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originally posted by Emir
changing avatar on weekly basis is fun
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I might be wrong, but I have only seen You with countries somehow related to Turkey???:D :D Thus not a big change after all!!!:D :D

Cherioooo:D :D
 
post-1793 events?

Maur13, will you be creating fantasy events for a post-1793 Poland? Maybe Poland could ally with Napoleonic France against its absolutist neighbors? Or, Poland could overtly support the American Revolution, instead of Kosciusko and Pulaski taking the initiative themselves.
I don't know about a German-Polish culture; wasn't Silesia pretty well Germanized by 1419? Galicia, Podolia and Volyn should become Polish at some point though. As for the province in Hungary called "Ruthenia," didn't the area become more predominantly Slovakian under the Habsburgs?
 
Re: post-1793 events?

Originally posted by ejs5
Maur13, will you be creating fantasy events for a post-1793 Poland? Maybe Poland could ally with Napoleonic France against its absolutist neighbors? Or, Poland could overtly support the American Revolution, instead of Kosciusko and Pulaski taking the initiative themselves.
I don't know about a German-Polish culture; wasn't Silesia pretty well Germanized by 1419? Galicia, Podolia and Volyn should become Polish at some point though. As for the province in Hungary called "Ruthenia," didn't the area become more predominantly Slovakian under the Habsburgs?
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Yes, i plan to add many more events, including those fantasy post 1795 ;).
Well, not so much fantasy, as Poles were fighting alongside France. It will all depends at which state Poland is in XVIII century, ie: what were the earlier choices.
Silesia wasn't Germanized by 1419, it was half German, half Polish. Danzig area, except the city itself, was almost completly Polish. eastern Pommerania had Polish minority, while in Kustrin i doubt there were many Poles. But i doubt that if that those areas woud be regained by Poland, there would be any difficulty in absorbing it, like decreased income or higher revolt risk.
Well, Ruthenia were Slovak/Magyar/Romanian/Ruthenian province. Not in that order, of course. And i don't know much about it ethnic history, especialy about history of EU province area, so i didn't touch it.
 
Ah, about Galicia, Volyn, and Podolia (and Lithuania, actually). While city population and elites of that provinces became polonized during the game, population as a whole remained as was before. And it won't change anything, since Poland have Ruthenian culture, except lowering income for Ukraine in case they went independent.

Btw, i will post readme.txt with all changes I(or rather we, as i talked with Mamut about those)made lately.
 
Culture changes:

Aleppo-Arabic(from Syrian)
Lithuania-Baltic(from Lithuanian)
Wielikia, Polotsk, Smolensk, Mozyr, Volyn, Chernigov, Ukraine, Belgorod, Krementjug, Jedisan, Poltava, Donetsk-Ruthenian(from Lithuanian and Ukrainian)
Prussia, Danzig, Pommerania, Kustrin, Silesi-German/Polish(from German and Baltic)
Banat-Magyar(from Slavonic)
Moravia-Czech(from Slovak)

Removed Transylwania and Prussia. Added Duchy of Mazovia as Polish vassal, Moldavia made Polish vassal, Danzig and Prussian provinces to Teutonic Order, Polotsk to Lithuania, lowered relations between Teutonic Order and Mazovia, Poland and Lithuania.

State Cultures:
Lithuania: Baltic and Ruthenian
Poland: Polish, German/Polish, Ruthenian
Hungary: Magyar, Slavonic, Slovak
Added German/Polish as state culture of:
Teutonic Order, Brandenburg, Pommerania, Mecklemburg, Magdeburg, Saxony, Hannower, Hessen, Wurzburg, Oldenburg, Bremen, Holstein
Added Polish as state culture of Pommerania.

CB shields:
Poland: Removed from Lithuania except Volyn and Jedisan. Added on Memel, Prussia, Pommerania, Kustrin and Silesia.
Lithuania: Added on Donetsk, Podolia, Podlasia, Galicia, Kurland.
Teutoniac Order: Added on Danzig, Prussia, Memel, Kurlan
Brandenburg: Added on Hinterrpommern (eastern, damn, i can't memorize which is which)

Religion:Galicia and Podolia are orthodox now.

COT: There are Cot's in Anglia and Seville from the beginning. This is because of not working events.

Plans:Hungary CB shield on Galicia and Podolia?
TO shields on Ingermanland and Polotsk?
 
Btw, What is that with Odenburg province? This area(ie:Area which this province occupy on EU II map) was Magyar-populated, in 1419, but since it's German, i suppose Odenburg is Austrian city, right?
 
One more question. What should be the trigger for Union of Lublin? Having it happening at exact date isn't that good, IMO.

EDIT/Another question:D. What would be the effects of Union of Hadziacz?
 
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Originally posted by Maur13
One more question. What should be the trigger for Union of Lublin? Having it happening at exact date isn't that good, IMO.

EDIT/Another question:D. What would be the effects of Union of Hadziacz?
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For Union of Hadziacz primary effect should be addition of Ukrainian as Polish State Culture. Problem is that you have eliminated that culture.
Other effects: additional manpower and perhaps additional military units in Ukrainian provinces (o represent increased number of Registered Cossacks in the Polish Army). Perhaps you could gain a conscription center in Ukraine for the same reason, but I'm afraid there is no command for that.
On a negative side th Union should cause revolts in some Ukrainian provinces (to represent supporters of Union with Russia) and worsening of relations with Russia (perhaps including temporay CB).
One more thing could be deacrease of serfdom value of your DP setting to represent more rights of a total Ukrainian population. But I'm not sure whether it should affect the whole country.
 
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For Union of Hadziacz primary effect should be addition of Ukrainian as Polish State Culture. Problem is that you have eliminated that culture.
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Yes, i know:D
Originally posted by Jan Zamojski
Other effects: additional manpower and perhaps additional military units in Ukrainian provinces (o represent increased number of Registered Cossacks in the Polish Army). Perhaps you could gain a conscription center in Ukraine for the same reason, but I'm afraid there is no command for that.
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Hmmm, sounds interesting. This command will work with 1.02, AFAIK.
Originally posted by Jan Zamojski
On a negative side th Union should cause revolts in some Ukrainian provinces (to represent supporters of Union with Russia) and worsening of relations with Russia (perhaps including temporay CB).
One more thing could be deacrease of serfdom value of your DP setting to represent more rights of a total Ukrainian population. But I'm not sure whether it should affect the whole country.
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What about revolts in Polish provinces, by enemies of Union?Maybe general revoltrisk?
 
Increased revoltrisk in Poland as a result of Union of Hadziacz - that sounds reasonable.

The main problem is that after you eliminated Ukrainian culture and made Ruthenian Polish state culture, you would end with the set of choices that would make it very easy if not obvious choice to not to enact Union, as you get too much trouble for very little in return.
 
Originally posted by Maur13
One more question. What should be the trigger for Union of Lublin? Having it happening at exact date isn't that good, IMO.
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That's right. Especially as we know that in 1492 scenario Poland and Lithuania are already unified. The problem is that none of available triggers seems to be propoer for portrying increased integartion of the two countries that ultimately led to the Union of Lublin.

Perhaps the best way would be the write a separte event (based for example on the Krakow-Wilno Union of 1499) that would give you an earlier chance to integrate two countries. Triggers should be: military alliance and very good relations which are both easily obtainable and perhaps good level of stability and peace of course (you rarely make large scale internal revolts during stromy times). There should also be more resistance in Lithuania against that union to represent stronger independence faction certainly present in Lithuania at the end of XVth cty.
 
Hmmm, you say that only relations and alliance? Well, since POL and LIT start with alliance, and +190 relations, this would end in very early union... Another trigger is needed.

Stronger resistance in XV makes sense.

And yes, i know i merged Ruthenian and Ukrainian cultures. And i'm pretty convinced it should be that way. I'm yet to see anything stating that people on different banks of Dniepr were that much different. Though you're right it elimanted excellent command for Hadziacz' union:D
 
I know that triggers for early Union are quite easy, but I don't see anything better at the moment (except for high stability which might be more difficult to achieve). That's why I suggest to generate more negative effects of the earlier Union to make people think if it pays off. As AI chooses option A 85% of time anyway, option A should be not to enact Union (which is historical anyway).

I agree that people on both banks of Dniepr didn't differ that much. But Ruthenians from the Hungarian province of Ruthenia seem to me quite different than Cossacks from Ukraine (even if they used to have common roots).
 
Maur, I've just seen Havard answering (in another thread) one of my questions related to your proposed cultural changes in Poland. You can't create any new cultures for the game on your own. So you can't get these Polish/German or Polish/German/Czech cultures.
 
Originally posted by Jan Zamojski
I know that triggers for early Union are quite easy, but I don't see anything better at the moment (except for high stability which might be more difficult to achieve). That's why I suggest to generate more negative effects of the earlier Union to make people think if it pays off. As AI chooses option A 85% of time anyway, option A should be not to enact Union (which is historical anyway).

I agree that people on both banks of Dniepr didn't differ that much. But Ruthenians from the Hungarian province of Ruthenia seem to me quite different than Cossacks from Ukraine (even if they used to have common roots).
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Yes, surely AI would choose not to enact Union. So, maybe negative effects, like Lithuanian opposition would be enough.

Ah, yes, That i agree. They are indeed different (actually, they-Rusyns, as they call themselves in English today, expereience sort of cultural rennaisance today). But the cultural/ethnic border between them and modern Ukrainians isn't the river Dniepr. They live in (EU terms) Ruthenia province, and parts of Galicia and Podolia-actually, this area is so totally wrong, that it's even hard to say. So, to be more correct, there should be two cultures indeed, but specific provinces are still wrong (not to mention today Belarus, which has nothing to do with Ruthenian/Ukrainian case)
And about Havard. I know there cultures can't be added. But they can be changed into another (text.csv). So, it's perfectly doable even if we would leave Rusin culture in Ruthenia, because the second most important change i proposed was mergin Lithuanian culture into Baltic-which is quite obvious, as Lithuanian are Balts. So, there is still one free slot, which can be used for G/P culture.

btw, what was the name of that thread? Or do you have a link to it?
 
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