E3 Mod & E3 Map thread

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This post is dedicated to my Slovenian friends.
First, thank you for your cooperation.

Yugoslavia could have many different Tags which depend on politics:
-SHS fascist, paternal autocrat, national socialist (Flag normal, color white- SER grey)
-Communist Yugoslavia Stalinist, Leninist, left wing radical (Flag with red star, color normal)
-Yugoslavia everything else (Flag and color normal)

The tag of the country could TAG could change according to the countries ideology with an event. Yugoslavia could also have claims on Macedonia in Greece and Bulgaria and the province Veneto.

I was also thinking of implementing doulble Yugoslavia, Kingdom and Republic.
But we will discuss that later. I will post my solution later. For now, I will put a WinRAR archive in the mod with all post WWII socialist flags for European countries.
Yugoslavia is going to have claims on Pecs and Szeged, and Aegean Macedonia (Edessa). If you say Veneto, and mean Venice, that cannot be done, as it will ruin the look of Yugoslavia. But one moderator Tracid, is willing to reshape the map in the game, and to split province of Venice into two (or three) parts: Venice, and Istria (and maybe the third could be Trieste). After that, we could talk about Yugoslav iredents on Italy. I am not sure where Yugoslavia should have iredent in Bulgaria.

That's right Delex! What is SFRJ without the red star on it's flag? And since Armagedon suports additional TAGS, I don't see a problem.

EDIT: I think I have an event that transforms USSR into Russia in case of democratic reforms (It works, I checked). I just need to find that sucker and turn it into Yugoslavia.

I completely agree about red-stared flag. It will exist in the mod as an extra feature, or if we implement the system of two Yugoslavias. But later abut that topic.

Another preposition. For partisans between the ww2. After the fall of Beograd, Yugoslavia could get an capitulation event, which would have her secede all provinces to the axis. But the nation wont be annexed, but it would have a imaginary capital (If you played kaiserreich mod you know what I mean). After that you could get events for partisan movements, revolt risk modification,...

I have already thought about that. And we will see that later.

But for now, who of you two would be so kind to rework the names of Slovenian units in unitsnames.csv? I have done it for other YUG countries, but sadly, I do not speak Slovenian.

 

[Daemoncool]

I found two good pictures which we can use as an event pic

Signing the friendship agreement:

Teleki announces that Hungary will not attack Yugoslavia/send aid, accept refugees, etc

 

[Kretoxian]

I found two good pictures which we can use as an event pic

Signing the friendship agreement:

Teleki announces that Hungary will not attack Yugoslavia/send aid, accept refugees, etc

Hey Daemon, could you tell me how to make event pics? thanks.

Oh and BTW i recommend you to take a look at this page, it's, perhaps the best source for flags:

www.worldstatesmen.org

There you will find that Hungary have had much more flags since 1919.

 

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To Kretoxian:
Thank you for your flags. Those will be useful. But I am not sure about the polish one. I think that on Polish socialist flag, the eagle looks on the left side, not right (based to ideological orientation). Today's Polish flag is the yours.

Would these flags do the trick?

Thank you, but I already have those. And I think that the star on the socialist flag is stretched a bit.

I just made a few Hungarian flags

The Hungarian kingdom 1919-1946, communist Hungary 1949-1956, The 1957 Hungarian flag, and the simple Hungarian flag

Excellent. When you finish those, send them here.

 

[Daemoncool]

Hey Daemon, could you tell me how to make event pics? thanks.

Well, I just searced for event_pics directory, selected one of those pic, and then set all of it to green, and I added the pic... but I just see that on the edges the light green may could cause some problems... I start to deal with it

About how to put it in game I don't know for sure Maybe someone around here know it

 

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To Kretoxian:
Thank you for your flags. Those will be useful. But I am not sure about the polish one. I think that on Polish socialist flag, the eagle looks on the left side, not right (based to ideological orientation). Today's Polish flag is the yours.

You're welcome, about the Polish one i took the info from the ultra known worldstatesmen.org, more exactly from here:
www.worldstatesmen.org/Poland.htm and there they say that the forementioned flag was adopted in 1956, and fluttered until 1990.

So it would be an error from the page not mine.

 

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I found two good pictures which we can use as an event pic

Signing the friendship agreement:

Teleki announces that Hungary will not attack Yugoslavia/send aid, accept refugees, etc

Thank you. I will analyze those.

 

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You're welcome, about the Polish one i took the info from the ultra known worldstatesmen.org, more exactly from here:
www.worldstatesmen.org/Poland.htm and there they say that the forementioned flag was adopted in 1956, and fluttered until 1990.

So it would be an error from the page not mine.

Maybe you are right, since pre WWII flag had crown. But I think that I have read in newspaper, that Polish eagle looked to the left during socialist era.

 

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Serbian flag

Not sure you need it but it looks nice I think.

 

[Daemoncool]

Hey Daemon, could you tell me how to make event pics? thanks.

Oh and BTW i recommend you to take a look at this page, it's, perhaps the best source for flags:

www.worldstatesmen.org

There you will find that Hungary have had much more flags since 1919.

Thanks for the link! I searched that Austro-Hungarian flag for a yeeaar

 

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Thank you. But I think that the crown is unnecessary. Not on your flag, it is correct, but in the real life.

 

[Daemoncool]

I was bored, so I made 3 kind of Yugo flags

 

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The firs two we will use. Could you make those in other styles?

 

[Daemoncool]

Yes, for sure! I can do it in Vicky style and in EU3 style Which one you want?

 

[Daemoncool]

In EU3 style:

In Vicky style:

And I made a better version of event pic about the Hungarian-Yugoslav friendship agreement (well, the picture is not exactly about it, but about some agreements between Yugoslavia and Hungary. On the left side of the pic with glasses it's Teleki. The pic made in 16th march 1941. So... we might can say that this pic is the signing of Yugoslav-Hungarian friendship )

PS: If you would like to add distortion effects to the shields, just tell me and I'll do it

 

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Both. Thank you. And could somebody find the Greek socialist flag?
The picture is excellent!

EDIT: I think that EU3 style is the best.
EDIT2: You could try to add distorsion, to see how it looks.

 

[Daemoncool]

Ok!

Heres the modified Yugo flags:

 

[Daemoncool]

Well, I couldn't find any good Greek communist flag, but I saw some KKE flags, etc, so I mixed things, and made fantasy ones. Here it is:

 

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First thanks for your effort but i know the story.
I am not delusive also-yugoslavs gave weak resistance but they gave resistance especially in east serbia and macedonia.
You cannot compare success of mobilized army such was greece and army in first stages in mobilization like yugoslav.Greece wasnt encircled from all sides like yugoslavia was,it didnt had complex political situation like yugolsavia,it didnt have national tensions and parts of countries which were openly rebelling...

I am realy sorry. I did not mean them with this way. It is real that Yogoslavia was attacked from all sides. That what I mean is that in the time line they managed to resist less because Yogoslavia stay alone without any help from an other country (it is writen in the link I gave that <<though on paper the Yugoslav Army was numerically strong - it fielded 28 divisions - much of this strength remained illusory>>) and because of <<In strategic terms the defensive power of the Yugoslav Army was also fundamentally compromised by the fact that it faced hostile Axis powers - Italy (including Albania), the Austrian parts of the Reich, Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria - on three sides.>> Attack from 3 sides!!! You see, Yogoslavia can't resist 3 side attack (and this is normal!).
What I tried to say so long is that the Yogoslavia army 1941 was great but he have no chance. So when you desing it you have to make a trick with supplies (leave it unsupllied or something like that)...

I will edit it so if somebody read it will not have the same misunderstanding.

Can you design basis of scenario-map definition in eug file.You will have chance of playing greece when scenario is finished.
Morale is game is abstraction for speed of reorganisation and not moral of soldiers what you think.
One more thing-what was the purpose of metaxas line if bulgaria could attack you easily in edessa which is plain in game without forts.

I do not understand what you say about morale (explain it better).
I think just that morale must be somethink else and no technological.

Metaxas line resists only for some days.And it is shown with 5 fortress in Sallonika.
We hold 7 months because of the reason you say (we did not attacked such as Yogoslavia from everywhere) but there are some war reports from german military or Soviet Union etc. that said for the unexpected resistance.

 

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Thank you. I know about German intervention in Greece. And indeed there is the morale problem.
I have meant about adding greek alphabet in the ingame font files, so that the names in Greece and Cyprus, could be properly written.
By the way, I have been learning Greek in free time, so I know to read the signs in your images (except that I do not understand everything). But I must ask you a few questions:
is there a rule where is used letter ο, and where ω? And is letter β pronounced as b or v? Anl letter η, is it pronounced as i or e?

Yugoslavia indeed had a large army, but there existed the problem of morale. Only some parts of Slovenia and central and east Serbia gave a significant resistance, until capitulation.
You could analyze the Greek troops in '36/'38/'39. so that we could rework the greece.inc files for those scenarios.

There are many rules... Hm some simple rules for you.
The ω goes in the end of a word if it is verd or adverb
for example θέλω (=want) or καθώς (=while). In the noons goes o ex. άνθρωπος (=human).
As you can see this rule is only for 1-2 last letters.
When using plural also goes ω for exmple "τον" is for 1 "των" for more
the same with ι and η "της" for 1 but "τις" for more.
The letter β pronunced always as v.
And η and all others (ι,υ,ει,οι) pronunced as the e or y in word "easy".

It is interesting what you are thinking about for example the word Metaxas will now writen as Μεταξάς !?

These you say about the troops there aren't a lot to change...
I have an other better idea what about if an army loosing a battle the victorious army to take the loser weapons (if there are better) so the will updated automaticaly!
But as I understand you olny want to make an new scenario. So as I know Mousolini did not send lots of divisions so it would be better to make Italians modifications ..

PS:The sceens you see are from an old book so it is normal not to understanding everything!