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The problem there would be then what to produce in that province once gold has been depleted. I think it would be just to nightmarish to change programwise.
You could put an event in that cuts the province tax value of goldmine provinces WAY down. If you get (what?) 65 from a gold-producing province, knock it down to 10. Obviously you would do it in phases, to simulate the gradual elimination of silver exports (I assume silver is grouped under gold in the game).
driftwood
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Not only silver, but other things too. For example, I'm sure that the mine at Toledo represents the mines at Almaden, where even today is extracted the majority of world's mercury. And at least in the XVI century you couldn't extract gold and silver from the raw mineral whithout mercury...
I always thought that the mine at Toledo was more a game-balancing thingie (Iberia has a dirt-poor taxbase), a bit like the one at Styria.
A couple of things that might be included:
- In the mid XVIth century, spanish students were forbidden from going abroad to study, one of the things that settled the way for the spanish academical and technological retard that would be suffered in the future.
Game effects: Obviously, more points to narrowmindness, and maybe a hit to all techs.
- In 1601, the spanish king (can't remember his name
), in dire need of money, accepted the offer of a group of merchants and speculators, and moved the capital from Madrid to Valladolid, after a 50.000 ducats "donation" to the state treasure.
Anyway, in 1606, the authorities of Madrid bought back the status of capital, after paying the king 200.000 ducats
Game effects:
1- First change:
-> Moving the capital to the most similar province (I don't have the map in my mind, so I'll need your help there).
-> Income boost (How about 500 $, for instance?)
-> Lowering Castilla's Tax value severely (-3?)
-> Stability drop (-2?)
2- Second change:
-> Moving back the capital to Madrid.
-> Income boost (Historically, it was four fold the first one, but 2000 seems too much for me).
-> Raising Castilla's Tax value to past values.
-> Stability bonus (+1?).
Well, that's it.
Bye, The Larch.
- In the mid XVIth century, spanish students were forbidden from going abroad to study, one of the things that settled the way for the spanish academical and technological retard that would be suffered in the future.
Game effects: Obviously, more points to narrowmindness, and maybe a hit to all techs.
- In 1601, the spanish king (can't remember his name
), in dire need of money, accepted the offer of a group of merchants and speculators, and moved the capital from Madrid to Valladolid, after a 50.000 ducats "donation" to the state treasure.Anyway, in 1606, the authorities of Madrid bought back the status of capital, after paying the king 200.000 ducats
Game effects:
1- First change:
-> Moving the capital to the most similar province (I don't have the map in my mind, so I'll need your help there).
-> Income boost (How about 500 $, for instance?)
-> Lowering Castilla's Tax value severely (-3?)
-> Stability drop (-2?)
2- Second change:
-> Moving back the capital to Madrid.
-> Income boost (Historically, it was four fold the first one, but 2000 seems too much for me).
-> Raising Castilla's Tax value to past values.
-> Stability bonus (+1?).
Well, that's it.
Bye, The Larch.
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Originally posted by The Larch
A couple of things that might be included:
- In the mid XVIth century, spanish students were forbidden from going abroad to study, one of the things that settled the way for the spanish academical and technological retard that would be suffered in the future.
Game effects: Obviously, more points to narrowmindness, and maybe a hit to all techs.
- In 1601, the spanish king (can't remember his name
Anyway, in 1606, the authorities of Madrid bought back the status of capital, after paying the king 200.000 ducats
Game effects:
1- First change:
-> Moving the capital to the most similar province (I don't have the map in my mind, so I'll need your help there).
-> Income boost (How about 500 $, for instance?)
-> Lowering Castilla's Tax value severely (-3?)
-> Stability drop (-2?)
2- Second change:
-> Moving back the capital to Madrid.
-> Income boost (Historically, it was four fold the first one, but 2000 seems too much for me).
-> Raising Castilla's Tax value to past values.
-> Stability bonus (+1?).
Well, that's it.
Bye, The Larch.
1601 ? Felipe III then
Granada
I know this is slightly unrelated, but is there any chance of events being created for Granada. I mean although the nation is doomed to be conquered as a human player it would be interesting to have some events. Maybe some fantasy events for re-introducing islam to iberia?
I know this is slightly unrelated, but is there any chance of events being created for Granada. I mean although the nation is doomed to be conquered as a human player it would be interesting to have some events. Maybe some fantasy events for re-introducing islam to iberia?
Re: Granada
I would like something that stopped them from being conquerred over fifty years ahead of schedule every game. Maybe removing them from the list of countries for the Spanish ai to conquer would make the Christians more reticent about snuffing out the Grenadines. Is there anyone here who knows why they held out?
I would like something that stopped them from being conquerred over fifty years ahead of schedule every game. Maybe removing them from the list of countries for the Spanish ai to conquer would make the Christians more reticent about snuffing out the Grenadines. Is there anyone here who knows why they held out?
Re: Re: Granada
AFAIK there wasn't much hostility between Granada and it's Christian neighbours in the early 15th cent. (a lot of internal strife though). They even paid some kind of tribute to Castile IIRC.
I have suggested that the relations with Castile/Aragon get improved a bit from 1419, and then increase tension when the "Catholic monarchs" (Isabel/Fernando) arrive. I was hoping to get this done for 1.03, along with the early Spanish events I have done, but I missed the deadline
AFAIK there wasn't much hostility between Granada and it's Christian neighbours in the early 15th cent. (a lot of internal strife though). They even paid some kind of tribute to Castile IIRC.
I have suggested that the relations with Castile/Aragon get improved a bit from 1419, and then increase tension when the "Catholic monarchs" (Isabel/Fernando) arrive. I was hoping to get this done for 1.03, along with the early Spanish events I have done, but I missed the deadline
Re: Re: Granada
1) They already were a tributary state of Castilla.
2) Internal strife in Castilla.
3) Actually there were fights between Castilla and Granada, mostly at the area of Gibraltar.
1) They already were a tributary state of Castilla.
2) Internal strife in Castilla.
3) Actually there were fights between Castilla and Granada, mostly at the area of Gibraltar.
I have noticed that the capitol of Aragon is at Saragossa
It should be moved back to Barcelona, this is just plain wrong.
Also, I'd suggest giving a CoT to Barcelona, as it was one of the most important centres of Mediterranean trade. The CoT could be deleted when the one at Sevilla opens, representing the trade switching from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic which turned Barcelona to a semi-backward status.
Also, the shipyard at Cadiz event (there is one for that, no?), should have an option to install it at Barcelona, as it is historical that this city was also considered, specially after the triumph of Lepanto.
Have you events for the decrees of Nova Planta after the war of Spanish Succession? They centralized the country (which was a confederation at that time) and is one of the most important turning points in Spanish history.
It should be moved back to Barcelona, this is just plain wrong.
Also, I'd suggest giving a CoT to Barcelona, as it was one of the most important centres of Mediterranean trade. The CoT could be deleted when the one at Sevilla opens, representing the trade switching from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic which turned Barcelona to a semi-backward status.
Also, the shipyard at Cadiz event (there is one for that, no?), should have an option to install it at Barcelona, as it is historical that this city was also considered, specially after the triumph of Lepanto.
Have you events for the decrees of Nova Planta after the war of Spanish Succession? They centralized the country (which was a confederation at that time) and is one of the most important turning points in Spanish history.
Here you have some important events for Aragon during the 1419-1516 period. I will put assloads of them and suggested effects, I can't code, so I'll put it in plain. The text is also not meant for being it put in the game, yet, just for make you understand the events I can write it for the ones you're most interested in.
Have in mind that one of the most important struggles of the era were the one between the Trastamara dinasty that came from Castilla, which was an absolutist country, and found in Aragon a Parlamentarian Monarchy. Any idea on how to use effects to show the balance between parlamentarism/authoritarism? (something sadly left out of EU2 )
1419 The Courts oppose the Castillian king
Trigger: Date (during 1419)
During the 1419-1420 period there was an internal strife between the Courts and the King Alfons. The reason was not only the predomination of people of Castilla in important offices of the Government, but the complete acceptance of the Constitutions of Catalonia, which would greatly limit the power of the monarch.
A) Expel the Castillians from the Government (Stab -1, Desc +1)
B) Expel the Castillians and swear the Constitutions (Stab +1, Desc +2)
C) Try to rule independently of the Courts (Stab -3, Cent +2)
1420 Revolts in Sardinia
THIS IS AN EVENT FOR GENOA!!!
trigger: Aragon controls Sardinia
Aragon and Genoa were rival powers in the domination of trade in the western Mediterranean, and Corsica-Sardinia were they preferred grounds for the fight. Genoa instigated rebellions against the Aragonese presence in Sardinia in hope that a succesful revolt would put Sardinia under its domination.
A) Incite a general revolt in Sardinia (-250 ducats, revolt in Sardinia, rebels control the capital, revolt risk +3 for 5 years, relations with Aragon -100)
B) We can't spare many funds for that (-100 ducats, revolt in Sardina, revolt risk +1 for 2 years, relations with Aragon -50)
B) Don't seek troube with Aragon (no effect)
Also, any suggestion on how to make Sardinia a vassall of Genoa should the revolt succeed?
Discovery of Genovese conspiration
Trigger: Aragon regains control of Sardinia after it was controlled by Rebel Scum (can this be done?)
After the defeat of the Sardinian rebels, the King of Aragon used the collaboration of Genoa as an excuse to DoW Genoa and try to take off Corsica from them.
A) Dennounce the Genovese conspiration (temporary CB against Genoa, relations with Genoa -100)
B) Don't seek trouble with Genoa (no effect)
Ops, before proceeding. Is there an event for the inheritance of Naples by Aragon? Because I need that in order to proceed and I think I saw something along these lines in the text.csv file...
Have in mind that one of the most important struggles of the era were the one between the Trastamara dinasty that came from Castilla, which was an absolutist country, and found in Aragon a Parlamentarian Monarchy. Any idea on how to use effects to show the balance between parlamentarism/authoritarism? (something sadly left out of EU2
)1419 The Courts oppose the Castillian king
Trigger: Date (during 1419)
During the 1419-1420 period there was an internal strife between the Courts and the King Alfons. The reason was not only the predomination of people of Castilla in important offices of the Government, but the complete acceptance of the Constitutions of Catalonia, which would greatly limit the power of the monarch.
A) Expel the Castillians from the Government (Stab -1, Desc +1)
B) Expel the Castillians and swear the Constitutions (Stab +1, Desc +2)
C) Try to rule independently of the Courts (Stab -3, Cent +2)
1420 Revolts in Sardinia
THIS IS AN EVENT FOR GENOA!!!
trigger: Aragon controls Sardinia
Aragon and Genoa were rival powers in the domination of trade in the western Mediterranean, and Corsica-Sardinia were they preferred grounds for the fight. Genoa instigated rebellions against the Aragonese presence in Sardinia in hope that a succesful revolt would put Sardinia under its domination.
A) Incite a general revolt in Sardinia (-250 ducats, revolt in Sardinia, rebels control the capital, revolt risk +3 for 5 years, relations with Aragon -100)
B) We can't spare many funds for that (-100 ducats, revolt in Sardina, revolt risk +1 for 2 years, relations with Aragon -50)
B) Don't seek troube with Aragon (no effect)
Also, any suggestion on how to make Sardinia a vassall of Genoa should the revolt succeed?
Discovery of Genovese conspiration
Trigger: Aragon regains control of Sardinia after it was controlled by Rebel Scum (can this be done?)
After the defeat of the Sardinian rebels, the King of Aragon used the collaboration of Genoa as an excuse to DoW Genoa and try to take off Corsica from them.
A) Dennounce the Genovese conspiration (temporary CB against Genoa, relations with Genoa -100)
B) Don't seek trouble with Genoa (no effect)
Ops, before proceeding. Is there an event for the inheritance of Naples by Aragon? Because I need that in order to proceed and I think I saw something along these lines in the text.csv file...
Celedhring et al.
I have (as mentioned above) suggested a set of early Iberian events to Paradox. Unfortunately I missed the 1.03 deadline, but hopefully we'll get it in later. What I have suggested is as follows:
I have, with great help from the EEP community (specially great suggestions from Alatriste), compiled a set of events for the early pre-unification period of Spain.
Iberian events outline (1419-1474), rev. 0.3
## Castile ##
The coup of Enrique of Aragon (1420)
Alvaro de Luna appointed constable (1423). Excellent minister (2/2/2), revoltrisk.
Civil war in Castile (1438) (from old file)
The fall of Alvaro de Luna (1453)
The divorce of prince Enrique (1453). A small interlude to the troublesome reign of Enrique...
The troubles of Enrique (1462-65). Revoltrisk
Anarchy in Castile (1465). More revoltrisk...
The pact of Guisando (1468). Alfonso dies, and Enrique recognizes Isabel as heir over his daughter. Chaos ends.
Princess Isabel marries (1469) If she select Fernando: Enrique cancels the pact of Guisando, civil war!
The Pact of Guisando cancelled by Enrique!
Reconciliation of Isabel and Enrique (1474)
## Aragon ##
Flavor event: The death of Benedicto XIII (1423)
Juan of Aragon inherits Navarra (1425)
The Aragon Inheritance of Napoli (1443). (from old file)
The will of king Alfons (1458) (ARG & NAP).
The two crowns (1458) (Aragon & Navarra)
Civil war in Aragon (and Navarre) (1461)
Random event: Clash with the Cortes
## Navarra ##
Civil war in Navarre (and Aragon) (1461)
## Portugal ##
The Social Revolution of João I (1419) (from old file)
The Afonsine Ordinances (1446) (from old file)
The Duke of Coimbra (1448) (from old file)
Support Juana in Castile (1474)
As mentioned, most of these are from EEP suggestions. I started with 50+ events and have cut it down to this, resulting in the (IMO) most important events.
What do you think?
I have (as mentioned above) suggested a set of early Iberian events to Paradox. Unfortunately I missed the 1.03 deadline, but hopefully we'll get it in later. What I have suggested is as follows:
I have, with great help from the EEP community (specially great suggestions from Alatriste), compiled a set of events for the early pre-unification period of Spain.
Iberian events outline (1419-1474), rev. 0.3
## Castile ##
The coup of Enrique of Aragon (1420)
Alvaro de Luna appointed constable (1423). Excellent minister (2/2/2), revoltrisk.
Civil war in Castile (1438) (from old file)
The fall of Alvaro de Luna (1453)
The divorce of prince Enrique (1453). A small interlude to the troublesome reign of Enrique...
The troubles of Enrique (1462-65). Revoltrisk
Anarchy in Castile (1465). More revoltrisk...
The pact of Guisando (1468). Alfonso dies, and Enrique recognizes Isabel as heir over his daughter. Chaos ends.
Princess Isabel marries (1469) If she select Fernando: Enrique cancels the pact of Guisando, civil war!
The Pact of Guisando cancelled by Enrique!
Reconciliation of Isabel and Enrique (1474)
## Aragon ##
Flavor event: The death of Benedicto XIII (1423)
Juan of Aragon inherits Navarra (1425)
The Aragon Inheritance of Napoli (1443). (from old file)
The will of king Alfons (1458) (ARG & NAP).
The two crowns (1458) (Aragon & Navarra)
Civil war in Aragon (and Navarre) (1461)
Random event: Clash with the Cortes
## Navarra ##
Civil war in Navarre (and Aragon) (1461)
## Portugal ##
The Social Revolution of João I (1419) (from old file)
The Afonsine Ordinances (1446) (from old file)
The Duke of Coimbra (1448) (from old file)
Support Juana in Castile (1474)
As mentioned, most of these are from EEP suggestions. I started with 50+ events and have cut it down to this, resulting in the (IMO) most important events.
What do you think?
Aha, how is the inheritance of Naples thing made? Have in mind that the inheritance was just nominal, as it needed to be fought. And the inheritance was done in 1421, 1442 was the date of the final conquest. Also, perhaps you should rename the event "Clash with las Cortes" as "Clash with les Corts", as nobody speak Castillian there in that time (I assume there are the courts of Barcelona, as clashes occurred lots of times).
Also, how is the Catalan Civil War arranged? I fear that just one event will make it look too simple, and it wasn't... Most of its effects should be derived from the slider policy adopted before, as it was a political conflict with lots of social layers. I am not the guy who likes too clobber players with too much events, however. Also, I think a "Liberation of the Serfs" event in 1450 would be very cool. The serfs offered to pay 100 000 florins in order to get it while the nobles counter striked and offered 400 000. The monarch took both and went middle way
(I assume there are the courts of Barcelona, as clashes occurred lots of times).Also, how is the Catalan Civil War arranged? I fear that just one event will make it look too simple, and it wasn't... Most of its effects should be derived from the slider policy adopted before, as it was a political conflict with lots of social layers. I am not the guy who likes too clobber players with too much events, however. Also, I think a "Liberation of the Serfs" event in 1450 would be very cool. The serfs offered to pay 100 000 florins in order to get it while the nobles counter striked and offered 400 000. The monarch took both and went middle way
The Aragon-Naples events are allready included. Basically Naples get a multiple-choice event where they may choose becoming vassals of Aragon or remain free.
OK. will do. I', not that fluent in neither Catalan nor Castillan
Also, perhaps you should rename the event "Clash with las Cortes" as "Clash with les Corts", as nobody speak Castillian there in that time
My original outline was with a lot more events for that, but after some discussion in the Secret Halls of the Betaziods
D) this was cut down. You have two periods with civil war from these events. One with the resistance agains Álvaro de Luna, the other under Enrique IV some 30 years later. Which one was you referring to?Sneaky bastard
Also, I think a "Liberation of the Serfs" event in 1450 would be very cool. The serfs offered to pay 100 000 florins in order to get it while the nobles counter striked and offered 400 000. The monarch took both and went middle way
I was referring to the Catalan Civil War of 1462-1472, during John II reign. The Castillian one is such a mess that even that I studied it at school I have never been able to make myself clear of it. One of my teachers once told us that you could not fill a negotiation room large enough to put all the contenders
My point on the Catalan war is that, the slider policies adopted before should determine the seriousness of it, ranging from a just slightly increased revolt risk to a downright secession of Catalonia from the Crown (the main reason of the revolt is that Alfons and Joan deprived the Catalan nobility of most of their feudal "rights" - they called them rights, but the population called them "abuses"). Also the nobles were pissed at the loss of their importance in the affairs of the Crown. Add some social strife, some inept inheritance policies (how is the Alfons will event done?) and you have the the rebellion mixture boiling...
My point on the Catalan war is that, the slider policies adopted before should determine the seriousness of it, ranging from a just slightly increased revolt risk to a downright secession of Catalonia from the Crown (the main reason of the revolt is that Alfons and Joan deprived the Catalan nobility of most of their feudal "rights" - they called them rights, but the population called them "abuses"). Also the nobles were pissed at the loss of their importance in the affairs of the Crown. Add some social strife, some inept inheritance policies (how is the Alfons will event done?) and you have the the rebellion mixture boiling...
Sorry, I thought you was referring the the Castillan civl wars
As the event is now it just adds a bunch of revoltrisk. As far as I have found out the civil was in Aragon/Navarra was due to several reasons. In Navarra there was the succession strife and the rumors around the death of prince Caslos of Viana. In Aragon there were , among other things the conflict between the king and Catalona. The original event outline had two events covering this, leading to the civil war. These got the axe in the trimming of the events...
Do you have a suggestion how the civil war should be determined by DP? I don't want it to be easy to avoid...
The will of Alfons handles the split of Naples and Aragon, since his son Fernando got Naples and the brother got Aragon at his death.
As the event is now it just adds a bunch of revoltrisk. As far as I have found out the civil was in Aragon/Navarra was due to several reasons. In Navarra there was the succession strife and the rumors around the death of prince Caslos of Viana. In Aragon there were , among other things the conflict between the king and Catalona. The original event outline had two events covering this, leading to the civil war. These got the axe in the trimming of the events...
Do you have a suggestion how the civil war should be determined by DP? I don't want it to be easy to avoid...
The will of Alfons handles the split of Naples and Aragon, since his son Fernando got Naples and the brother got Aragon at his death.
Originally posted by Havard
Sorry, I thought you was referring the the Castillan civl wars
As the event is now it just adds a bunch of revoltrisk. As far as I have found out the civil was in Aragon/Navarra was due to several reasons. In Navarra there was the succession strife and the rumors around the death of prince Caslos of Viana. In Aragon there were , among other things the conflict between the king and Catalona. The original event outline had two events covering this, leading to the civil war. These got the axe in the trimming of the events...
Do you have a suggestion how the civil war should be determined by DP? I don't want it to be easy to avoid...
Tell me how is the event that you have arranged for it and from it I can come with some "variations" so depending on the DP status you get better or worse effects. For example, a very low serfdom value would make the peasantry support the King, or the opposite. If you totally screwed it up, the whole Catalan provinces could secede (the crowned like 6 different kings in 10 years IRL) and you have a good mess there
Also, if the revolt triumphs somehow (government collapses, is there a trigger for this?), the "Iberian Wedding" event would be dead meat.Is it multichoice? There should be an option to keept the kingdom intact, and to arrange the succession in a less embarassing way of how Alfons did IRL (Leaving Naples to a bastard son with an Italian mistress
)
Havard, when you provide me with this info, it would also be very helpful if you tell the the starting DP settings for Aragon, so I can put the triggers for the Civil War events in a more knowledgeable way. Thanks!