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hello guys, thanx for invitation and yes, i vote with all my ten for merging CIP with yr Uber Balkan Mod :)

i still havent done few things for CIP, especially both uprisings (Slovak and Prague) + many small things including tuning, but i agree to use any event, personnel or picture in CIP for yr mod :cool:
 
Wow! Really cool mod :)

About Hungarian-Yugoslav eternal friendship pact: It was signed in 12th december 1940. When Hungary attacked the Yugoslav kingdom despite this agreement, count Paul Teleki commited suicide.

By the way, about the flag... in Victoria it's possible that flags change dinamicaly, for example if the ideology of the state change from democratic republic to communist or fascist (national socialist). Is this would be possible in HOI2:DD too?

Keep up the good work! ;)
 
Daemoncool said:
Wow! Really cool mod :)
By the way, about the flag... in Victoria it's possible that flags change dinamicaly, for example if the ideology of the state change from democratic republic to communist or fascist (national socialist). Is this would be possible in HOI2:DD too?

Sadly,nope. :( It would be good if they would add it in a patch,but they haven't done so in DD nor A,so I doubt they ever will.
 
snajper06 said:
Some color graphics if you want it (I have more) please send pm
I have thougth to make the mod black and white. But we will consider it later.
Now, If you hava any useful material for Poland (events, ministers, leaders, techteams), please share it with us.
Gaarq said:
Wow! Really cool mod

About Hungarian-Yugoslav eternal friendship pact: It was signed in 12th december 1940. When Hungary attacked the Yugoslav kingdom despite this agreement, count Paul Teleki commited suicide.

By the way, about the flag... in Victoria it's possible that flags change dinamicaly, for example if the ideology of the state change from democratic republic to communist or fascist (national socialist). Is this would be possible in HOI2D too?

Keep up the good work!
Thank you for your cooperation. I have downloaded your work and I will add it to ÜBM (I have designed an acronym!) folder. When you make something new, post it here, or signal me by pm, or post it in your thread about CIP and I will notice it. Thank you again.
Daemoncool said:
Wow! Really cool mod

About Hungarian-Yugoslav eternal friendship pact: It was signed in 12th december 1940. When Hungary attacked the Yugoslav kingdom despite this agreement, count Paul Teleki commited suicide.

Keep up the good work!
Excellent. Do you know where that pact was signed? So that we can determine in which country the event will trigger. If that count Paul Teleki exists as minister, leader, there could be an event of his suicide, when Germany attacks Yugoslavia.
Daemoncool and The Great Duck said:
By the way, about the flag... in Victoria it's possible that flags change dinamicaly, for example if the ideology of the state change from democratic republic to communist or fascist (national socialist). Is this would be possible in HOI2D too?
Sadly,nope. It would be good if they would add it in a patch,but they haven't done so in DD nor A,so I doubt they ever will.
It is bad I know. I have already proposed them in suggestions subforum to add that feature. For now, I will pack duble flags for all countries that changed their ideology.
I have the socialist Romanian and Yugoslav flag and shield. Could somebody find Bulgarian, and Albanian socialist flag? I think that Hungarian socialist flag is the same without Coat of Arms, or I am wrong.
 
FallenMorgan said:
What happens in the Yugoslav Civil War exactly?
You mean the one that I have mentioned in the "NEW MAP PROJECT - Enlisting" thread?
It is the war in Yugoslavia (mostly in Serbia) that was happening simultaneously with resistance fighting against Germany. In Serbia existed two resistance movements: Chetniks - monarchist movement, willing to fight against Germans and to restore the Kingdom of Yugoslavia;
Partisans - socialist movement, willing to fight agianst Germans and to form a socialist Yugoslavia.
There existed fascist oriented followers of Dimitrije Ljotić (called Ljotićevci) who cooperated with Germans.
Chetniks and Partisan at the beginning of ocupation cooperated in their effort to cast out Germans, but then their ideological differences turned them against each other, and they started to fight for supremacy in Serbia, later in montenegro and Bosnia, and after the surrender of Italy, in Croatia. At the end, Partisan won the supremacy, and formed the new state called Federal People's Republic Yugoslavia, a socialist state.

Could anybody send a PM to Sgt. Optimus and tell him that I have something to offer him. Just tell him to send me a PM with any content. Thank you very much.
 
Dont forget that the Četniks stated collaborate with the Germans against the Partisans after some time.And I think there wasn't only one Četnik movement...the one under command of Draža Mihajlović and the other led by Kosta Pećanac,and also Đujićs Četniks in NDH.
Also,I would change the ideology of the Četnik ministers to PA.
EDIT:You could borrow the flags for communist countries from the CW mod.
 
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Ok!

I'll write tomorrow the history about this friendship pact :) by the way, I can make shields and flags in Vici and in EU3 styles if you want :) (and if I can find HOI style template, I can create in Hoi style too :p, and other kind off stuffs in photoshop :))
 
Yes, but in the same way in some moments, Partisans collaborated with Germans against Četniks. But you are right. Indeed, In Yugoslavia existed four Četnik movements: Dragoljub Draža Mihajlović's Četniks in Serbia, Kosta Pećanac's Četniks in Serbia (collaborated with Ljotić), Momčilo Đujić's Četniks in Bosnia (ISC/NDH) and one other in Montenegro, but I have forgotten the name. Basically, četa in Serbo-Croatian means squad, so četnik means a squadmember. That is why that name was popular, as it represented a guerilla fighters squad.
For the Četnik ministers, I do not know. During the WWII, Draža Mihajlović was a minister of defence of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. If king Petar II Karađorđević's government was social conservative, then Četnik ministers could be the same, as they fought for that government.
 
Daemoncool said:
Ok!

I'll write tomorrow the history about this friendship pact :) by the way, I can make shields and flags in Vici and in EU3 styles if you want :) (and if I can find HOI style template, I can create in Hoi style too :p, and other kind off stuffs in photoshop :))
Excellent you may write us the history of the event or it's description. And for the graphical work, we will see later. We will need alternative shield for many countries.
 
#########################################################################
# Lend-Lease Shipment to the Yugoslavia
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 10003
random = no
country = USA
persistent = yes

trigger = {
war = { country = YUG country = GER }
event = 3404 # Lend-Lease Act passed
control = { province = 389 data = YUG } #montenegro harbors
OR = {
control = { province = 384 data = YUG } #split harbors
}
NOT = {
war = { country = YUG country = USA }
}
}

name = "EVT_10003_NAME"
desc = "EVT_10003_DESC"
style = 0
picture = "Lend_Lease_SOV"

date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1941 } #may because yugoslavia needs to give resistance for considerable time
offset = 270 # Check for trigger conditions every 30 days
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1947 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME10003A" # Send more supplies
ai_chance = 80
command = { type = supplies value = -10000 }
command = { type = rarematerialspool value = -500 }
command = { type = relation which = SOV value = 1 }
command = { type = trigger which = 10004 } # Yugoslavia
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME10003B" # Not this time
ai_chance = 20
command = { type = relation which = YUG value = -5 }
}
}
#########################################################################
# A Lend-Lease Caravan Arrives from the USA
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 10004
random = no
country = YUG

# Triggered by USA 1003. NOTE: May be triggered several times.

name = "EVT_10004_NAME"
desc = "EVT_10004_DESC"
style = 0
picture = "Lend_Lease_Chi"

action_a = {
name = "OK" # Excellent!
command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
command = { type = rarematerialspool value = 500 }
command = { type = add_division which = "Americki tenkovi" value = light_armor when = 2 } all units are just proposals
command = { type = add_division which = "Americka motorizacija" value = motorized when = 2 }
command = { type = add_division which = "Americki avioni" value = interceptor when = 2 }
command = { type = add_brigade value = anti tank when = 2 }
command = { type = add_brigade value = arillery when = 4 }
command = { type = add_brigade value = aa when = 2 }
command = { type = add_brigade value = aa when = 2 }
}
}
 
This might seem a bit non-productive, but try not to overdo the historical part of the project.
The eternal friendship pact between HUN and YUG is a pact of non aggression which can be done via diplomacy. Germany demanded that Hungary be on good term with YUG and ROM, which they wanted to secure as allies. On the other hand Hun can be negative against Czechslovakia, as it was a prime target of German expansion.
And of course Count Teleki should only commit suicide if he is the Prime Minister and if Hungary is in war with Yug while the non-aggression pact is in effect.
I think this is already done in the various HUN improvement pacts.
 
Making non aggression pacts is very difficult, as the chance is allways about 20-22 percents, excepti in some special conditions (FRA-SPR, YUG-GRE...). So adding this event would be interesting. Besides, it depends on ai which action will it chose, so the pact would not been always signed.
 
Ok, here's the story, and my ideas! I translated what I found on Hungarian wiki, maybe not the best translations, but I hope you can understand it :)

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The Hungarian-Yugoslav eternal friendship agreement signed in 12th december 1940 at Belgrade. (It was not ratificating so it was never come into force).

Premise

Before the agreement Teleki’s government prepared for a war which might been brake out between Romania and Hungary which lost Transylvania after World War 1, and willing to regain it. Teleki’s government wanted to stay netural and don’t pledge themself to the more and more powerfull Germany, so they started to search other diplomatic contacts. Yugoslavia had a very good relations with United Kingdom despite they were also had good relations with Germany.

For Yugoslavia it was important too, that with a Hungarian help they can moderate German influence and the international isolation in the Balkans which one was caused because Yugoslavia’s friends, Czechoslovakia and France became under German rule, Romania became German friend while Yugoslavia’s neighbours, Bulgaria and Italy became belligerent.

The approach’s priority was so close, that in the end of 1939 in the Hungarian press and forums often occur the wish to settle the Hungarian and Yugoslavian relations friendly. This conception was supported by Endre Bajcsy-Zsilinszky with others too.

Bajcsy-Zsilinszky’s friend, Imre Németh was arrived to the Balakan-conference in 9th december into Belgrade and informed the Yugoslav prime minister Dragiša Cvetkovićot and other Yugoslav politicans about this morale in Hungary. In the return to Budapest, Németh informed Teleki about the favourable welcome. The „Magyarország” titled gazette published a report about this approach with „Hungarian word, Hungarian song, Hungarian morale in Belgrade” title. Following this Teleki cheered Bajcsy-Zsilinszky to go to Belgrade and continue the exploratory talk. The approach supported by Vladko Maček too. During the discussions Bajcsy-Zsilinszky on the side of he’s many arguments he refered Lajos Kossuth’s conception about the „Dunavölgye” confederation.

This agreement supported by Germany too, because Hitler trusted in Yugoslavia’s german friendship and while he started to plan a war against USSR he wanted to know Balkans in safe.


Signing the agreement

The agreement which is signed in 12th december 1940 contained only 3 points. The first 2 points:

1. Between the Hungarian and Yugoslav kingdom there will be always an eternal friendship and peace exist.
2. The signatories to this agreement agrees about that they will always consult about the questions which is concern they relations.

In the agreement Hungary didn’t put away the territorial claims on Yugoslavia, to regain Vojvodina/Vajdaság. About this point there was a bit conflict between Germany and Hungary. Because Germany also want to sign an agreement with Yugoslavia and it would contain that Germany guarantee the territorial integration of the Yugoslav kingdom. The Hungarian foreign minister, László Bárdossy wag one’s finger at German foreign minister Ribbentrop during it’s visit in Berlin so Ribbentrop promised that they will only „respect” the territorial integration of the Yugoslav kingdom.

The first point of this agreement raised moraly very high the two country’s relation which was uncommon in international agreements. Lately in april 1941 this agreement critisisd a lot and was very emberassing for Hungary.


Breaking the agreement

The chaos around Yugoslavia’s internal affairs and the German power demands was put the approach of the two country’s in to opposite way. In 26th march 1941 Yugoslavia joined the 3 power agreement to Germany, Italy and Japan, but the next day an anti german coup removed Cvetković’s government.

Germany felt it is now a good time to invade Yugoslavia, and they wanted Hungary as a station during the invasion. For this Germany exploited Hungary’s territorial claims on Yugoslavia. Invading Yugoslavia was turned away the creation of little-antant but it was meant breach of promise.

In this hot water Teleki first resigned, but then recalled it’s resignation and tryed to stop make war on Yugoslavia. The Supreme War Council accepted the proposal in 1th april 1941 to only go to war if Yugoslavia end as a state. In the next day Miklós Horthy and the main chief of the army told Teleki that they will not recognise the decision fully.

The broody prime minister’s situation was became even worser, when the United Kingdom told him that they will not excuse any agression against the Yugoslav kingdom.

In 3th april at around 1:30 am and 2:30 am in the Sándor palace Teleki in he’s room shot himself on head. „We were became truthless. We joined the side of villains. I wasn’t hold you back, I’m guilty.” – write Teleki on he’s suicide note to Horthy.

Teleki’s action was impressed Winston Churchill very deeply so he said: When the war’s over on the treaty conferences we must leave a seat empty to Teleki.


The full text of Teleki’s suicide note to Miklós Horthy:

„My lord!

We were became truthless – because of cowardice – opposite the eternal friendship which was conjectural of the Mohács speach. The nation feels this, and we threw our honor.

We joined the side of villains – Because none of the fictitouis atrocitys were true. Nor against Hungarians and nor against Germans! We will became grave-robbers! The most grottiest nation!

I wasn’t hold you back!

I’m guilty!

Pál Teleki

3th april 1941”



There was an other version, if Teleki won’t commit suicide:

„My Lord!

If my action was not successfull, and if I live, I resign ASAP.

in all submissiveness

Pál Teleki

3th april 1941”



Ok, so that's for the story, now here's my ideas:

If the player plays as Yugoslavia, everything happens accord to history, or it maybe a chance to change the situation, if for example the relations between Hungary and Yugoslavia is +200. Then it would be something like, that Hungary won't attack Yugoslavia but don't go to arms on the side of Yugoslavia either, only sends aid and accept refugees (just like when Poland invaded by Germany, Slovakia, USSR, Hungary wasn't attacked Poland, because Teleki said "it's a question of national honor to not attack Poland from the territory of Hungary." /Hungary and Poland have a very very big friendship which is often called brothership, despite we, Hungarians are not slavs :)/ Hungary accepted Polish refugees, and gave every help to them, but was not attacked Germany, it would be a suicide.)

As playing Hungary, there would be events, to sign the agreement or not sign the agreement, and depends on this, relations can improve between nations.

Sign the agreement:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with United Kingdom: +75
with Germany: +50

Don't sign the agreement:
No effect

After signing the agreement, the begin of the invasion of Yugoslavia, there would be options:

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia and declare war on Germany:
relations with Yugoslavia: +150
with United Kingdom: +100
with Germany: -75

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, but stay netural and don't start war:
relations with Yugoslavia: +50
with United Kingdom: no change
with Germany: -50

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, and send aid, weapons to Yugoslavia and accept refugees:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with UK: +50
with Germany: -25
A mount of resources send to Yugoslavia, and a groth of manpower because of refugees go to Hungary.

Brake the agreement, and declare war on Yugoslavia, accept the will of Germany:
Relations with Yugoslavia: -200
with UK: -200
with Germany: +100
count Pál Teleki no more available


That's all for now, if other Hungarians would have other ideas I think it would be cool because I'm not very sure if I was accurate enough :)
 
I have an idea of the addition of Bethlen István as a possible Head of Government. He was the prime minister between 1921-1931. He resigned becouse he couldn't deal with the Great Depression, but he thought that this will be only temporaly and he can come back when things will be good again. He remained as an advisor of Horthy and was an anti-nazi. De died in the Soviet Union on October 5, 1946.
 
LORD NIL said:
We are preparing also battlescenario Directive No-25 whcich would cover invasion of balkans and defeat of Greece and Yugoslavia.I know you would say Axis will crush us-but will be fun and educational-who knows about yugoslav army in 41 .But we have one hard obstacle -we need some expert to design base of battle scenario-aka to define map which would cover Hungary,west parts of romania(mostly borders with yugoslavia),bulgaria,yugoslavia,Greece-down to crete,albania,germany to vienna.We also need some help on airforce dispositon of Ge army and italia.So who wants to join or help he is welcome.If this battlescenario succseeds maybe we will design more-Syrmian front for example.

I don't know what it is writen after that but I will help you a little with story.
I start playing this game before 2 week and I liked so much that I started reading and searching for the real history because I so some wrongs..
In 28-oct-1940 Italy tried to take the control of the Greece.
They send armies etc but nothing happend and without having a good technology (and by taking their guns and supllies) Greece managed to go them behind and we take a part of albania (ask me for more info if you want).
As a resuly of all these Hitler have to send army.. and that make Germany to be late to go in Soviet Union.
I tell you all these because I am think to propose you to change the way the morale work. You can't add morale in the attackers as a product of their good technology investimens. Change it and in the countries which resist add it more. I mean the morale must be something stable and it depends from the country not the technology investiments :mad: ..

I want also to give you some statistics I found. So the image
023pl8.jpg
.

Also see how take what..
024kv8.jpg

I don't think you want any translation.Those happend the 1941 summer (I think). And the first attact from Italy start at 28-oct-1940!!! up to 6 months for all the greece and the wasted and 1 month in Crete!
The only think is that after the 6/9/1943 the everything Italian goes to germany..

For the greek alphabet also tell me (in PM better) or here what exactly you want. Don't you know the speeling or only you want greek fonts?
Here http://www.in.gr/grfonts.htm something will help.

I don't know what you say about "yugoslav army in 41" but as I see the germans get in Greece from Bulgary.. Althought in the image I found shows the they don't resist a lot..
See also that http://www.germanwarmachine.com/campaigns/1941/yugoslavia.htm
It is not from a greek book or somethink like that.. (I mean this is from germans and it says that the yogoslav army is huge but they didnot resist as it was belived)

But see this is the army http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/kingdom-of-yugoslavia/organization/1941/

To finish it in the real life the resistance came from countries like as greece which they have not such a big army but only their history and their belives, that's because I told you to change the morale effectivity..
But when german talks everybody shuts-up... They are not only strong but they have a huge army , with advandage technology.
For example Greece have 45 airplane (which are from Britain...) and germans send 1000 airplanes. (I have a table which writes all these with details but I have to translate it before I gave to you PM if you want tell me the table 575 and I will tranlate and send it).


PS: Please read in the next pages I have some explications, for a missunderstanding. Yogoslavia attaced from 3 places so their forces can't do anythink and Soviet Union and others left them it is writen in the link so that is the reason the fall so quick.
I am giving and I am explaining some things if you search in the next pages..
 
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Daemoncool said:
As playing Hungary, there would be events, to sign the agreement or not sign the agreement, and depends on this, relations can improve between nations.

Sign the agreement:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with United Kingdom: +75
with Germany: +50
The relation increase with UK might be much lower. Like +50 or so. As for germany a +20 would be enough.

Daemoncool said:
After signing the agreement, the begin of the invasion of Yugoslavia, there would be options:

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia and declare war on Germany:
relations with Yugoslavia: +150
with United Kingdom: +100
with Germany: -75
This suicide. So it should have 0 AI chance. Please note that the agreement was not to help each other militarily, but not to attack each other.


Daemoncool said:
Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, but stay neutral and don't start war:
relations with Yugoslavia: +50
with United Kingdom: no change
with Germany: -50
Also leave Axis is HUN is already in. This would be a major breaking point.

Daemoncool said:
Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, and send aid, weapons to Yugoslavia and accept refugees:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with UK: +50
with Germany: -25
A mount of resources send to Yugoslavia, and a groth of manpower because of refugees go to Hungary.

Giving help might be too much. And the refugees as manpower should go to the UK (like the Polish ones) or to other big Allied Nation. Or should give some bonuses to partisan activity afterwards.


Daemoncool said:
Brake the agreement, and declare war on Yugoslavia, accept the will of Germany:
Relations with Yugoslavia: -200
with UK: -200
with Germany: +100
count Pál Teleki no more available
HUN joins the Axis.
 
Vladimir II said:
Yes, but in the same way in some moments, Partisans collaborated with Germans against Četniks. But you are right. Indeed, In Yugoslavia existed four Četnik movements: Dragoljub Draža Mihajlović's Četniks in Serbia, Kosta Pećanac's Četniks in Serbia (collaborated with Ljotić), Momčilo Đujić's Četniks in Bosnia (ISC/NDH) and one other in Montenegro, but I have forgotten the name. Basically, četa in Serbo-Croatian means squad, so četnik means a squadmember. That is why that name was popular, as it represented a guerilla fighters squad.
For the Četnik ministers, I do not know. During the WWII, Draža Mihajlović was a minister of defence of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. If king Petar II Karađorđević's government was social conservative, then Četnik ministers could be the same, as they fought for that government.
The ideology of the government is not always the ideology of the minister.
And I don't think Četniks wanted to set up a democratic government,however they would either return the absolutism like during the 6th January dictatorship of king Alexander,or have Četnik and other nationalist and monarchist politicians have power,with the king being less important,and they would want at least a Serbian hegemony in the country,so I think PA is more reasonable.
 
Yugoslavia could have many different Tags which depend on politics:
-SHS fascist, paternal autocrat, national socialist (Flag normal, color white- SER grey)
-Communist Yugoslavia Stalinist, Leninist, left wing radical (Flag with red star, color normal)
-Yugoslavia everything else (Flag and color normal)

The tag of the country could TAG could change according to the countries ideology with an event. Yugoslavia could also have claims on Macedonia in Greece and Bulgaria and the province Veneto.