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Originally posted by Admiral Yi
Some German Baron gets bunch of money from England, forms army. Advances on St. Petersburg. Troskty gives speech, Bolsheviks win. Baron retreats to Estonia, Estonia offers to disband army in exchange for independence, Bolsheviks say OK.
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Some German Baron (err... local german baron) gets some money from England, takes over Latvia, trys to take over Estonia, we kick his butt and kick it badly, germans surrender and thanks to us a little thingie called Latvia ever existed.

Former officer of Russian army, general errr.. Judenitch forms a small army, and with help from Estonians trys to take St.Peterburg. But failure to conquer Kronstadt makes it impossible.

And bolsheviks were just crushed by our armed forces (thanks to English aid though). And bolsheviks had war on was it eight fronts and just suffered total destruction in Poland. So they decided that it was wise to make peace. Btw, in later part the war took place in mostly Russian territory.
 
To continue that Russian Civil War/October Revolution line, some continental powers did intervene in it. Namely, a division of imperial german troops were deployed in southern Finland towards the end of the local Reds vs. The rest Civil war (which was about to be resolved at that time with the Whites about to take over the last regions held by the reds).
Highly unsurprisingly,the Finns were also more or less discreetly encouraged to try to intervene in the battle for St Petersburg, though after some deliberation there were no takers , mostly due to the fact that by that time the Bolsheviks were already gaining the upper hand in the region (and it's generally not wise to piss off a superpower with 20 times your population if you happen to be a small country right next door to their capital. At that time the Finnish border was something like 50 km away from St. Petersburg.)
As I recall Finns and Estonians seem to have exchanged one sort of military aid or another more than once. Some troops traveled back and forth first during the WW1 (and the following/overlapping respective independence wars) and then later on when Estonia was annexed by the soviets during WW2 quite a few volunteers slipped over into Finland to carry on the fight against the Soviets where they could ( in addition to sizable contingents of Swedish volunteers which seemed to have appeared every time there's been a war in Finland ).

And as to the language issue, I'm a native Finnish speaker and I have to confess I havent got a clue about Estonian. It has an annoyingly familiar sound to it but never quite close enough to actually understand it. :)

PS. Hjarg... you wouldnt happen to have a fast net connection, the lines over the gulf of Finland are usually pretty fast. (read: multi game?)
 
You got it, Tijlehto, have DSL. Mail me to hjarg@hot.ee and let's figure out the details. Joskus pääsiaisten aikana?

I understand Finnish almoust as well as Estonian. They are quite similar, with small differences. The best one is imho in estonian "ruumid on koristatud" means that the rooms have been cleaned, but in finnish "ruumit on koristeltu" means that the corpses have been decorated :D And poor finnish-speaking staff of Estonian hotels does this mistake quite often :)

There were Finnish voulunteers in our independance war just like there were ours on your winter war+wwii. Some people just have to help eachother to kill these russians :)
 
...about Eastern Prussia today. I assume you are speaking of the Kaliningrad enclave. I'd be interested to hear more about it. I read however that there are only like 200 germans (90 year old ones) left there... so the enclave must be for all practical purposes 100% Russian. (well you always have some gypsies, jews, etc).
 
Originally posted by the_kinkajou
...about Eastern Prussia today. I assume you are speaking of the Kaliningrad enclave. I'd be interested to hear more about it. I read however that there are only like 200 germans (90 year old ones) left there... so the enclave must be for all practical purposes 100% Russian. (well you always have some gypsies, jews, etc).
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Nothing much to tell... I think you are too optimistic about that 200 germans. The place looks desolated and there is a lot of ruins and soviet-style arhitecture (which is much not better then ruins). People are poor, roads are in bad condition, etc. Sad, sad place. I don't want to go there ever again. And belive me, you don't want to go there either.:(
 
I recently read a book called "The Vanished Kingdom: Travels Through the History of Prussia" by James Roy. It's supposed to be a "popular history" of Prussia and is rather lightweight, but does contain some interesting impressions of the author on his trips to modern Kaliningrad/Konigsberg and the surrounding area in "Russia" and Poland. He seemed to think that the inhabitants of Kaliningrad, although ethnic Russians, don't have much of an attachment to the Russian nation.
 
You're right about that one. People, even though they spoke Russian, felt more like errr.. prussian or german. They were actually proud of this city, proud of it's history, proud of a fack that Kant used to lecture in university there etc. Assimilation, i'd say.

Sad place anyway. But a sad place with lots of nukes.
 
Originally posted by payn


... it's always better to be a smartass than an idiot, right?
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Hey, I like that, and wish I'd said it! In fact, in a month or so, I'll think I had! :)

My version will be "It's better to look like a smartass than an idiot" (of course, in my case, its both :()
 
Originally posted by Pomerania Prince
Starting 1300 a.d Teutonic Knights ( German Templars ) started to conquer, subdigate, eliminate and eventually exterminate one of the Baltic nation ' Prussians'. These people were not Slavs or Germans, they did belong to the same language group as today's Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians.
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Errr, Estonians belongs to the same groups as Finns and Hungarians,

Called Ugro-Finnish
 
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Originally posted by Maur13
Originally posted by Pomerania Prince
Starting 1300 a.d Teutonic Knights ( German Templars ) started to conquer, subdigate, eliminate and eventually exterminate one of the Baltic nation ' Prussians'. These people were not Slavs or Germans, they did belong to the same language group as today's Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians.

Errr, Estonians belongs to the same groups as Finns and Hungarians,

Called Ugro-Finnish
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you are correct. I made a mistake..sorry:eek:
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