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That's right Delex! What is SFRJ without the red star on it's flag? :D And since Armagedon suports additional TAGS, I don't see a problem. ;)

EDIT: I think I have an event that transforms USSR into Russia in case of democratic reforms (It works, I checked). I just need to find that sucker and turn it into Yugoslavia.
 
Another preposition. For partisans between the ww2. After the fall of Beograd, Yugoslavia could get an capitulation event, which would have her secede all provinces to the axis. But the nation wont be annexed, but it would have a imaginary capital (If you played kaiserreich mod you know what I mean). After that you could get events for partisan movements, revolt risk modification,...
 
Another great idea Delex!

Here is my event, you can edit if you find something wrong:
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# Democratic Federative Yugoslavia
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event = {
id = xxxx
random = no
country = YUG


trigger = {
NOT = {
exists = CRO
exists = SER
exists = BOS
exists = MTN
exists = SLV
}
{government = [communist]
ideology = [left_wing_radical/leninist/stalinist]
}
}

name = "Restoring Yugoslavian State"
desc = "After long and bloody resistance against the Nazi Germany, chetniks and ustasha forces, Tito and his loyal partisans
declared Democratic Federative Yugoslavia on 2 December 1945, King Peter II. was exiled from country and monarchy was abolished. "
picture = "coup"


action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAMExxxxA"
command = { type = country which = [Socialist Yugoslavia TAG] } #Tito proclaims new Yugoslavia
command = { type = set_domestic which = dictatorship value = 4 }
command = { type = set_domestic which = political_left value = 2 }

}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAMExxxxB"
command = { type = independence which = SER value = 0 } #Abandon the Yugoslav idea
command = { type = independence which = CRO value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = SLV value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = MTN value = 0 }
command = { type = independence which = BOS value = 0 }

}
}
 
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Hey Vladimir II, i have compiled the communist flags for some east European nations as you asked me, here you have them:

http://rapidshare.com/files/9777470...g_pack.zip.html

There are some alternate ones for Albania and Hungary which i did not used them for the Cold War, they end with a "1" or "2".

You're welcome.
 
Kretoxian said:
Hey Vladimir II, i have compiled the communist flags for some east European nations as you asked me, here you have them:

http://rapidshare.com/files/9777470...g_pack.zip.html

There are some alternate ones for Albania and Hungary which i did not used them for the Cold War, they end with a "1" or "2".

You're welcome.


Hmm, it seems for me that this url don't work :(
 
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Daemoncool said:
I click on free servers, and then have this message: ERROR: Please enable JavaScript.

Ps: I've enabled javascript, by the way didn't ever turned it off...

I think it's a rapidshare issue, try this link instead:
http://www.savefile.com/files/1425437
 
Kretoxian said:
I think it's a rapidshare issue, try this link instead:
http://www.savefile.com/files/1425437

It's working! ^^

About Hungary: Hmm, the quality of the coat of arms are not the best, try this links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hungary

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Hungary

By the way good job :) I like it :) May I ask you where you downloaded the Hoi style shield template for photoshop? :) I searched everywhere but couldn't find it :)

Thanks in advance :)
 
Daemoncool said:
By the way good job :) I like it :) May I ask you where you downloaded the Hoi style shield template for photoshop? :) I searched everywhere but couldn't find it :)

Thanks in advance :)

I will not change those flags because i'm not working in this mod, i was only making a favour.

The tool used to make the flag has been the easy flag maker which is a plug in for adobe photoshop, visit the thread below:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251297
 
Would these flags do the trick?
shieldbosph4.bmp

shieldmtnty5.bmp

shieldserct0.bmp

shieldsfyqo5.bmp

shieldsvnwb6.bmp

shieldcrobb8.bmp
 
Daemoncool and kunadam said:
Ok, here's the story, and my ideas! I translated what I found on Hungarian wiki, maybe not the best translations, but I hope you can understand it

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The Hungarian-Yugoslav eternal friendship agreement signed in 12th december 1940 at Belgrade. (It was not ratificating so it was never come into force).

Premise

Before the agreement Teleki’s government prepared for a war which might been brake out between Romania and Hungary which lost Transylvania after World War 1, and willing to regain it. Teleki’s government wanted to stay netural and don’t pledge themself to the more and more powerfull Germany, so they started to search other diplomatic contacts. Yugoslavia had a very good relations with United Kingdom despite they were also had good relations with Germany.

For Yugoslavia it was important too, that with a Hungarian help they can moderate German influence and the international isolation in the Balkans which one was caused because Yugoslavia’s friends, Czechoslovakia and France became under German rule, Romania became German friend while Yugoslavia’s neighbours, Bulgaria and Italy became belligerent.

The approach’s priority was so close, that in the end of 1939 in the Hungarian press and forums often occur the wish to settle the Hungarian and Yugoslavian relations friendly. This conception was supported by Endre Bajcsy-Zsilinszky with others too.

Bajcsy-Zsilinszky’s friend, Imre Németh was arrived to the Balakan-conference in 9th december into Belgrade and informed the Yugoslav prime minister Dragiša Cvetkovićot and other Yugoslav politicans about this morale in Hungary. In the return to Budapest, Németh informed Teleki about the favourable welcome. The „Magyarország” titled gazette published a report about this approach with „Hungarian word, Hungarian song, Hungarian morale in Belgrade” title. Following this Teleki cheered Bajcsy-Zsilinszky to go to Belgrade and continue the exploratory talk. The approach supported by Vladko Maček too. During the discussions Bajcsy-Zsilinszky on the side of he’s many arguments he refered Lajos Kossuth’s conception about the „Dunavölgye” confederation.

This agreement supported by Germany too, because Hitler trusted in Yugoslavia’s german friendship and while he started to plan a war against USSR he wanted to know Balkans in safe.


Signing the agreement

The agreement which is signed in 12th december 1940 contained only 3 points. The first 2 points:

1. Between the Hungarian and Yugoslav kingdom there will be always an eternal friendship and peace exist.
2. The signatories to this agreement agrees about that they will always consult about the questions which is concern they relations.

In the agreement Hungary didn’t put away the territorial claims on Yugoslavia, to regain Vojvodina/Vajdaság. About this point there was a bit conflict between Germany and Hungary. Because Germany also want to sign an agreement with Yugoslavia and it would contain that Germany guarantee the territorial integration of the Yugoslav kingdom. The Hungarian foreign minister, László Bárdossy wag one’s finger at German foreign minister Ribbentrop during it’s visit in Berlin so Ribbentrop promised that they will only „respect” the territorial integration of the Yugoslav kingdom.

The first point of this agreement raised moraly very high the two country’s relation which was uncommon in international agreements. Lately in april 1941 this agreement critisisd a lot and was very emberassing for Hungary.


Breaking the agreement

The chaos around Yugoslavia’s internal affairs and the German power demands was put the approach of the two country’s in to opposite way. In 26th march 1941 Yugoslavia joined the 3 power agreement to Germany, Italy and Japan, but the next day an anti german coup removed Cvetković’s government.

Germany felt it is now a good time to invade Yugoslavia, and they wanted Hungary as a station during the invasion. For this Germany exploited Hungary’s territorial claims on Yugoslavia. Invading Yugoslavia was turned away the creation of little-antant but it was meant breach of promise.

In this hot water Teleki first resigned, but then recalled it’s resignation and tryed to stop make war on Yugoslavia. The Supreme War Council accepted the proposal in 1th april 1941 to only go to war if Yugoslavia end as a state. In the next day Miklós Horthy and the main chief of the army told Teleki that they will not recognise the decision fully.

The broody prime minister’s situation was became even worser, when the United Kingdom told him that they will not excuse any agression against the Yugoslav kingdom.

In 3th april at around 1:30 am and 2:30 am in the Sándor palace Teleki in he’s room shot himself on head. „We were became truthless. We joined the side of villains. I wasn’t hold you back, I’m guilty.” – write Teleki on he’s suicide note to Horthy.

Teleki’s action was impressed Winston Churchill very deeply so he said: When the war’s over on the treaty conferences we must leave a seat empty to Teleki.


The full text of Teleki’s suicide note to Miklós Horthy:

„My lord!

We were became truthless – because of cowardice – opposite the eternal friendship which was conjectural of the Mohács speach. The nation feels this, and we threw our honor.

We joined the side of villains – Because none of the fictitouis atrocitys were true. Nor against Hungarians and nor against Germans! We will became grave-robbers! The most grottiest nation!

I wasn’t hold you back!

I’m guilty!

Pál Teleki

3th april 1941”


There was an other version, if Teleki won’t commit suicide:

„My Lord!

If my action was not successfull, and if I live, I resign ASAP.

in all submissiveness

Pál Teleki

3th april 1941”


Ok, so that's for the story, now here's my ideas:

If the player plays as Yugoslavia, everything happens accord to history, or it maybe a chance to change the situation, if for example the relations between Hungary and Yugoslavia is +200. Then it would be something like, that Hungary won't attack Yugoslavia but don't go to arms on the side of Yugoslavia either, only sends aid and accept refugees (just like when Poland invaded by Germany, Slovakia, USSR, Hungary wasn't attacked Poland, because Teleki said "it's a question of national honor to not attack Poland from the territory of Hungary." /Hungary and Poland have a very very big friendship which is often called brothership, despite we, Hungarians are not slavs / Hungary accepted Polish refugees, and gave every help to them, but was not attacked Germany, it would be a suicide.)

As playing Hungary, there would be events, to sign the agreement or not sign the agreement, and depends on this, relations can improve between nations.

Sign the agreement:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with United Kingdom: +75
with Germany: +50

Don't sign the agreement:
No effect

After signing the agreement, the begin of the invasion of Yugoslavia, there would be options:

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia and declare war on Germany:
relations with Yugoslavia: +150
with United Kingdom: +100
with Germany: -75

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, but stay netural and don't start war:
relations with Yugoslavia: +50
with United Kingdom: no change
with Germany: -50

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, and send aid, weapons to Yugoslavia and accept refugees:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with UK: +50
with Germany: -25
A mount of resources send to Yugoslavia, and a groth of manpower because of refugees go to Hungary.

Brake the agreement, and declare war on Yugoslavia, accept the will of Germany:
Relations with Yugoslavia: -200
with UK: -200
with Germany: +100
count Pál Teleki no more available


That's all for now, if other Hungarians would have other ideas I think it would be cool because I'm not very sure if I was accurate enough.
Daemoncool said:
As playing Hungary, there would be events, to sign the agreement or not sign the agreement, and depends on this, relations can improve between nations.

Sign the agreement:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with United Kingdom: +75
with Germany: +50


The relation increase with UK might be much lower. Like +50 or so. As for germany a +20 would be enough.

Daemoncool said:
After signing the agreement, the begin of the invasion of Yugoslavia, there would be options:

Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia and declare war on Germany:
relations with Yugoslavia: +150
with United Kingdom: +100
with Germany: -75


This suicide. So it should have 0 AI chance. Please note that the agreement was not to help each other militarily, but not to attack each other.


Daemoncool said:
Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, but stay neutral and don't start war:
relations with Yugoslavia: +50
with United Kingdom: no change
with Germany: -50


Also leave Axis is HUN is already in. This would be a major breaking point.

Daemoncool said:
Keep our agreement with Yugoslavia, and send aid, weapons to Yugoslavia and accept refugees:
relations with Yugoslavia: +100
with UK: +50
with Germany: -25
A mount of resources send to Yugoslavia, and a groth of manpower because of refugees go to Hungary.



Giving help might be too much. And the refugees as manpower should go to the UK (like the Polish ones) or to other big Allied Nation. Or should give some bonuses to partisan activity afterwards.


Daemoncool said:
Brake the agreement, and declare war on Yugoslavia, accept the will of Germany:
Relations with Yugoslavia: -200
with UK: -200
with Germany: +100
count Pál Teleki no more available


HUN joins the Axis.
Thank you for your research and suggestion. I will analyze it during the weekend and will write this event, with combined work of both of you.
 
Athi said:
I have an idea of the addition of Bethlen István as a possible Head of Government. He was the prime minister between 1921-1931. He resigned becouse he couldn't deal with the Great Depression, but he thought that this will be only temporaly and he can come back when things will be good again. He remained as an advisor of Horthy and was an anti-nazi. De died in the Soviet Union on October 5, 1946.
Thak you for your proposal. If you could find his image and ideology orientation... I will add him.
 
Isiodos said:
I don't know what it is writen after that but I will help you a little with story.
I start playing this game before 2 week and I liked so much that I started reading and searching for the real history because I so some wrongs..
In 28-oct-1940 Italy tried to take the control of the Greece.
They send armies etc but nothing happend and without having a good technology (and by taking their guns and supllies) Greece managed to go them behind and we take a part of albania (ask me for more info if you want).
As a resuly of all these Hitler have to send army.. and that make Germany to be late to go in Soviet Union.
I tell you all these because I am think to propose you to change the way the morale work. You can't add morale in the attackers as a product of their good technology investimens. Change it and in the countries which resist add it more. I mean the morale must be something stable and it depends from the country not the technology investiments :mad: ..

I want also to give you some statistics I found. So the image
023pl8.jpg
.

Also see how take what..
024kv8.jpg

I don't think you want any translation.Those happend the 1941 summer (I think). And the first attact from Italy start at 28-oct-1940!!! up to 6 months for all the greece and the wasted and 1 month in Crete!
The only think is that after the 6/9/1943 the everything Italian goes to germany..

For the greek alphabet also tell me (in PM better) or here what exactly you want. Don't you know the speeling or only you want greek fonts?
Here http://www.in.gr/grfonts.htm something will help.

I don't know what you say about "yugoslav army in 41" but as I see the germans get in Greece from Bulgary.. Althought in the image I found shows the they don't resist a lot..
See also that http://www.germanwarmachine.com/campaigns/1941/yugoslavia.htm
It is not from a greek book or somethink like that.. (I mean this is from germans and it says that the yogoslav army is huge but they didnot resist as it was belived)

But see this is the army http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/kingdom-of-yugoslavia/organization/1941/

To finish it in the real life the resistance came from countries like as greece which they have not such a big army but only their history and their belives, that's because I told you to change the morale effectivity..
But when german talks everybody shuts-up... They are not only strong but they have a huge army , with advandage technology.
For example Greece have 45 airplane (which are from Britain...) and germans send 1000 airplanes. (I have a table which writes all these with details but I have to translate it before I gave to you PM if you want tell me the table 575 and I will tranlate and send it).
Thank you. I know about German intervention in Greece. And indeed there is the morale problem.
I have meant about adding greek alphabet in the ingame font files, so that the names in Greece and Cyprus, could be properly written.
By the way, I have been learning Greek in free time, so I know to read the signs in your images (except that I do not understand everything). But I must ask you a few questions:
is there a rule where is used letter ο, and where ω? And is letter β pronounced as b or v? Anl letter η, is it pronounced as i or e?

Yugoslavia indeed had a large army, but there existed the problem of morale. Only some parts of Slovenia and central and east Serbia gave a significant resistance, until capitulation.
You could analyze the Greek troops in '36/'38/'39. so that we could rework the greece.inc files for those scenarios.
 
Isiodos said:
I don't know what it is writen after that but I will help you a little with story.
I start playing this game before 2 week and I liked so much that I started reading and searching for the real history because I so some wrongs..
In 28-oct-1940 Italy tried to take the control of the Greece.
They send armies etc but nothing happend and without having a good technology (and by taking their guns and supllies) Greece managed to go them behind and we take a part of albania (ask me for more info if you want).
As a resuly of all these Hitler have to send army.. and that make Germany to be late to go in Soviet Union.
I tell you all these because I am think to propose you to change the way the morale work. You can't add morale in the attackers as a product of their good technology investimens. Change it and in the countries which resist add it more. I mean the morale must be something stable and it depends from the country not the technology investiments :mad: ..

I want also to give you some statistics I found.

Also see how take what..I don't think you want any translation.Those happend the 1941 summer (I think). And the first attact from Italy start at 28-oct-1940!!! up to 6 months for all the greece and the wasted and 1 month in Crete!
The only think is that after the 6/9/1943 the everything Italian goes to germany..

For the greek alphabet also tell me (in PM better) or here what exactly you want. Don't you know the speeling or only you want greek fonts?
Here http://www.in.gr/grfonts.htm something will help.

I don't know what you say about "yugoslav army in 41" but as I see the germans get in Greece from Bulgary.. Althought in the image I found shows the they don't resist a lot..
See also that http://www.germanwarmachine.com/campaigns/1941/yugoslavia.htm
It is not from a greek book or somethink like that.. (I mean this is from germans and it says that the yogoslav army is huge but they didnot resist as it was belived)

But see this is the army http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/kingdom-of-yugoslavia/organization/1941/

To finish it in the real life the resistance came from countries like as greece which they have not such a big army but only their history and their belives, that's because I told you to change the morale effectivity..
But when german talks everybody shuts-up... They are not only strong but they have a huge army , with advandage technology.
For example Greece have 45 airplane (which are from Britain...) and germans send 1000 airplanes. (I have a table which writes all these with details but I have to translate it before I gave to you PM if you want tell me the table 575 and I will tranlate and send it).
First thanks for your effort but i know the story.
I am not delusive also-yugoslavs gave weak resistance but they gave rsistance especially in east serbia and macedonia.
You cannot compare success of mobilized army such was greece and army in first stages in mobilization like yugoslav.Greece wasnt encircled from all sides like yugoslavia was,it didnt had complex political situation like yugolsavia,it didnt have national tensions and parts of countries which were openly rebelling...
Greece resisted one axis-italia from 1940.But italia i must state.Italia which had problems with ethiopia-african country.Even albania police inflicted some casulties in 1939 and repulsed several amphibious landings.Partisans of yugoslavia didnt regarded italians as serious opponent and italians were regarded as caricature of warriors and primary source of euipment to capture.So now resistance of Greece doesnt stand as miracle.Although this was still great and i admire greece army.
Our troops also commited invasion in albania to reach greece-zetska divizija captured over 1000 italians and rooted many more although theey couldnt advance much because centauro armored division was opposing them.Right column of kosovska divizija reached skadar passing through prokletije mountains from kosovo.They surrendered 2 days after yugoslavia capitulated as they thought yugoslavia was winning war as they didnt had communications with hq.Even on 12 april when yugoslav army almost totally fall apart italian bersaglieri(as i remember elite troops) battalion Diac in fight with 54. infrantry regiment lost 180 soldiers retreated in mess althought they had tanks with them and ygoslav taken minimal casulties.Vardarska divizija also have number of italians captured.I see pattern here-italians are no serious opposition for determined troops(although yugoslavians were no determined in that time)...

Scenario is for fun.But it will go also for some historical situation and victory of allies is not likely if possible considering german forces.
In my scenario yugoslavia will start with 30 dissent so troops which are already low tech will not have great fighting value.
Can you design basis of scenario-map definition in eug file.You will have chance of playing greece when scenario is finished.
Morale is game is abstraction for speed of reorganisation and not moral of soldiers what you think.
One more thing-what was the purpose of metaxas line if bulgaria could attack you easily in edessa which is plain in game without forts.
 
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The Great Duck said:
The ideology of the government is not always the ideology of the minister.
And I don't think Četniks wanted to set up a democratic government,however they would either return the absolutism like during the 6th January dictatorship of king Alexander,or have Četnik and other nationalist and monarchist politicians have power,with the king being less important,and they would want at least a Serbian hegemony in the country,so I think PA is more reasonable.
Actually, on the St. Sava Congress, on 25-28. January 1944 in village Ba, Četniks agreed that the goal of their fight is to liberate Yugoslavia, and to form it as a federative monarchy. There would be three federal units, Slovenia, Croatia and Serbia, organized on democratic way, with internal autonomy. So I think that Četnik ministers should be democratic.
 
I just made a few Hungarian flags :)

The Hungarian kingdom 1919-1946, communist Hungary 1949-1956, The 1957 Hungarian flag, and the simple Hungarian flag :)

1919-1946:
HUN_1919-1946.jpg

1949-1956:
HUN_1948-1956.jpg

1957:
HUN_1957.jpg

1957-present:
HUN.jpg


PS: I also created flags :)

PS2: Now I'm messing with the revolutionary flag :)