For simplicity, you can also download the file with all the events here:
Events for Aragon
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Events for Aragon
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I really do like these events, other than the Atlantic/Mediterranean one even the fantasy events would fit in very well for the 'historical' install. It's clear a lot of thought has gone into them and I'm impressed.
mfigueras, I'm assuming that your civil war sequence would replace Havard's event that's going in 1.2:
I think your events are great, but his event is rather more fierce than yours. Maybe you could give yours a little more bite.
Specific comments/bugs/wording issues
-you've used the sequence 'command = {type = revoltrisk value = 10}' several times. This won't work - it needs the 'which' parameter to set the length of the revoltrisk
-In English I've generally seen the work 'Cortes' used rather than 'courts'. Is this a Castillian/Catalan thing? To an English reader 'courts' would imply jusicial rather than legislative function.
-beginning no beggining in event 171420
-Joan in English is a woman's name so it's a bit confusing. Is it 'Juan?' or could you add the English translation of the name (rather than the SpanisH) which I guess is John in parentheses?
-was the 1591 the event when Phillip II suppressed the Cortes of Aragon? It seems like that could be a little stronger (and ought to be a Spanish event too)
-for 171408 as written the event will happen if France doesn't exist. This may not be such a bad thing, as all that means is that Aragon gets the 150d for free, but it leaves open the possibility that France forms between 1462 and 1492, gains Roussillon whether as an initial revolter or by conquest from someone other than Aragon, and then has to cede it to Aragon anyway. I would suggest that you have a second event in case France doesn't exist, but I think you should decide how you think it should work.
-171424 cedes Rousillon to Aragon even though it requires that Aragon not exist. That should be Spain
-171421 the exists = ARG is redundant as the event is for ARG. Likewise exisit = SPA for 171422
-Both of these events (171424 and 171421) should be triggered on 171420 having happened so that we know France recieved Roussillon. They should also require that France actually own Roussillon or the AI will go paying France for a province it doesn't have.
-for all of 171421, 171422, 171423, 171424 and 171425 the sleepevent commands are not needed because the events are directly triggered.
Good work!
mfigueras, I'm assuming that your civil war sequence would replace Havard's event that's going in 1.2:
Code:
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# Civil war in Aragon and Navarre (1461-72) #
event = {
id = 7205
random = no
country = ARG
name = "Civil war!"
desc = "Civil war has been raging in Aragon and Navarre since
the death of prince Carlos.
The Generalitat in Catalonia rejects to swear king Juan and offers the crown to Enrique of
Castile. He had not the guts to accept, but the countries are
still in chaos."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1461 }
offset = 300
action_a = { ##
name = "We are helpless..."
command = { type = stability value = -4 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 144 value = 6 }
}
}
[/color]I think your events are great, but his event is rather more fierce than yours. Maybe you could give yours a little more bite.
Specific comments/bugs/wording issues
-you've used the sequence 'command = {type = revoltrisk value = 10}' several times. This won't work - it needs the 'which' parameter to set the length of the revoltrisk
-In English I've generally seen the work 'Cortes' used rather than 'courts'. Is this a Castillian/Catalan thing? To an English reader 'courts' would imply jusicial rather than legislative function.
-beginning no beggining in event 171420
-Joan in English is a woman's name so it's a bit confusing. Is it 'Juan?' or could you add the English translation of the name (rather than the SpanisH) which I guess is John in parentheses?
-was the 1591 the event when Phillip II suppressed the Cortes of Aragon? It seems like that could be a little stronger (and ought to be a Spanish event too)
-for 171408 as written the event will happen if France doesn't exist. This may not be such a bad thing, as all that means is that Aragon gets the 150d for free, but it leaves open the possibility that France forms between 1462 and 1492, gains Roussillon whether as an initial revolter or by conquest from someone other than Aragon, and then has to cede it to Aragon anyway. I would suggest that you have a second event in case France doesn't exist, but I think you should decide how you think it should work.
-171424 cedes Rousillon to Aragon even though it requires that Aragon not exist. That should be Spain
-171421 the exists = ARG is redundant as the event is for ARG. Likewise exisit = SPA for 171422
-Both of these events (171424 and 171421) should be triggered on 171420 having happened so that we know France recieved Roussillon. They should also require that France actually own Roussillon or the AI will go paying France for a province it doesn't have.
-for all of 171421, 171422, 171423, 171424 and 171425 the sleepevent commands are not needed because the events are directly triggered.
Good work!
Isaac, I think my event for the civil war is toned down a bit when it appears in 1.2. Anyway - good work by mfigueras et. al.
The events I did is posted up at page 2 or something, and does not depict all the detail here. I'm sure we could use a more detailed scripting of the troubles of the time.
mfigueras - have you looked over my other events for Aragon?
The events I did is posted up at page 2 or something, and does not depict all the detail here. I'm sure we could use a more detailed scripting of the troubles of the time.
mfigueras - have you looked over my other events for Aragon?
Do you think his event is tough enough? Not knowing how long the revoltrisk lasts makes it hard to say, but I was thinking that it might be good to have more stability losses in the two civil war events (currently only -1).
As you say - it's hard to say when we don't know the length of the revoltrisks... I think a lower RR for the entire period is better than large RR for parts of it. Stab losses? Yeah baby! Bring it on
I did the events independently of the EEP, so I didn't think about possible incompatibilities with already existing events. Fortunately, I see that it would not be very difficult to integrate them with the existing ones. Well, in my set of events the civil war forms a very long sequence (as a progressive increasing in the tension between the king and the Parliament). Nevertheless, as you say, I've always thought that when the civil war finally breaks out, it's still too "light"... I'll try to make it harder. I had seen Havard's event for the civil war, but I thought that it would be still better to give the player the option of avoiding the war (an expensive option, though).
As stated in Havard's editing guide: " If 'which' is omitted, default is 12 months.", and I've tested the events and yes, it's 12 months.
I see, I've done a bad translation, sorry. "Cortes" is in spanish, "corts" in catalan and I assumed "courts" in english. Would "Parliament" be a good translation?
Thanks
Joan is John in catalan, and yes I know it could be confusing, as Joan is a woman's name in english. BTW, I see that you use "Alfons" (catalan), not "Alfonso" (spanish), but then "Juan" (spanish) and not "Joan" (catalan)... there is a mix of languages
I have no event dealing with this ¿¿?? As I said my aim was to create a set of events for Aragon before the formation of Spain and a few more for Aragon if it doesn't unite with Castilla/Spain.
OK, thanks again
I'll fix these problems ASAP.
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Thanks, Havard
but all the work is done thanks to your guide Yes, I've seen your events for Aragon, and really liked them. As you can see my events deal basically with internal policies while yours are more external politics-related, so I see no great problems in use both sets... except for the civil war. What do you think?
That's great about the 12 months - I didn't know that it worked.
I'm not sure about the "Parliament". Personnally I'd go with "Corts" rather than "Parliament"- for me it would make more sense that way. For someone who knows nothing about Spain, or who doesn't have English as a first language that might be worse.
I'd suggest that after the first event with Joan add "(John in English)", but I'm happy if people think it's straightforward as is.
The 1591 event I was referring to is the "Juan de Lanuza" event in your download, which I now notice you didn't post. I think this is when the Cortes of Aragon were suppressed, which is a pretty significant step in the contitutional history of the crown of Aragon - the first move to a more 'Castillian' rule.
One more thing, maybe the default in Carlos II for Aragon should be to support the Habsburgs as happened historically. It would be painful for them, but then it was in real life too!
I'm not sure about the "Parliament". Personnally I'd go with "Corts" rather than "Parliament"- for me it would make more sense that way. For someone who knows nothing about Spain, or who doesn't have English as a first language that might be worse.
I'd suggest that after the first event with Joan add "(John in English)", but I'm happy if people think it's straightforward as is.
The 1591 event I was referring to is the "Juan de Lanuza" event in your download, which I now notice you didn't post. I think this is when the Cortes of Aragon were suppressed, which is a pretty significant step in the contitutional history of the crown of Aragon - the first move to a more 'Castillian' rule.
One more thing, maybe the default in Carlos II for Aragon should be to support the Habsburgs as happened historically. It would be painful for them, but then it was in real life too!
OK, I'll go with "Corts" and add the translation Joan = John.
Ooops! I forgot that one! I made this event as a starting point for a set dealing with this: Lanuza, Felipe II, Antonio Pérez and all this stuff, but it needs much work still. It's in the file but as it is right now I wouldn't include it.
I agree, I'll change it
I think we can axe my civil war events and use yoursOriginally posted by mfigueras
Thanks, Havard
Btw... As far as I understand this civil war raged in both Aragon and in Navarra? IIRC Joan II was king of both.
Oh, and another thing: Since Juan is Joan in Catalan. What do you call a woman Joan? Like the queens Joan I (1274-1305) and Joan II (1328-49) of Navarra...
OKOriginally posted by Havard
I think we can axe my civil war events and use yours
Yes, it was civil war in both countries, but for different reasons and they were no closely related.
Easy: add an "a"
John = Joan / Joan = Joana. BTW, the pronounciation of "Joan" is different in catalan and in english: in english the "o" is stressed, while in catalan is the "a": Joan and Joan
Like Johan, right?
By the way looking into language still, I think the 'illustration' means enlightenment. At any rate I don't think it's a good translation.
Ausias March - 'gaining ground' not 'gaining terrain'
By the way looking into language still, I think the 'illustration' means enlightenment. At any rate I don't think it's a good translation.
Ausias March - 'gaining ground' not 'gaining terrain'
Exactly, enlightenment !! I couldn't remember that word, sorry, and sometimes I get tired of looking for in the dictionary, checking all my sentences
. Thanks again Isaac.
All corrections done. (including the downloadable txt file)
BTW, another suggestion that I've posted elsewhere, is to create a new "linguistic pool" for Aragón (and Catalunya as a revolter) from which the random leader's names are choosen. This new "linguistic pool" would include typical argonese and catalan names, instead of the typical castillian ones that appear now. Do you think it's a good idea to include in the EEP?
(including the downloadable txt file)That's a very good point. The problem is, if France doesn't exist, to whom the king of Aragon would have asked for aid? Maybe nobody? maybe whatever strong power at the other side of the Pyrenees? The 171408 is directly triggered by previous events, so including the option of an inexistant France means to do a new complete set... mmmhhh what do you think? Is there another possibility?
BTW, another suggestion that I've posted elsewhere, is to create a new "linguistic pool" for Aragón (and Catalunya as a revolter) from which the random leader's names are choosen. This new "linguistic pool" would include typical argonese and catalan names, instead of the typical castillian ones that appear now. Do you think it's a good idea to include in the EEP?
Originally posted by mfigueras
All corrections done.
That's a very good point. The problem is, if France doesn't exist, to whom the king of Aragon would have asked for aid? Maybe nobody? maybe whatever strong power at the other side of the Pyrenees? The 171408 is directly triggered by previous events, so including the option of an inexistant France means to do a new complete set... mmmhhh what do you think? Is there another possibility?
BTW, another suggestion that I've posted elsewhere, is to create a new "linguistic pool" for Aragón (and Catalunya as a revolter) from which the random leader's names are choosen. This new "linguistic pool" would include typical argonese and catalan names, instead of the typical castillian ones that appear now. Do you think it's a good idea to include in the EEP?
The language cannot be assigned to all nations, only to specific ones. I'm afraid you would have to stick to Castillian names.
Instead of France it could be either England or Burgundy.
Excuse me, but it can be done. You have to edit the country.csv, changing the line:
ARG;Gray;LightOrange;latin;SPA;MIN;MIN;MIN;7;4;5;7;5;4;5;7;0;X
for
ARG;Gray;LightOrange;latin;CAT;MIN;MIN;MIN;7;4;5;7;5;4;5;7;0;X
And then, in the randomleaders.csv, add some names with the tag CAT (I've chosen CAT for this tag, but it's irrelevant). For example:
CAT;Urgell
CAT;Montcada
CAT;Vilamarí
CAT;Entença
CAT;Rocafort
CAT;Muntaner
CAT;Híjar
CAT;Bruballa
CAT;Enríquez
CAT;Vilas
CAT;Ypiéns
CAT;Casanova
CAT;Fiveller
CAT;Desclot
CAT;Martorell
CAT;Luna
CAT;Hugàs
CAT;Cabré
CAT;Mistral
CAT;Alemany
CAT;Requesens
CAT;Orriols
CAT;Mira
CAT;Llorenç
CAT;Gualbes
CAT;Castellbò
CAT;Rocabertí
Another question is whether you consider that worth to be included in the EEP or not... but that's up to you, the Grand Inquisitor
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Originally posted by mfigueras
Excuse me, but it can be done. You have to edit the country.csv, changing the line:
ARG;Gray;LightOrange;latin;SPA;MIN;MIN;MIN;7;4;5;7;5;4;5;7;0;X
for
ARG;Gray;LightOrange;latin;CAT;MIN;MIN;MIN;7;4;5;7;5;4;5;7;0;X
And then, in the randomleaders.csv, add some names with the tag CAT (I've chosen CAT for this tag, but it's irrelevant). For example:
CAT;Urgell
CAT;Montcada
CAT;Vilamarí
CAT;Entença
CAT;Rocafort
CAT;Muntaner
CAT;Híjar
CAT;Bruballa
etc...
Another question is whether you consider that worth to be included in the EEP or not... but that's up to you, the Grand Inquisitor
Yeah you can do it for every country, but if CAT isn't defined as a language, then all your leaders will be called Catalunya.
I fear I don't understand what do you mean. I've modified my EU2 this way and my leaders get the correct names (the ones posted in the example)
Originally posted by mfigueras
I fear I don't understand what do you mean. I've modified my EU2 this way and my leaders get the correct names (the ones posted in the example)
Then it works for CAT. In other words, CAT is a language assigned tag. But if you do the same with ATJ tag for instance, you will only read 'Atjeh' as your leader names.
If it indeed works, then it will be added to randomleaders.csv of the EEP.
Thanks.
Interesting. I thought that the program reads the 5th column in the country.csv and then searches for the corresponding tag in the randomleaders.csv. In other words, if you put XYZ in the 5th column of some country, then the program searches for XYZ tags in the randomleaders to assign names. If it works as you say, instead, I've been very lucky choosing the tag CAT