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Norrefeldt said:
It was submitted (174). Somehow the DP escaped me. :eek:o They also lack an AI file, though I don't know if they need one.

Okay, well I'll fix the country entries. I doubt the ai file is really necessary though. Egypt didn't go around conquering did it?
 
So in the last month or so I've been reading up a good bit on Asian economic history, I have a major proposal for Egypt's COT: it needs to be moved to Cairo. Cairo was by far and away the economic, cultural, and political hub of Egypt, and every single ounce of pepper that ever found its way to Alexandria had passed through Cairo as part of what was originally a much larger shipment. The view that Alexandria was the main economic city of Egypt is simlpy Eurocentric, as Egypt (or Cairo) was also a major node in the Near Eastern caravan routes, the Indian Ocean shipping lanes (via Aden and Aydhab), and the Trans-Saharan routes.
 
zacharym87 said:
So in the last month or so I've been reading up a good bit on Asian economic history, I have a major proposal for Egypt's COT: it needs to be moved to Cairo. Cairo was by far and away the economic, cultural, and political hub of Egypt, and every single ounce of pepper that ever found its way to Alexandria had passed through Cairo as part of what was originally a much larger shipment. The view that Alexandria was the main economic city of Egypt is simlpy Eurocentric, as Egypt (or Cairo) was also a major node in the Near Eastern caravan routes, the Indian Ocean shipping lanes (via Aden and Aydhab), and the Trans-Saharan routes.
Sorry for not catching up with this earlier. This is indeed an important change that needs to be discussed. Here is the info that I have on the matter:

I have trade maps of the Mediterranean, for the 1400-1500 period. They show clearly that while the silk road went to Aleppo and Antiochia, with one branch going to Damascus, and then throught the coast to the ports of Levant and Cairo, the sea routes and the Nile route went to Cairo. But from there everything to be sold to Europe, went primarily to the port of Alexandria, and secondarily to Damietta. Considering that the external trade was a lot more important to the Mameluks than the internal one, we must also focus on where the Europeans were buying. In his book "Housing the Stranger in the Mediterranean World" (Cambridge University Press, 2003) Olivia Constable shows that both Alexandria and Damietta had funduqs (housings for Muslim traders) and fondacos (housings for Christian traders), while Cairo had only the first.

We also have Thomas Wright translation of The Travels of Marco Polo, The Venetian (Bohn, 1854), were he says about Malabar:
In this kingdom there is a vast abundance of pepper, ginger, cubebs, and Indian nuts; and the finest and most beautiful cottons are manufactured that can be found in any part of the world. The ships from Manji [southern China] bring copper as ballast; and besides this, gold brocades, silks, gauzes, gold and silver bullion, together with many kinds of drugs not produced in Malabar; and these they barter for the commodities of the province. There are merchants on the spot who ship the former for Aden [in Ethiopia], from whence they are transported to Alexandria.

It is not Eurocentrism in this case. Europe was the Buyer for the Mameluk trade, and they were buying in Alexandria, hence it is my opinion that the trade center should remain in Alexandria.

I can provide pics of the maps and info that I have if necessary.
 
Zacharym87, any more information on this. Even if Cairo was important, it hasn't got a harbour, Alexandria was the biggest one, and somehow the goods had to reach Europe, and as I understand that transfer trade was the most valuableby far.
It's hard to see an alternative route out of Egypt than Alexandria, or nearby harbours.
 
Here I am reanimating another dead thread. :D



EGYPT AND NAPOLEONIC FRANCE

Since the file monarchs.egy strangely has "French Occupation" as non-dormant monarch I would suggest a couple of events for Egypt in case France decides to invade it and succeed in grabbing provinces or vassallizing the country:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 045002 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1775
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=Red]year = 1798[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]year = 1805[/COLOR]
	}
	name = "Murad and Ibrahim Bey"
	DIP = 5
	MIL = 5
	ADM = 2
	[COLOR=Yellow]dormant = no[/COLOR]
	remark = "Utterly reviled by main Egyptian chronicler of the period"

}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 045003 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1798
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=Red]year = 1801[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]year = 1805[/COLOR]
	}
	name = "French Occupation"
	DIP = 3
	MIL = 4
	ADM = 2
	[COLOR=Yellow]dormant = yes[/COLOR]
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 045004 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1801
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1805
	}
	name = "Ottoman Administration"
	DIP = 6
	MIL = 3
	ADM = 3
	[COLOR=Yellow]dormant = yes[/COLOR]
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 045005 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1805
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1848
	}
	name = "Muhammad Ali"
	DIP = 6
	MIL = 9
	ADM = 8
	[COLOR=Yellow]dormant = no[/COLOR]
	remark = "The founder of modern Egypt"

}


changes to this event:
Code:
#(1798) The military expedition in Egypt
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 170124
	trigger = {
		countrysize = 20
		monarch = 049523 #Le Directoire
		exists = EGY
		owned = { province = 406 data = -1 } #Provence
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME170124" #The military expedition in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST170124"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1798 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = january year = 1799 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170124A" #Let's oppose the British Empire
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = KNI value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = EGY value = -200 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = EGY value = 60 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = TUR value = 60 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = KNI value = 36 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -150 }
		command = { type = INF which = 406 value = 8000 } #Provence (Toulon)
		command = { type = warships which = 406 value = 10 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170124B" #It's only a waste of money
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 5 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 5 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 170125 } #FRA: At the Pyramids
		#command = { type = sleepevent which = 24026 } #KNI: The Knights Leave Malta
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 24057 } #KNI: The Knights Leave Malta
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepevent which = 363000 } #EGY: Napoléon in Egypt[/COLOR]
	}
}
#-#In 1798, General Bonaparte proposed an expedition to seize Egypt, then a province of the Ottoman Empire, seeking as a good way to protect French trade interests and undermine Britain's access to India. Although troubled by the scope and cost of the enterprise, the Directory readily agreed to the plan, also because it meant keeping the popular general far from Paris, where the rumours of his victories in the Italian military campaign made him famous and politically dangerous. So a large number of troops commanded by General Bonaparte set sail from Toulon via Malta, which was invaded for its essential strategic position in the Mediterranean sea routes, towards Alexandria where the French troops eventually disembarked together with a large group of scientists.



new EGY event:
Code:
#(1798-1805) Napoléon in Egypt
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 363000
	trigger = {
		event = 170124 #FRA: The military expedition in Egypt
		OR = {
			vassal = { country = FRA country = EGY }
			control = { province = 744 data = FRA } #Alexandria
			control = { province = 745 data = FRA } #Delta
			control = { province = 746 data = FRA } #Egypt
		}
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 744 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 745 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 746 data = -1 }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = EGY
	name = "EVENTNAME363000" #Napoléon in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST363000"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1798 }
	offset = 15
	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1805 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME363000A" #The French are at the Pyramids
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 045003 } #French Occupation
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 045002 } #Murad and Ibrahim Bey
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 045005 } #Muhammad Ali 
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -50 } 
	}
}
EVENTNAME363000;Napoléon in Egypt;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST363000;In 1798, General Bonaparte proposed an expedition to seize Egypt as a good way to protect French trade interests and undermine Britain's access to India. Although troubled by the scope and cost of the enterprise, the Directory readily agreed to the plan and a large number of troops commanded by General Bonaparte set sail from Toulon, via Malta, towards Alexandria where the French troops, together with a large group of scientists, eventually disembarked in their way to Cairo.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME363000A;The French are at the Pyramids;;;;;;;;;;



changes to this event:
Code:
#(1801-1820) At the Pyramids
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 170125
	trigger = {
		event = 170124 #FRA: The military expedition in Egypt
		event = 3148   #FRA: The 18 Brumaire
		war = { country = ENG country = FRA }
		NOT = {
			war = { country = EGY country = FRA }
		}
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 744 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 745 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 746 data = -1 }
			[COLOR=Yellow]event = 363000 #EGY: Napoléon in Egypt
			vassal = { country = FRA country = EGY }[/COLOR]
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME170125" #At the Pyramids
	desc = "EVENTHIST170125"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1801 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170125A" #Let's retreat from Egypt
		command = { type = independence which = EGY } #if EGY doesn't exist
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 744 } #Alexandria #if EGY hasn't all its cores
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = treasury value = 350 }
		command = { type = infra value = 600 } #Champollion's egyptology
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepevent which = 363000 } #EGY: Napoléon in Egypt
		command = { type = trigger which = 363001 } #EGY: French troops abandon Egypt[/COLOR]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170125B" #Let's withstand the Turks
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -50 }
		command = { type = desertion which = 744 value = 5000 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = desertion which = 745 value = 5000 } #Delta
		command = { type = desertion which = 746 value = 5000 } #Egypt
		command = { type = revolt which = 744 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 744 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 745 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 745 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 746 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 746 }
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = sleepevent which = 363000 } #EGY: Napoléon in Egypt[/COLOR]
	}
}
#-#In their marching to Cairo the French troops had to fight against the Mamluks which were easily tamed in the socalled 'battle of the Pyramids' but a terrible defeat at the bay of Abu Qir by means of the British Navy skillfully commanded by Admiral Nelson cut the French supply lines. Bonaparte continued his military campaign by attacking the Turks in Syria but both desease and short supplies which weakened his soldiers and the bad news coming from France forced him to leave Egypt abandoning there his troops. Successfully dodging the British fleet constantly patrolling the Mediterranean in search of French presence, he managed to make return to France where the coup d'état of the 18 Brumaire would then have occurred. Letting alone and without command and precise orders, the French troops found themselves at the mercy of the British troops better fitted and supplied. Even if they managed to win some battles they eventually surrendered to the British, however they were taken home by means of the British navy itself.The Napoléon's expedition in Egypt, even if a complete failure under the military aspect, was a huge worldwide success under the cultural historical aspect: with the French occupation the egyptology, the study of ancient Egypt, was born!


new EGY event:
Code:
#(1801-1820) French troops abandon Egypt
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 363001 #triggered by FRA_170125 A
	random = no
	country = EGY
	name = "EVENTNAME363001" #French troops abandon Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST363001"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME363001A" #We gained our independence again
		command = { type = breakvassal which = FRA }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 150 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 045004 } #Ottoman Administration
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 045005 } #Muhammad Ali
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 045003 } #French Occupation
		command = { type = treasury value = 300 }
		command = { type = infra value = 500 } #Champollion's egyptology
	}
}
EVENTNAME363001;French troops abandon Egypt;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST363001;In their marching to Cairo the French troops had to fight against the Mamluks which were easily tamed in the socalled 'battle of the Pyramids' but a terrible defeat at the bay of Abu Qir by means of the British Navy skillfully commanded by Admiral Nelson cut the French supply lines. Bonaparte continued his military campaign by attacking the Turks in Syria but both desease and short supplies which weakened his soldiers and the bad news coming from France forced him to leave Egypt abandoning there his troops. Successfully dodging the British fleet constantly patrolling the Mediterranean in search of French presence, he managed to make return to France. Letting alone and without command and precise orders, the French troops found themselves at the mercy of the British troops better fitted and supplied. Even if they managed to win some battles they eventually surrendered to the British, however they were taken home by means of the British navy itself. The Napoléon's expedition in Egypt, even if a complete failure under the military aspect, was a huge worldwide success under the cultural historical aspect: with the French occupation the egyptology, the study of ancient Egypt, was born!;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME363001A;We gained our independence again;;;;;;;;;;


Well I need to check all these sleep commands better, but the sequence should properly work as I intended.
 
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I don't understand why Mamluks have so many cores in revolt.txt:

Code:
MAM = { #Mamluks
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	expirydate = { year = 1820 }
	minimum = { 746 745 744 }
	extra = { 494 742 743 747 }
	capital = 746
	group = muslim
	culture = patagonian
	ai = "MAM_1419_Default.ai"
}
IMHO, only 746 (Egypt) should be in minimum and 745 (Delta) and 744 (Alexandria) in extra. With this, Mameluks could form with the three provinces but capital always in Egypt. Other adjacent provinces would join the country after that.
I never saw Mamluks disappear before Ottoman annexation but this sequence could be screwed if Egypt is not the capital of Mamluks.

Any thoughts?

And other question, why expirydate in 1820 for MAM when Egypt (EGY) can form starting in 1768?
 
I dont' know about MAM core provinces, we should check the event files and the cases in which triggers test them and how...

About expirydate, since Egypt has this entry in revolt.txt:
Code:
EGY = { #Egypt
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1768 }
	expirydate = { year = 1820 }
	minimum = { 744 745 746 }
	extra = { 741 742 743 747 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 }
	capital = 746
	group = muslim
	ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
}
yes, we should limit MAM expirydate to 29 dec 1767

About cores, following this reasoning about MAM, should we also reduce EGY cores as 746 (Egypt) is capital for EGY too?

Considering current agceep 1.52 events:

Code:
#(1768-1798) The Independence of Egypt
event = {
	id = 3398
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 746 data = -1 }
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				exists = MAM
				exists = EGY
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME3398" #The Independence of the Mamluks in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST3398"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1768 }
	offset = 720
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1798 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3398A" #Accept a free Egypt
		command = { type = remove_countryculture which = delaware }
		command = { type = removecore which = 742 } #Quattara
		command = { type = removecore which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = removecore which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = removecore which = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = removecore which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = removecore which = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = removecore which = 749 } #Nubia
		command = { type = independence which = EGY }
		command = { type = trigger which = 301047 } #TUR: Loss of claims in Egypt
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3398B" #Crush the rebels!
		command = { type = remove_countryculture which = delaware }
		command = { type = removecore which = 742 } #Quattara
		command = { type = removecore which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = removecore which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = removecore which = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = removecore which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = removecore which = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = removecore which = 749 } #Nubia
		command = { type = revolt which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = revolt which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = revolt which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = revolt which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = revolt which = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = revolt which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = revolt which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = revolt which = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
	}
}
#-#Since the Ottoman conquest of 1517-1518, the Mamluks of Egypt had lost official independence, but managed to retain most of the levels of power, although nominally under command from a pasha nominated by the Sultan in Constantinople. In the late 18th century, the influence of the Turkish Pasha was insignificant and the Mamluk Beys behaved nearly as the rulers of an independent nation, paying tribute and taxes whenever they wanted and limiting their duties as Turkish vassals to the minimum.

Code:
#(1768-1798) Loss of claims in Egypt
event = {
	id = 301047 #triggered by TUR_3398 A
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 742 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 743 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 747 data = -1 }
			owned = { province = 494 data = -1 }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301047" #Loss of claims in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST301047"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME301047A" #Grant them their lands!
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 742 } #Quattara
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 494 } #Sinai
	}
}
#-#Under Mehmet Ali (who became viceroy in 1805 after French evacuation, and until his death in 1849), the factual independence became official at last.


TUR will release EGY only if 746 (Egypt) is owned and neither EGY and MAM exist...
 
I have a problem with this event:
Code:
#(1786-1808) The Independence of the Mamluks in Egypt
#by RepublicofGenoa
event = {
	id = 24059
	trigger = {
		event = 3398 #TUR: The Independence of the Mamluks in Egypt
	}
	random = no
	country = EGY
	name = "EVENTNAME3398" #The Independence of the Mamluks in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST24059"
	#-#Egypt has gained autonomy from the Ottomans.

	date = { day = 29 month = june year = 1786 }
	offset = 72
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1808 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME24059A" #Egypt controls it's own destiny
		command = { type = addcore which = 748 } #Batn al Hajar
		command = { type = addcore which = 749 } #Nubia
		command = { type = INF which = 746 value = 5000 } #Egypt
		command = { type = CAV which = 746 value = 1000 } #Egypt
		command = { type = ART which = 746 value = 30 } #Egypt
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = -150 } #don't want reannexed
	}
}

According to OE corresponding events (reworked version):
Code:
#(1768-1798) The Independence of Egypt
event = {
	id = 3398
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 742 data = -1 } #Quattara
			owned = { province = 743 data = -1 } #Cataract
			owned = { province = 744 data = -1 } #Alexandria
			owned = { province = 745 data = -1 } #Delta
			owned = { province = 746 data = -1 } #Egypt
			owned = { province = 747 data = -1 } #Nile
		}
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				exists = MAM
				exists = EGY
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME3398" #The Independence of the Mamluks in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST3398"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1768 }
	offset = 720
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1798 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3398A" #Accept a free Egypt
		command = { type = remove_countryculture which = delaware }
		command = { type = removecore which = 742 } #Quattara
		command = { type = removecore which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = removecore which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = removecore which = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = removecore which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = removecore which = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = removecore which = 748 } #Batn al Hajar
		command = { type = removecore which = 749 } #Nubia
		command = { type = independence which = EGY }
		command = { type = trigger which = 301047 } #TUR: Loss of claims in Egypt
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3398B" #Crush the rebels!
		command = { type = remove_countryculture which = delaware }
		command = { type = removecore which = 742 } #Quattara
		command = { type = removecore which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = removecore which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = removecore which = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = removecore which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = removecore which = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = removecore which = 748 } #Batn al Hajar
		command = { type = removecore which = 749 } #Nubia
		command = { type = revolt which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = revolt which = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = revolt which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = revolt which = 744 } #Alexandria
		command = { type = revolt which = 745 } #Delta
		command = { type = revolt which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = revolt which = 746 } #Egypt
		command = { type = revolt which = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
	}
}
#-#Since the Ottoman conquest of 1517-1518, the Mamluks of Egypt had lost official independence, but managed to retain most of the levels of power, although nominally under command from a pasha nominated by the Sultan in Constantinople. In the late 18th century, the influence of the Turkish Pasha was insignificant and the Mamluk Beys behaved nearly as the rulers of an independent nation, paying tribute and taxes whenever they wanted and limiting their duties as Turkish vassals to the minimum.

Code:
#(1768-1798) Loss of claims in Egypt
event = {
	id = 301047 #triggered by TUR_3398 A
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			owned = { province = 494 data = -1 } #Sinai
			#not in EGY revolt.txt
			owned = { province = 748 data = -1 } #Batn al Hajar
			owned = { province = 749 data = -1 } #Nubia
			owned = { province = 750 data = -1 } #Sudan
			owned = { province = 751 data = -1 } #Bisharin
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = TUR
	name = "EVENTNAME301047" #Loss of claims in Egypt
	desc = "EVENTHIST301047"
	#-#

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME301047A" #Grant them their lands... and more!
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 742 } #Quattara
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 743 } #Cataract
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 747 } #Nile
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 494 } #Sinai
		#not in EGY revolt.txt
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 748 } #Batn al Hajar
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 749 } #Nubia
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 750 } #Sudan
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = EGY value = 751 } #Bisharin
	}
}
#-#Under Mehmet Ali (who became viceroy in 1805 after French evacuation, and until his death in 1849), the factual independence became official at last.


Why should Egypt wait until 1786 to see relation drop with OE?

Between 1768 and 1786, I saw many times Egypt reannexed by OE. Could we at least add a -150 relation drop in TUR_301047 and then only -75 in EGY_24059 and a twin EGY event to break OE vasselage if Egypt is still vassal in 1786? Any thoughts?
 
I have a problem with some MAM rulers:
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 083002 }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = may
		year = 1421
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 15[/COLOR]
		month = november
		year = 1421
	}
	name = "al-Zahir Tatar"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 3
	ADM = 3
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 083003 }
	startdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 5[/COLOR]
		month = november
		year = 1421
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 1
		month = april
		year = 1422
	}
	name = "al-Salih Muhammad"
	DIP = 3
	MIL = 3
	ADM = 3
	dormant = no
}
Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 083020 }
	startdate = {
		day = 24
		month = august
		year = 1516
	}
	deathdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 29[/COLOR]
		month = january
		year = 1517
	}
	name = "al-Ashraf Tumanbay"
	DIP = 3
	MIL = 5
	ADM = 3
	dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 083021 }
	startdate = {
		[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]day = 20[/COLOR]
		month = january
		year = 1517
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1768
	}
	name = "Mamluk Nobles *"
	DIP = 3
	MIL = 3
	ADM = 3
	dormant = no
}

EDIT: I found the exact date for the death of al-Zahir Tatar here (p12): 30 November 1421 => day = 29

For al-Ashraf Tumanbay, it is between: January 22 - Battle of Ridanieh. The Turkish forces of Selim I defeat the main Mamluk army in Egypt under Touman Bey. February 3 - Capture of Cairo by the Turks and article here:
The Battle of Ridanieh was fought on January 22, 1517 in Egypt. The Ottoman Turkish forces of Selim I defeated the Mamluk forces under Toumen Bey (Toumen Bay). The Turks marched into Cairo, and the severed head of Toumen Bey, Egypt’s last Mameluke sultan, was hung over an entrance gate in the Al Ghourieh quarter of Cairo.

It seems more precise than what was obviously chosen for "Mamluk Nobles":
In 1517 the Ottoman Turks and their sultan Selim I defeated the Mamluks with the capture of Cairo on January 20. The centre of power transferred from Cairo to Istanbul.

Can we peek January 22 (day = 21) and add remark = "Severed head hung over an entrance gate in the Al Ghourieh quarter of Cairo after the battle of Ridanieh"?
 
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The flag on wiki for the Mamluks is taken from the Catalan Atlas. My guess is that it might be correct (given that the Mamluks were around for the entire time period around the map), but I don't really know. That said, it is probably better that the sort of generic green-yellow flag that we have now. And we do have a precedent of trusting the Catalan atlas for states along the Mediterranean (Tunisia, Karaman...).
 
Reworked Mamluks set for Base:

shieldmamui4.png

smallshieldmammk7.png


flagmamkt1.png



Same flag will be used for Deluxe version and CoA is unchanged for this version (plain yellow in Muslim shape).
 
YodaMaster said:
Reworked Mamluks set for Base:

shieldmamui4.png

smallshieldmammk7.png


flagmamkt1.png



Same flag will be used for Deluxe version and CoA is unchanged for this version (plain yellow in Muslim shape).


this flag does not appear in beta 1. all other events for beta 1 are there
 
Toio said:
this flag does not appear in beta 1. all other events for beta 1 are there
True, because beta is the Deluxe version and flag is already included in EGUFSM. In fact, I just removed the green-yellow flag present in Deluxe version 1.56.

OTOH, new flag will be added in Base version along with new CoA because original EU2 files are not the "right" ones.