides very quickly it shouldn't be a problem for Rome to regain such areas.

Edit: A twenty year average would in my opinion be way too long since hardly any wars during this period lasted that long.
 
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that_sweed said:
Some of the south Italian provinces did "flip" and support Hannibal. In game terms the difference between occupied and owned is that you don't get taxes of manpower from occupied provinces. In real life taxes were often collected from occupied provinces and Hannibal got a lot of troops from southern Italy so as long as the Romans are able to regain the southern Italian provnces after the war I don't see a problem with them being owned by Carthage during the war. If provinces that are core and have the same religion and culture as your nation switch sides very quickly it shouldn't be a problem for Rome to regain such areas.

Edit: A twenty year average would in my opinion be way too long since hardly any wars during this period lasted that long.

Hmm, yes, I suppose so.

I think something that the game fails to model is that these 'provinces' were (at least at the start of the game) often politically and culturally diverse... different cities with different loyalties, perhaps even different languages.