After seeing Dunkirk--I want nothing more than a Dunkirk map to play on. Anyone have any information on a Dunkirk map DLC or mod?
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Wouldn´t be worth the effort imo. Then I would prefer east front but it´s to soon for it.
There aren't many games around dealing with the early war period...granted there wasn't a lot of eye catching gear, but it's still an interesting period. The fact is that armies were beaten by doctrine and tactics, rather than by materiel, during that period.
it would be pretty boring gameplay because lack of variance in equipment i think.
there is a big difference between late war german tech vs. late war allied tech that is not as pronounced in early war.... i dont think pz 3 vs char b1 bis battle to be very interesting. and flak 88 will be busted.
I don't find IS-2s and king tigers to be interesting in the slightest- I like the more defined strengths and weaknesses of the b1 bis, the panzer III, the matilda II, and the S35.
Which make it an interesting period because doctrines and tactics are more or less player relevant, while machines are not.
Huh no. There is a lot of variation between tanks in 1940, Germans fielded Pz I, Pz II, Pz III and IV and more. France had a huge variety of tank, including heavier tank than the Germans.
And actually the difference between tank tech was far more important in 1940 than in 1945. Mainly because the Germans didn't have heavy tanks.
in 1944 the Germans had Pz2, pz3, pz4, pz5, pz6 pz6 ausf b, and the pz7 was almost complete.... More variety to me....
In terms of small arm's,
Germany
1940
- Mg34
- Kar98
- Mp40
- Pzbsh 39
1944
- Mg34
- Mg42
- Kar98
- G43
- Stg44
- Mp40
- Fg42
- Pzfaust
- Pzshrek
S35: 6 AV 7 AP 25 km/h
pz 3: 3 or 6 AV 8 AP 23kmh
char b1/b2: 7 AP 8 AV 13 kmh
and pretty much every tank will be within or just outside those boundaries. every french, german and british tank except matilda. and they all would have same range. very interesting indeed.
one of the biggest aspect to SD gameplay is the asymmetric balance of machines and equipment. adding USSR will further diversify the roster and add new, interesting capability. and u are saying with less diverse technology will have more tactics? hahaha
compare 1940's western front to 1944/45 germany vs USSR IS-2 mod. 1943 (if were to be added)
2-3 RPM
19 AP
20 km/h
11/12 front AV
9 side
or mod. 1944 with late ballistic cap ammo :
3.5-4 RPM (semi automatic breech)
20 AP
20 km/h
15-17 front AV depends wat eugen is modelling here
11 side AV (front shoulders 130mm, rest is 90mm)
9 HE
1200m
so we get an all new kind of tank with slow rate of fire and need to be microed into cover/out of range while loading in combat. also able to defeat panther/tiger easily and fight against king tiger up close. and also with heavy HE. or wat about su-100?
with 5-6 RPM
22 AP with late ammo, 20 AP with standard ammo
25 km/h
13-14 AV
5 side AV
6 HE
1200m
and the unique SU/ISU-152 series..... on top of it all u get the most intense, best action because USSR is the real opponent to germany, with the most intense battles and diverse equipment. and this is just tank vehicles, the aircraft and artillery will be very advanced in a 1945 eastern front scenario
the want for this 1940 theatre is the want for novelty, not good gameplay or interesting units and is because of bias to obscure (but not interesting , there is a difference) technology.
According to the recent trend in videogame (Battlefield One) & movie (Dunkirk) industries, we've decided that if we were to make a Dunkirk '40 map, it would only feature French & German troops. Well, Poles & Canadians would be welcome too ...
Indeed, it' d be nice if the French Army from WW1/2 weren't that neglected in videogame and movies.According to the recent trend in videogame (Battlefield One) & movie (Dunkirk) industries, we've decided that if we were to make a Dunkirk '40 map, it would only feature French & German troops. Well, Poles & Canadians would be welcome too ...
I hope Eugen will be able to do something about that (let's be sharing and let British troops in though
).
I'm not saying there is more variety in 1940 than 1944, I'm saying there is enough variety to make a game/expansion/DLC about it.
Since I do not share your love for big fat tanks with heavy armor and big guns nor your love for USSR battlefields, we will just have to agree to disagree here.
No re-read my post, the guy I quoted said it. He just said it in a way that seems to means that more tactics than technology will make for a poorer game (I do not know if that is what he meant but that is what I understand). So I pointed out that tactics belong to the player in SD44 and technology not hence more tactics = better game.
Never did I said that less technology = more tactics.
According to the recent trend in videogame (Battlefield One) & movie (Dunkirk) industries, we've decided that if we were to make a Dunkirk '40 map, it would only feature French & German troops. Well, Poles & Canadians would be welcome too ...
You should make a North Africa 41 DLC without Brits. That should be a hell of a payback
(let's be sharing and let British troops in though
Surely if it's a Dunkirk map the point would be to let the British troops out?
Panzer VII never left the drawing board, that's all the "nearly complete" it was ...
Now, if you compare with 1940:
Panzer I, Panzer II, Panzer III, Panzer IV, Panzer 35(t), Panzer 38(t) ... even the Neubaufahrzeug was more ready than the Panzer VII for three of them took part in the campaign in Norway.
That's basically as much German tank models as in 1944 ...
Taking into consideration both the campaigns in France+Netherlands+Belgium, you would have quite a few weapons from these countries immediately turned against their previous owners.
About is 2 mod 1944 av must be around 18. Sure some parts of it only have like 120 mm effective, but some other parts are immune to the long 88 and this should be reflected in AV. About Ap i agree but HE better be around 15: it was designed as a bunker/building buster. 18-20 kmhS35: 6 AV 7 AP 25 km/h
pz 3: 3 or 6 AV 8 AP 23kmh
char b1/b2: 7 AP 8 AV 13 kmh
and pretty much every tank will be within or just outside those boundaries. every french, german and british tank except matilda. and they all would have same range. very interesting indeed.
one of the biggest aspect to SD gameplay is the asymmetric balance of machines and equipment. adding USSR will further diversify the roster and add new, interesting capability. and u are saying with less diverse technology will have more tactics? hahaha
compare 1940's western front to 1944/45 germany vs USSR IS-2 mod. 1943 (if were to be added)
2-3 RPM
19 AP
20 km/h
11/12 front AV
9 side
or mod. 1944 with late ballistic cap ammo :
3.5-4 RPM (semi automatic breech)
20 AP
20 km/h
15-17 front AV depends wat eugen is modelling here
11 side AV (front shoulders 130mm, rest is 90mm)
9 HE
1200m
so we get an all new kind of tank with slow rate of fire and need to be microed into cover/out of range while loading in combat. also able to defeat panther/tiger easily and fight against king tiger up close. and also with heavy HE. or wat about su-100?
with 5-6 RPM
22 AP with late ammo, 20 AP with standard ammo
25 km/h
13-14 AV
5 side AV
6 HE
1200m
and the unique SU/ISU-152 series..... on top of it all u get the most intense, best action because USSR is the real opponent to germany, with the most intense battles and diverse equipment. and this is just tank vehicles, the aircraft and artillery will be very advanced in a 1945 eastern front scenario
the want for this 1940 theatre is the want for novelty, not good gameplay or interesting units and is because of bias to obscure (but not interesting , there is a difference) technology.
As for is2 mod 43, i dont think it is representative of the time period because they were knocked out late 1943/early 1944. But mod 43 av = 12.
As for su 100, then take jpanther subtract 1 AV, 1-2 AP, increase HE to like 7 and done.
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... which reminds that in 1940, the German had a pretty cool vehicle they didn't have anymore in 1944 (or only in Italy): the Bunkerflak!
Self-propelled armored 88mm for direct fire:
1940: 1 - 1944: 0
Self-propelled armored 88mm for direct fire:
1940: 1 - 1944: 0
... which reminds that in 1940, the German had a pretty cool vehicle they didn't have anymore in 1944 (or only in Italy): the Bunkerflak!
Self-propelled armored 88mm for direct fire:
1940: 1 - 1944: 0
its called a tiger madman
and well, he he
u are thinking of war thunder's version of IS-2 mod 1944 which is very limited production model from one plant iirc ~20 were produced with the welded 120mm glacis.
the real IS-2 mod 1944 was 90mm cast glacis and could be defeated by long 88mm up to 600m reliably. and for the armour value u have to consider the whole frontal profile of the tank, IS-2 has only 100mm lower glacis, and 100mm turret with a small backplate. the only reliably strong spot (against kwk 43) is the upper glacis.
su-100 AP depends on ammo. BR-412B 1945 ammo irl (not in war thunder) had very similar 100m range penetration to the KwK 43, but dropped off harder. but the game takes 100m penetration from ww2 armour ballistics and gunnery and chucks it to 1000m (1200m AP is scaled accordingly) in game, for 1 AP = 10mm. BR-412B would be 22 AP, BR-412 would be 20 AP like you said...
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What trend in Battlefield One? The French have the second highest amount of equipment represented second only to GermanyAccording to the recent trend in videogame (Battlefield One) & movie (Dunkirk) industries, we've decided that if we were to make a Dunkirk '40 map, it would only feature French & German troops. Well, Poles & Canadians would be welcome too ...
Lebel 1886 bolt action rifle
Chauchat Light machine gun
M1909 Benet Mercie Heavy machine gun.
Hotchkiss 1914 Static heavy machine gun
Ribeyrolles 1918 SMG
not sure if theres any French pistols though
Vehicles
FT-17 my favorite and argueably the most sucesful early tank design.
CHAR-2C uh wtf id rather have 20 FT-17s
Saint-Charmond Literally looks like a warhammer 40k tank. Pretty awesome
SPAD S.XIII bi-plane one of the best of WW1
5 guns and 4 vehicles they have the second largest selection of equipment ingame. Not that im saying it gives the French side an advantage as all sides have access to all weapons and vehicles. Sure they were DLC but so are the Russians and being DLC gives more content to those specific countries.
And Battlefield one isnt exactly a historically accurate simulater.
As for Dunkirk i havent seen it yet so i cant really comment on that movie.
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