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I think Poland should get:
Eventname = Jan z Kolna / Johannes Scolnus
Country = POL
Description = Some blah-blah about the new explorer
Trigger = date, 1476
offset = 360
command = { type = explorer which = xx } (what's the number for Gdansk?)
Cheers
 
IIRC, Gdansk is 299...let me check, no 301. 299 is Krakow.

But seriously, are we going to get explorer before Spain and such:eek:

Cool, here we come, Aztecs:D. Though i suppose i should first get some nice port nearer America, since it would be impossible to get there from Gdansk;)
 
Originally posted by Halibutt
I think Poland should get:
Eventname = Jan z Kolna / Johannes Scolnus
Country = POL
Description = Some blah-blah about the new explorer
Trigger = date, 1476
offset = 360
command = { type = explorer which = xx } (what's the number for Gdansk?)
Cheers
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What did this Jan/Johannes do, historically?
 
Originally posted by Havard
What did this Jan/Johannes do, historically?
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What did the guy do? He discovered Labrador in North America. But the fact is, that he sailed under the danish flag. So maybe Denmark should get him? Or both countries?
Cheers
P.S. My signature is a fragment of a historical source prooving that he did what he did (and that he was who he was)
 
Originally posted by Halibutt
What did the guy do? He discovered Labrador in North America. But the fact is, that he sailed under the danish flag. So maybe Denmark should get him? Or both countries?
Cheers
P.S. My signature is a fragment of a historical source prooving that he did what he did (and that he was who he was)
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well imo than only danes should get him. columbus only appears for spaniards even if he is italian....
 
Originally posted by emir

well imo than only danes should get him. columbus only appears for spaniards even if he is italian....
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Agree. But then we'll have a problem again - with Denmark "discovering" America 20 years before Columbus... He could have a very short lifespan, though, just enough to get him to Labrador... Are these voyages "accepted" historically, or somehow disputed?
 
Originally posted by Havard
(...) Are these voyages "accepted" historically, or somehow disputed?
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Well, only his nationality is disputed nowadays. For Poles his name is Jan z Kolna, for Norwegians he's Johan Scolv. I guess also Germans and Danes call him by their own, local names. But in fact his nationality has been prooved polish by several authors, from Francisco López de Gómara and his "Historia general de las Indias y conquista de Mexico" (1552) and Cornelius Wytfliet "Descriptionis Ptolemaicae Augmentum" (1599) on.
Cheers

P.S. At the history of America classes our tutor told us, that by the time Jan z Kolna went to Labrador and surroundings of what is now Boston, there were already many posts of Basque whale-hunters. I don't know any texts on this matter, though.
 
Originally posted by Halibutt
Yeah. The guys' name was Boguslaw Radziwill (aka "Gnida" Bogus³aw; gnida is a polish word for nit or swine), the one I mentioned above.
These explanation is enough. But I'm afraid that such an event would erase Poland totally. In most cases such peace treaty would mean Poland DoWing newborn Lithuania or Ukraine, thus becoming at war with its former enemies (DoWing a vassalised state gives a casus belli, AFAIK). And that means another loss of stability and lots of BB points. And that means total war. Such an event would be quite nice if you're playing Russia or Austria, but it would make the game extremly hard to play, when you play as Poland. I hope you get the point.
Cheers
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Actually the one who decided to side with Swedes after their invasion in 1655 was Janusz Radziwill - Boguslaw's elder brother, hetman litewski and the head of family. Boguslaw took a lead role only after Janusz's death in 1656. Plus Boguslaw was certainly much closer with Brandenburg than with Sweden (his daughter married Prince Elector's son and he was appointed Governor of Eastern Prussia).

As a side note it is interesting to remember that one of the most loyal supporters of Swedish King during his invasion of Poland was ... Jan Sobieski, future King of Poland. he was actually one of the last Polish nobles to switch his allegiance back to Jan Kazimierz.
 
Originally posted by Jan Zamojski
Well, as far as I remember there are also documents confirming that Jan z Kolna attended University of Cracow which is additional proof of his Polish nationality.
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In one russian biography of Columbus are even suppositions that Columbus met Jan z Kolna and got some maps from him (biography is generally good backed by sources). Author confirms polish nationality of Jan.
 
Originally posted by vilkouak
In one russian biography of Columbus are even suppositions that Columbus met Jan z Kolna and got some maps from him (biography is generally good backed by sources).(...)
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In a catalan book on Columbus and the early explorers of the West Indies they state the same. But the author (I don't remember his name) prooved that Columbus himself was Catalan, so it was not the best source.
Anyway, Poland should get some explorers early in the game. If not for Jan z Kolna, then for rich contacts with the Orient and Muslim states of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
Cheers
 
Originally posted by Halibutt
In a catalan book on Columbus and the early explorers of the West Indies they state the same. But the author (I don't remember his name) prooved that Columbus himself was Catalan, so it was not the best source.
Anyway, Poland should get some explorers early in the game. If not for Jan z Kolna, then for rich contacts with the Orient and Muslim states of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
Cheers
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But where do you want to send them? There is no land to explore near Poland. In terms of EU2 explorer means that the country start colonization or expand his trade at least. My opinion is - land explorers were but they cannot be applied to EU2. Exception for Jan z Kolna but Danemark should get him.
 
Thinking gamewise assigning Jan z Kolna to Denmark as a pre-Columbus explorer could give it unexpected and quite ahistorical advantage in colonization expansion. On the other hand asigning him to Poland would be "safer" as Poland, locked inside Baltic, with low level of naval tech and initial DP sliders settings generating negative number of colonists, would have much harder time utilising him extensively. Most likely he would be able to explore some sea zones, perhaps find some new land (i.e. Greenland) but without leading much of Polish colonization and that would have been in line with his historical influence.
 
Originally posted by vilkouak
But where do you want to send them? There is no land to explore near Poland. (...) My opinion is - land explorers were but they cannot be applied to EU2(...)
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I guess you never tried much land exploration in EUII, did you. As Poland I would sign a "cross the borders" pact with Muscovy or some Khanate, and then find my way to Isfahan or Siberia - profitable places and - yes, quite near Poland. And that would be quite historically correct as well (in XVth century, silk and spices were two - three times cheaper in Poland than in the West - that's because the rich contacts I already wrote about).
Cheers
 
Originally posted by Halibutt
I guess you never tried much land exploration in EUII, did you. As Poland I would sign a "cross the borders" pact with Muscovy or some Khanate, and then find my way to Isfahan or Siberia - profitable places and - yes, quite near Poland. And that would be quite historically correct as well (in XVth century, silk and spices were two - three times cheaper in Poland than in the West - that's because the rich contacts I already wrote about).
Cheers
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Right.I haven't thought about this.
 
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