DOW Dissent Changes

[kodiak491]

Basically my suggestion is that the DOW dissent hit, if any, and the changes in international relations should be scaled to the relationship between the warring countries. This reflects the fact that the relations number to some extent mirrors the feelings of the populations and the international community know this. People and nations are less shocked when enemies go to war than when a nation betrays a friend or ally.

For example if Germany attacks France with whom she has -200 relations she will suffer much less dissent and her international standing will decrease less than if she attacks Italy with whom she has +200 relations.

Further betraying a close friend should reduce your chances of influencing other nations or making treaties since you have demonstrated that you are not reliable and trustworthy.

 

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Basically my suggestion is that the DOW dissent hit, if any, and the changes in international relations should be scaled to the relationship between the warring countries. This reflects the fact that the relations number to some extent mirrors the feelings of the populations and the international community know this. People and nations are less shocked when enemies go to war than when a nation betrays a friend or ally.

For example if Germany attacks France with whom she has -200 relations she will suffer much less dissent and her international standing will decrease less than if she attacks Italy with whom she has +200 relations.

Further betraying a close friend should reduce your chances of influencing other nations or making treaties since you have demonstrated that you are not reliable and trustworthy.

This could be easily factored in if say your dissent penalty were affected by .01x(your current relations with target). Declaring war on a country with -200 relations would cost -2.0 dissent less and reversely +2.0 more for a country with whom relations are at +200. Making the coefficient more than .01 would greatly outweigh the other factors (form of government, non-aggression pact, etc.) which I think are very important.

 

[kodiak491]

This could be easily factored in if say your dissent penalty were affected by .01x(your current relations with target). Declaring war on a country with -200 relations would cost -2.0 dissent less and reversely +2.0 more for a country with whom relations are at +200. Making the coefficient more than .01 would greatly outweigh the other factors (form of government, non-aggression pact, etc.) which I think are very important.

Thats basically what I meant. But the same should be true of how your international relations change. If Nazi Germany attacks Fascist Italy it should offend Fascist Spain, Hungary, Romania, etc more than it offends say England or the US. After all the democracies are only having their low opinion of the Nazi's trustworthyness confirmed but the Fascist nations now have to know that if Germany would betray Italy she might betray them too.

 

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Thats basically what I meant. But the same should be true of how your international relations change. If Nazi Germany attacks Fascist Italy it should offend Fascist Spain, Hungary, Romania, etc more than it offends say England or the US. After all the democracies are only having their low opinion of the Nazi's trustworthyness confirmed but the Fascist nations now have to know that if Germany would betray Italy she might betray them too.

This is indeed interesting and I remember that it existed as a feature in Europa Universalis, where annexing a nation of a certain religion hurt your relations with all nations of the same religion.