EEP British Isles

[Johnny Canuck]

This thread will serve as the primary thread for discussing EEP-related events, leaders, monarchs, etc. dealing with any nation that existed or may have existed in the British Isles. Unless anyone has any objections, I will serve as Threadmaster for it. In order to ensure adequate coordination & organization between various EEP British Isles events, I would like
everyone with any EEP British Isles files to submit them to me rather than directly to Crook. I
will take all submitted files, combine them into one EEP British Isles submission, & send it to Crook. Other than changing IDs to ensure no ID conflicts, I promise not to alter events without the permission of those who originally created them, & I will ensure all involved receive credit for their work, both in the events file & the overall EEP readme. If more than one event set is submitted for any given historical event (such as the War of the Roses), then I will allow the discussion in the EEP British Isles thread to guide how the various submissions should be merged.

After collecting all events & organizing them into one file, I intend to use IDs in the range of 20000 through 21999. It is not necessary that event files submitted to me also use IDs in that range, but I will shortly post a list of those IDs that have already been used in the above range. For now, leader & monarch IDs will be dealt with on an ad hoc basis.

Also note that those events that are in the current version of the EEP are by no means set in stone, & are open to further discussion if some feel changes are warranted. Please refer to the EEP download for those issues & events that have already been worked on.

My e-mail address is wesley_ferris@hotmail.com. Please contact me if you have any suggestions, comments, or concerns regarding this or anything else to do with the EEP British Isles thread. I look forward to some interesting discussions!

 

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Thanks Johnny.

One thing though, if you feel the event is in one way or the other unbalancing, by all means do edit it! Credit will be given to the original creator anyways, however, game balance is more important, as well as leaving a hole for a human to sneak out.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by Crook
Thanks Johnny.

One thing though, if you feel the event is in one way or the other unbalancing, by all means do edit it! Credit will be given to the original creator anyways, however, game balance is more important, as well as leaving a hole for a human to sneak out.

I will be offering my suggestions on any event submitted or discussed. However, I would like to work by consensus as much as possible. Obviously, if a given event is severely unbalancing, I will do something about it, but I don't want to do this very often. Judging by the discussions on EEP British Isles events so far, there shouldn't be much trouble with that.

 

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Hello,

My name is Jacques de Aquitaine. I am a representative of the king of France. I will be serving as a diplomatic envoy should you have questions, require coordination, or for some other reason desire to speak with my king. I place myself at your service, your highness.

 

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Jaques de Aquitaine

Boy, some heavy role-playing here

 

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Yeah. It would have been much smoother had I spelled Jacques with the "c". Had to fix that in on my post.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by ryoken69
Hello,

My name is Jacques de Aquitaine. I am a representative of the king of France. I will be serving as a diplomatic envoy should you have questions, require coordination, or for some other reason desire to speak with my king. I place myself at your service, your highness.

Sounds good to me, ryoken69, erm, uh, I should say, envoy of his most French Majesty!

 

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Johnny Canuck,

I'm a man on a mission to eventually have Canada included in at least EEP, if not EU2 itself.

I'd like to add an event for England, starting in 1791 or so, with a trigger that England not be at war with USA, but that USA exist. The event text would read "with the loss of the US colonies, there was a movement to reorganize the rest of Britian's North American holdings".

A) No, our current system is Fine - do nothing.
B) Establish the Dominion of Canada - set Canada free as a vassal.

Just to be clear - establishing Canada would be the alternate choice, but this would make it possible for it to occur.

What do you think? I have a few ideas for other events, but they'd have to go in the North America thread.

BarristerBoy

 

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The King of France wonders how Barrister Boy got a hold of our Canadian possessions?

 

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Originally posted by ryoken69
The King of France wonders how Barrister Boy got a hold of our Canadian possessions?

Why thanks to Major-General James Wolfe and his victory at the Battle at the Plains of Abraham over the Marquis de Montcalm!

BarristerBoy

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Richard Cromwell 8-8-9? I always thought of him as a somewhat inefectual nobody with no interest in government. On the other hand I don't know how astute the powers behind the throne were.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy


Why thanks to Major-General James Wolfe and his victory at the Battle at the Plains of Abraham over the Marquis de Montcalm!

BarristerBoy

And God Bless the Major-General for it!

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy
Johnny Canuck,

I'm a man on a mission to eventually have Canada included in at least EEP, if not EU2 itself.

I'd like to add an event for England, starting in 1791 or so, with a trigger that England not be at war with USA, but that USA exist. The event text would read "with the loss of the US colonies, there was a movement to reorganize the rest of Britian's North American holdings".

A) No, our current system is Fine - do nothing.
B) Establish the Dominion of Canada - set Canada free as a vassal.

Just to be clear - establishing Canada would be the alternate choice, but this would make it possible for it to occur.

What do you think? I have a few ideas for other events, but they'd have to go in the North America thread.

BarristerBoy

Naturally I like the idea of including Canada in the EEP! The one thing is that I am not sure if there has been any decision on whether or not the EEP will start using the user-defined tags and/or if there are any rules for their use. I will push for Canada, though!

I like the idea of the 1791 event for Canada. I might have choice A be creating Upper & Lower Canada as formal colonies, choice B have Quebec remain in control of the Great Lakes, & choice C establish the Dominion of Canada with responsible self-government within the Empire.

If choice C is taken, there would probably have to be an event for the War of 1812 specifically for Canada to ensure that if the US attacks Canada, Britain comes to her aid.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Count Six - I like your ideas on adjusting some of the ratings for some of the English monarchs. Your WOTR changes all make sense. I agree with Mary I & Elizabeth. The Stuarts do seem to be a bit high on the military rating. James II & the Young Pretender were completely useless commanders. I agree with Lambert Simnel that Richard Cromwell's rating are a bit too high. It was not that he was a bad leader. He showed some competence in the first months of his reign. However, he was handicapped by (a) problems left over from the early 1650s (esp. high debt), & (b) lacking the authority and gravitas of his father. Essentially, the Protectorate was already doomed. I'd give Richard Cromwell MIL-4, ADM-5, DIP-6 (he had the grace to step aside peacefully when he realized the end was at hand). For George III, I would probably keep him as is. I created events for each PM after Pitt the Younger that adjust the ratings accordingly. Perhaps there could be a Bute event that lowers them at the start of the reign. George III is a tricky character. He was almost universally reviled for the first decades of his reign, & then after Louis XVI lost his head, George III became enormously popular. Go figure.

 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
Johnny Canuck,

I'm a man on a mission to eventually have Canada included in at least EEP, if not EU2 itself.

I'd like to add an event for England, starting in 1791 or so, with a trigger that England not be at war with USA, but that USA exist. The event text would read "with the loss of the US colonies, there was a movement to reorganize the rest of Britian's North American holdings".

A) No, our current system is Fine - do nothing.
B) Establish the Dominion of Canada - set Canada free as a vassal.

Just to be clear - establishing Canada would be the alternate choice, but this would make it possible for it to occur.

What do you think? I have a few ideas for other events, but they'd have to go in the North America thread.

BarristerBoy

Why is this event needed? Can't England release Canada as a vassal already, if she chooses?

 

[Lambert Simnel]

The Stuarts do seem to be a bit high on the military rating. James II & the Young Pretender were completely useless commanders

Due to the actual in game effects monarchs military ratings do not, or at least should not, represent leadership ability, but how well they looked after the state of their nations armed forces as a whole. Thus a monarch who built up an impressive army but got his head handed to him when leading in person would be represented by a poor leader and a high MIL monarch.

Of course if, as with Charles Edward Stuart, his record as a general is just about all you have to go on, then you might as well use that.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by Lambert Simnel


Due to the actual in game effects monarchs military ratings do not, or at least should not, represent leadership ability, but how well they looked after the state of their nations armed forces as a whole. Thus a monarch who built up an impressive army but got his head handed to him when leading in person would be represented by a poor leader and a high MIL monarch.

Of course if, as with Charles Edward Stuart, his record as a general is just about all you have to go on, then you might as well use that.

Good point on a monarch's military ratings. I would still say that the Stuarts weren't particularly good at this, except maybe for Charles II & the Dutch Wars (although these wars weren't exactly sparkling victories).

Count Six - One other note on Richard Cromwell. You should perhaps use an ID tag other than 00007 for him. Officially, ID tags below 15000 are reserved for Paradox use in future patches. Just assign him an ID above 15000, & I can make sure it doesn't conflict with anything else.

 

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The Nastyness of the salic ruler events has gotten me thinking of ways around it. One would be if Eizabeth was to be married because then there would be a king and the Salic Law would not be in effect. Since Elizabeth was able to avoid being forced to be married due to strong willpower and a strong central government the trigger would be that centralization not be even moderate. I'm thinking that since it starts at 0 a centralization of 2 or less would probably allow the nobles to make her marry someone. There should probably be two events, one for just England and one for the United Kingdoms of England and France.
There should be four choices in each event. Who were some unmarried bigshots at the time? Each choice should effect relations and DP settings. A royal marriage is of course a deffinate maybe vassalization if the land is real small. To allow the monarch files to go back to normal we'll assume that Elizabeth is barren.

 

[Shadowstrike]

Despite being Canadian and all, a Canada event in 1791 isn't very ralistic at all. The first calls for this kind of self determination came later, around 1820. Fact is that before then, "Ontario" was still mostly unsettled wilderness (which was being quickly colonized by Loyalists, but still) and any sort of parilmentary government (which was the whole purpose of creating Canada) would have been dominated by the French, not something that the Atlantic provinces woud willingly accept.

 

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Originally posted by Johnny Canuck


Naturally I like the idea of including Canada in the EEP! The one thing is that I am not sure if there has been any decision on whether or not the EEP will start using the user-defined tags and/or if there are any rules for their use. I will push for Canada, though!

I like the idea of the 1791 event for Canada. I might have choice A be creating Upper & Lower Canada as formal colonies, choice B have Quebec remain in control of the Great Lakes, & choice C establish the Dominion of Canada with responsible self-government within the Empire.

If choice C is taken, there would probably have to be an event for the War of 1812 specifically for Canada to ensure that if the US attacks Canada, Britain comes to her aid.

Good to hear!

So far I actually haven't found anyone really using the user-defined tags. I don't know if it has even come up in EEP before.

I think 1791 is probably the right year for such an event. In 1791 Britain passed the Constitutional Act establishing Upper Canada as a separate colony. There's no real reason why an alternate choice couldn't have been to pass the British North America Act and found the Dominion of Canada instead.

JC your suggestion is pretty good, but I can't figure out what the practical game effects of A and B would be. My initial thought was to have A do nothing, not to have a B, and have C simply set Canada free as a vassal - no other effect. Any ideas?

I'll probably try and muddle my way through an event text and post it later this evening.

Pishtaco, you asked why such an event would be necessary. The reason is that the AI never sets countries free as a vassal except through events. Without such an event Canada would never appear unless a human player controlled Britain. And yes, Canada is ahistoric in this time period so should no appear very often, but it would make things more interesting to have it appear occasionally.

BarristerBoy