Dynamic Shields

[Darkath]

I always thought the dynamic flags of Victoria 2 were a really nice touch, as the few shield changes based on events in EUIII (great britain, scandinavia, revolutionary france).

It'd be great if the dynamic flag system was expanded to EUIV to better reflect government changes, at least for main countries transitioning from monarchy to republic in the late game.

 

[BishopCornelius]

I agree 100%

 

[gigau]

I also support this motion.

 

[Ashantai]

Agreed!

 

[Darkath]

Also, i was thinking, it would probably allow some nice additions for mods.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

How, exactly should the shields change, though? The EU3 emblems were for the most part already totally devoid of crowns and other symbols of monarchy. For most countries they were just color patterns. Ulm is black and white, the HRE is a black eagle on yellow, France is golden lilies on a field of blue, england is a red cross on white, an so on. These types of color patterns work well as general symbols of the state regardless of context. (Except maybe where France was concerned, where the tricolor came into play.)

Where exactly do you want "government changes" to be shown?? :huh: Republics aren't all that common anyways, and many of them (like the English Commonwealth) used symbols that could just as well have served a monarchic state.

Having the flag be a symbol of a whole society, not just the organs of the state, is a distinctly 19th century idea. Also I would hate if they replaces all the nice country emblems by bland tricolors when republics take over.

 

[Don_Quigleone]

The flag changes should be dependent on any triggers available (religion, government type, etc.). Perhaps Paradox shouldn't put much effort into it (maybe only adding the obvious like Revolutionary France), leaving it to Modders.

 

[Jia Xu]

The flag changes should be dependent on any triggers available (religion, government type, etc.). Perhaps Paradox shouldn't put much effort into it (maybe only adding the obvious like Revolutionary France), leaving it to Modders.

I would be perfectly content just to have a dynamic flag system in EU4, even if the developers didn't use it in vanilla outside of the really obvious ones (Republican France, Turkey, etc).

 

[SouthernKing]

I really liked how Victoria 2 did it, and heartily agree that they should make it in EU4

 

[Straigthtsilver]

This definitely has my support. The dynamic flag changes in VicII were an awesome feature.

 

[VI Imre]

It's certainly a have to. With this feuture mods will need much much less tags and spare processing time thus allowing the to run at a higher speed.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Having it as a moddable feature would be good enough, but is there really any point? France would be the only one really to use it in a vanilla game.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing it in someone's mod where different historical flags appeared through time (ala EU2 and the flagname command), but then it wouldn't really suit EU3 - but EU4? Possibly.

Aye.

 

[George LeS]

I hope I won't come across as too hostile here, but I have some questions about all requests like this:

1. Do you think the gameplay and mechanics of the game are ideal already?

2. If not, why do you want the company's resources (which are finite) directed to this, rather than, say, the AI or the peace deal system?

I'm serious about this; I have never understood the large number of such requests. Apparently many see it differently. Why?

 

[Will Lucky]

This could be an excellent part of that push to have more historical flavour events, it was a fantastic feature in Victoria 2 and I would also love to see it here.

 

[Darkath]

I hope I won't come across as too hostile here, but I have some questions about all requests like this:

1. Do you think the gameplay and mechanics of the game are ideal already?

2. If not, why do you want the company's resources (which are finite) directed to this, rather than, say, the AI or the peace deal system?

I'm serious about this; I have never understood the large number of such requests. Apparently many see it differently. Why?

Because it was already implemented successfuly in another paradox game, and the way i see it, the ressources it would use would be mostly for creating the required art assets (and paradox must have whole databases of flags already anyway). But then again, only a trigger for modder could do the trick for now.

It is obviously non-essential and purely cosmetic, but it adds flavor. And as you can see people like this feature very very much

I wouldn't have ever thought about it if it was not present in another very recent PDS game.

 

[Don_Quigleone]

Yeah, I don't think most people would care if it was modder only. Just unhinge name/flag from tag, and allow names and flags to be changed in events, even that would be sufficient.

France is not the only case, with this feature, you could remove the separate Great Britain tag, and simply have England renamed to Great Britain, with the appropriate Union Jack.

 

[Jaol]

I hope I won't come across as too hostile here, but I have some questions about all requests like this:

1. Do you think the gameplay and mechanics of the game are ideal already?

2. If not, why do you want the company's resources (which are finite) directed to this, rather than, say, the AI or the peace deal system?

I'm serious about this; I have never understood the large number of such requests. Apparently many see it differently. Why?

Well, this actually has a fair effect on gameplay. More TAGs = slower game. So if they can use a single TAG to represent Royal France and the French Republic, that speeds the game up.

Also, Johan (or maybe Doomdark) said in one of the threads they build the engine so that it's optimized to handle a certain number of TAGs. They allow for mods adding 10-20% more TAGs, but beyond that performance will drop a lot. So historical accuracy mods (and you know there will be a bunch of them) will work better if they can just add multiple flags for a single TAG rather than multiple TAGs.

 

[VI Imre]

Also, Johan (or maybe Doomdark) said in one of the threads they build the engine so that it's optimized to handle a certain number of TAGs. They allow for mods adding 10-20% more TAGs, but beyond that performance will drop a lot. So historical accuracy mods (and you know there will be a bunch of them) will work better if they can just add multiple flags for a single TAG rather than multiple TAGs.

Exactly, as far as I understand the engine handles TAG as of they first do their own business (like moving soldiers and building buildings) and for n TAGs its n calculation. But the TAGs also communicate with each other so it means +n^2 calculations and with that component you get an exponentional processing time as the number of tags grow.

It means two things. Firstly modders can't go above a certain number of tags. Secondly the people with older machines won't be able to enjoy the game at its completeness and won't even bother to try mods with even more tags. Or they won't buy the game at all. Therefore it's good investment for the developers to investigate how they can get increase the performance of the engine. Thus at the end they will get more cash and appreciation.

 

[Fintilgin]

Please, please, please do this. Even if it's just for modders. Playing a republic and being stuck with the monarchal flag of France or Spain or whatever is really annoying.

 

[DrTron]

Yeah, I don't think most people would care if it was modder only. Just unhinge name/flag from tag, and allow names and flags to be changed in events, even that would be sufficient.

France is not the only case, with this feature, you could remove the separate Great Britain tag, and simply have England renamed to Great Britain, with the appropriate Union Jack.

Problem with that, what if Scotland unites the Island? Another form, just for Scotland? Maybe that'll let us have the Scottish Union Jack if we unite Great Britain as Scotland.