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Vladimir II said:
I told you that the greek civil war is not like spanish or germans (I mean that with west and east german), or something like Yogoslavia which now is 5 nations or somethink like that.
It is just a political war. I am going to give you more in future (I have found a lot but I want to verify them better). If you want to saw that a civil war exists the only think you can do is to add rebels in the country for this period.
See that http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/golf/greece1944.htm.
Do you understand me? Rebels only.
Vladimir II said:
The full name of what?
You trouble me.. I told you that they started it as sosialist but they aren't KKE means communist. I just saw you some flag how you have to desing them.
From the sumbol you add in the "greek sosialist flags" I understand that you searching for them.
You can hold only the sumbol which is up from the letters but because you want to add greek letters etc I left them with the KKE writen..
Or something like that
Vladimir II said:
Now I understand.. They are only a party... They didnot make any country!
When I started telling some from history you tell me that you konw the story and I thought that you know everything.. I think that the messenge up from this explains you why I am proposing a party flag.
I haven't understand that you searching for a country flag because there is no country.When it began 2 World War, in Greece prevailed his Dictatorship of Metaxas, which from 1936 had had declared illegal the Communist Party of Greece. As a result many of his members had been jailed or exiled.
In 1946 they are rebels because they want to "separate" Greece. But they did not make a lot. And surely no new country..
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I also created a new propaganda poster for Hungary, because the current one in the game not really shows Hungary's real will in the war... it is just a nazi-arrow cross party propaganda 
Hungary entered in the war with the will to get back the territories which was lost by the treaty of trianon.
So, here's my propaganda:
I might will improve it a bit
Hungary entered in the war with the will to get back the territories which was lost by the treaty of trianon.
So, here's my propaganda:
I might will improve it a bit
Your propaganda poster is better, I think. And could you propose some music for Hungary?Daemoncool said:I also created a new propaganda poster for Hungary, because the current one in the game not really shows Hungary's real will in the war... it is just a nazi-arrow cross party propaganda
Hungary entered in the war with the will to get back the territories which was lost by the treaty of trianon.
So, here's my propaganda:
I might will improve it a bit
Vladimir II said:
Yes!
I will do a search for some music
Here are some 2nd ww videos about the 2nd hungarian royal army:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kTIPiwi4hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMgh0_s5fJE&feature=related
With some typical music on the background
To Isiodos:
I know that there were no two Greeces. Same is in Spanish Civil War. There were only territories controlled by Spanish Republic (represented as Republican Spain) and territories controlled by Franco's fascists (represented by Nationalist Spain). There were no two Spains. The same would be with Greece. The territories controlled by Greek government would be represented by regular HoI Greece, and territories controlled by communist partisans as socialist Greece. And they would be using the socialist flag. And you know that UK and USA were helping the government, while Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania were helping the partisans. If we add all of that, then it could become a real little civil war, and a good feature of this mod.
When I have said that I know the story, I had meant about Italian attack on Greece, and it's occupation, not whole history of Greece, althoug Serbian (Yugoslav) and Greek history are connected.
When I have said "full name" I meant that you write full name of KKE in Greek, so that the meaning of KKE become understandable.
I know that there were no two Greeces. Same is in Spanish Civil War. There were only territories controlled by Spanish Republic (represented as Republican Spain) and territories controlled by Franco's fascists (represented by Nationalist Spain). There were no two Spains. The same would be with Greece. The territories controlled by Greek government would be represented by regular HoI Greece, and territories controlled by communist partisans as socialist Greece. And they would be using the socialist flag. And you know that UK and USA were helping the government, while Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania were helping the partisans. If we add all of that, then it could become a real little civil war, and a good feature of this mod.
When I have said that I know the story, I had meant about Italian attack on Greece, and it's occupation, not whole history of Greece, althoug Serbian (Yugoslav) and Greek history are connected.
When I have said "full name" I meant that you write full name of KKE in Greek, so that the meaning of KKE become understandable.
I'd like to sign up for this mod. I can be advisor for history of Balkan countries (especially Yugoslavia) and I can help with making new events.
As for KKE flag, I suggest the one used by kami in his AAR here.
I can also give advice on Yugoslav tech teams and leaders, as well as flags of all Balkan countries. However, I'm not very good with making graphics, so I could contribute only with suggestions for the flags.
It would be interesting to make an AH scenario in which Yugoslavia fell apart after assasination of King Alexander and the civil war started. It should be standard Serb-Croat-Slovenian gangbanging, with Muslims and Macedonians fighting to keep Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Albania should also join the war, taking Kosovo and with aspirations on Macedonia and Montenegro, while Stip should be taken by Bulgarians. Both Bulgarians and Albanians would be at war with Yugoslavia and Serbia, who will be fighting eachother and Croats. Romania will support the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and Greece will support Serbia. Ottomans could have en event in which they choose whether they should stay neutral or try to use the mess in order to reform the Ottoman Empire.
As for KKE flag, I suggest the one used by kami in his AAR here.
I can also give advice on Yugoslav tech teams and leaders, as well as flags of all Balkan countries. However, I'm not very good with making graphics, so I could contribute only with suggestions for the flags.
It would be interesting to make an AH scenario in which Yugoslavia fell apart after assasination of King Alexander and the civil war started. It should be standard Serb-Croat-Slovenian gangbanging, with Muslims and Macedonians fighting to keep Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Albania should also join the war, taking Kosovo and with aspirations on Macedonia and Montenegro, while Stip should be taken by Bulgarians. Both Bulgarians and Albanians would be at war with Yugoslavia and Serbia, who will be fighting eachother and Croats. Romania will support the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and Greece will support Serbia. Ottomans could have en event in which they choose whether they should stay neutral or try to use the mess in order to reform the Ottoman Empire.
To Daemoncool: All right. I will look at it. Try to find military marches, but you could find also some art music such are composition of Johannes Brahms, Bela Bartok, or ethno music, like csardas, etc. Thank you.
First of all let's calm..
My english are not the best in the world so I have a problem translating some thinks. I have no attacking mod.. (I think that you understand like that some thinks)
Oh ! Yes?
There are not 2 Spains but 1 Republican and 1 National Spain..
1+1= 1 :rofl: ? Could you explain me that.
(Now I have a commentary mod :rofl: )
It is just a funny joke to calm down..
Yes I understand you. There is not 2 countries but 1 divorced in their interior and you tell me that you want to do the same with Greece.
In Greece there are no territories meanings! There are only some rebels if you had seen the link I gave you http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/golf/greece1944.htm (I found a lot (links) but it's the only says so few), I know that the REBELS was supported from Yogoslavia , Albania etc.
But as Country exist from the "control" (or better support) of UK (and USA)
As you know when the 2 WW finised UK etc seperate who will controled by how. Greece goes to UK and USA but this did not like in KKE and the only think they managed to do is in their newspaper (Rizospastis) to make some annousements and the were supported by Yogoslavia etc...
[KKE is the same like as Lenin's (and others like him) ideas in Soviet Union so I think (correct me if I am wrong) that Yogoslavia etc went with Soviet Union after war as a result they support the KKE]
But I want to search some think on this and I would tell you later for 100% sure..
Think clever .. USA have won a world war , do you think that Yogoslavia wants a debut opposite USA ? They just support the rebels because KKE said that some of greek provinences have to be free etc They did not help them at all.
Here is a territory meaning but they tell that these areas must be a different country.
And they (KKE) where opposite in the ideas of a King or a Monarch , and in USA.
I want to search in this point some things but as I understand (and knowing their belives) they were opposite only for being with no substantive. It happens in politics but I want to search some think to be sure that it is only for that. I am not 100% sure. These last 4 lines are what I understand searching, I want to ask somebody more informed and I will tell you.
See that (it is from the link):
As you understand the civil war started in 1945-46 but the have no force beforce they start.
So I do not know when I have to tell what happend and when no. That's all I mean.
I don't know a lot details yet and I tell you that I want to verify everythink before tell it , so I am searching a lot before tell you everythink. There is no shame if somebody do not know somethink..
For civil war in the books I searched there are not lots of thinks telling. So it must not be so important. For example in the last book I looked were 8 pages and all exept from the last talks about politics . The last page talks about 40.000-80.000 kills which are because of kleftopolemo as it said.
[kleftopolemos = like the war doing Greece 1821 opposite Turkey go to the base kill and still quick and after that again in the mountain). But the rebels did not kill so many. Think that the army's people killed was 8.000 and the rebels 38.000. But from calculation have done it is belived that the sum of kills were about 80.000 (I am telling about 40.000 - 80.000)]
You troubled me because I told you that KKE means "Communistic Party Greece" .
I did not have tell you that in greek translated Kommounistiko Komma Ellados (=Κομμουνιστικό Κόμμα Ελλάδας), and you propably did not understand why the KKE from CPG... But now it's OK..
My english are not the best in the world so I have a problem translating some thinks. I have no attacking mod.. (I think that you understand like that some thinks)
Vladimir II said:
Oh ! Yes?
There are not 2 Spains but 1 Republican and 1 National Spain..
1+1= 1 :rofl: ? Could you explain me that.
(Now I have a commentary mod :rofl: )
It is just a funny joke to calm down..
Yes I understand you. There is not 2 countries but 1 divorced in their interior and you tell me that you want to do the same with Greece.
In Greece there are no territories meanings! There are only some rebels if you had seen the link I gave you http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/golf/greece1944.htm (I found a lot (links) but it's the only says so few), I know that the REBELS was supported from Yogoslavia , Albania etc.
But as Country exist from the "control" (or better support) of UK (and USA)
As you know when the 2 WW finised UK etc seperate who will controled by how. Greece goes to UK and USA but this did not like in KKE and the only think they managed to do is in their newspaper (Rizospastis) to make some annousements and the were supported by Yogoslavia etc...
[KKE is the same like as Lenin's (and others like him) ideas in Soviet Union so I think (correct me if I am wrong) that Yogoslavia etc went with Soviet Union after war as a result they support the KKE]
But I want to search some think on this and I would tell you later for 100% sure..
They have no territory (I mean the rebels)!Vladimir II said:
Help the partisants.. OK. Then you can add somethink like as the "support revolt" like as in EU3.Vladimir II said:
Think clever .. USA have won a world war , do you think that Yogoslavia wants a debut opposite USA ? They just support the rebels because KKE said that some of greek provinences have to be free etc They did not help them at all.
Here is a territory meaning but they tell that these areas must be a different country.
And they (KKE) where opposite in the ideas of a King or a Monarch , and in USA.
I want to search in this point some things but as I understand (and knowing their belives) they were opposite only for being with no substantive. It happens in politics but I want to search some think to be sure that it is only for that. I am not 100% sure. These last 4 lines are what I understand searching, I want to ask somebody more informed and I will tell you.
See that (it is from the link):
As you understand the civil war started in 1945-46 but the have no force beforce they start.
I just don't know what you know and what not.Vladimir II said:
So I do not know when I have to tell what happend and when no. That's all I mean.
I don't know a lot details yet and I tell you that I want to verify everythink before tell it , so I am searching a lot before tell you everythink. There is no shame if somebody do not know somethink..
For civil war in the books I searched there are not lots of thinks telling. So it must not be so important. For example in the last book I looked were 8 pages and all exept from the last talks about politics . The last page talks about 40.000-80.000 kills which are because of kleftopolemo as it said.
[kleftopolemos = like the war doing Greece 1821 opposite Turkey go to the base kill and still quick and after that again in the mountain). But the rebels did not kill so many. Think that the army's people killed was 8.000 and the rebels 38.000. But from calculation have done it is belived that the sum of kills were about 80.000 (I am telling about 40.000 - 80.000)]
You troubled me because I told you that KKE means "Communistic Party Greece" .
I did not have tell you that in greek translated Kommounistiko Komma Ellados (=Κομμουνιστικό Κόμμα Ελλάδας), and you propably did not understand why the KKE from CPG... But now it's OK..
Vladimir II said:
Wrong. As spanish I know that the two Spains existed and still exist in a moderate context. The Civil war was beetwen the Radical Left-wing selfcalled "Republicans" and the radical Right-wing (Not fascist, there was all the democrat monarchists, for example) selfcalled "Nationals".
And the nationals create a State. They didn't were only a group of rebels all the war.
Viden said:
Thank you , for support!
But as I understand (and I explain after my joke) he propably means that you are Spain both two but with different politics belives.
But you are propably right as you are from Spain!!
Firstly, we will not argue. We are friends here, not enemies. This is afrienfly discussion about how to simulate history of WWII era on Balkan penisula and beyond. My suggestions are not obligatory, just possible solutions solutions.
Secondly,
And for the alternate outcomes, we will see later.
To Isiodos: All right thera were no two Greeces. It was only my solution. And I fully support your efforts to finding out all historical data about Greece, as it is very useful. But are you sure that there were no any regions of Greece controlled by partisans? And do you have any ideas about Greek music?
To Viden: All right, I am sorry. I have not known that. You certainly know all the facts better than I do.
P.S. Thank you for supporting our efforts of preserving territorial integrity of our country; in your signature.
Secondly,
Thank you for joining us. Your help is welcome. Especially with leaders, if you could find images. And techteams. But first you should look at the previous pages, to see which techteams already exist.stefanmg said:
And for the alternate outcomes, we will see later.
To Isiodos: All right thera were no two Greeces. It was only my solution. And I fully support your efforts to finding out all historical data about Greece, as it is very useful. But are you sure that there were no any regions of Greece controlled by partisans? And do you have any ideas about Greek music?
To Viden: All right, I am sorry. I have not known that. You certainly know all the facts better than I do.
P.S. Thank you for supporting our efforts of preserving territorial integrity of our country; in your signature.
New propaganda poster for Hungary
If you would like to use it, I can upload it
PS: Békerevízió=Peacerevision
PS2: I uploaded an Hungarian march, called: Klapka induló (induló=march).
http://files.filefront.com/30+Egressy+Klapka+indmp3/;9784383;/fileinfo.html
If you would like to use it, I can upload it
PS: Békerevízió=Peacerevision
PS2: I uploaded an Hungarian march, called: Klapka induló (induló=march).
http://files.filefront.com/30+Egressy+Klapka+indmp3/;9784383;/fileinfo.html
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Vladimir II said:
I will check it about partisants. I am almost sure , but I will check it again just for you..
About music something instrumental propably. I will check it and I am going to inform you.... I have already somethink in my mind..
About that you say I think that it is better to discuss and to be friendly "trapped" about the history of WWII , from just chating or wasting our time.
It is a hight level discussion!!!
I'd like to help too. I could make some events especially about Hungary and Transsylvania. Am I could help in creating new countries and flags for them.
Daemoncool:
In my opinion, this picture is better, could you get it in bigger resolution?
Daemoncool:
In my opinion, this picture is better, could you get it in bigger resolution?
molace said:I'd like to help too. I could make some events especially about Hungary and Transsylvania. Am I could help in creating new countries and flags for them.
Daemoncool:
In my opinion, this picture is better, could you get it in bigger resolution?
No problem!
or
Vladimir II said:
No problem. The performance of Kosovo to Serbia is the same that the Confederated States do with the US, but with less legitimacy. Altough, obviously, the White House doesn't mention this detail...
And the actions of our european "colleagues" give shame. Serbia extends to us a hand (A glad thing, me thinks) and we cut it...
And Putin? Focuses on to say stupidities like comparing this case with Spain, where the secesionist are a very small percentage of the population in Catalonia, Galicia or Euskadi.
EDIT: Sorry by the Off-topic.