Duplicate England Coat of Arms Does Not Change if William Conquers England UNLESS Game is Reloaded

[Polskers]

Information​

I have verifed my game files (Steam only)​

Yes

I have disabled all mods​

Yes

I am running the latest game update​

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Summary​

England Coat of Arms Does Not Change if William Conquers England UNLESS Game is Reloaded

Description​

With the latest version of the game, the coat of arms of England does not change in-game if England is conquered by William of Normandy. HOWEVER, it will change if you reload the game.

Steps to reproduce​

1. Start as William of Normandy.
2. Conquer England, 1069 (first picture)
3. Coat of arms will not change 1070 (second picture)
4. Save the game and reload 1 Jan 1070
5. Coat of arms will then change to the Three Lions 1070 (third picture)

If I had to guess, this is perhaps an issue with triggering the Norman flags only upon loading saves and not actually checking for them in-game?

This may also affect the duchies, as I'm not sure all of them are changing. So far I have played until 1080 to confirm this has happened again.

Game Version​

1.9.0.3

Platform​

Windows

Additional Information​

Affected Feature​

• Gameplay
• Interface

Save Game​

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[Ares Enyalios]

I can confirm that. Not only with William the Conquerer. Tried something similar. Startet as a Norse, Took over Normandie, became Norse and than conquered England. I still have the Anglo-Saxon flag.
Your solution of reload doesn't work in Iron Man by the way.

Besides that i have other issues with flags.

 

[Celticus Magnus]

I can also confirm this issue in my own game. This appears to be an issue with dynamic coat of arms in general. This may be related and tied to the same issue that debug mode doesn't refresh emblems anymore.

 

[Loc_n_lol]

Same issue with Jerusalem.

 

[Solo_Adhémar]

Just to confirm, after testing : debug mode does not refresh edits to emblems anymore (tested straight from editing the game's files, not just the mod folder)

 

[Polskers]

I can confirm that. Not only with William the Conquerer. Tried something similar. Startet as a Norse, Took over Normandie, became Norse and than conquered England. I still have the Anglo-Saxon flag.
Your solution of reload doesn't work in Iron Man by the way.

Besides that i have other issues with flags.

That's interesting that it doesn't work in Ironman - I wonder why that is.

Yes, it seems to be that flags are a problem with this latest version!

Just to confirm, after testing : debug mode does not refresh edits to emblems anymore (tested straight from editing the game's files, not just the mod folder)

That's also very interesting to note! Thank you for that contribution, Solo - someone who's very active in the mod community noting this should give some visibility!
Do you think this issue may be related to background checking to see if the flag for ownership has triggered? I don't know how it works in CK specifically but I know in HOI4 decisions can fail to appear if the has_country_flag isn't triggered properly, for example if it only triggers upon reload instead of actively.

I can also confirm this issue in my own game. This appears to be an issue with dynamic coat of arms in general. This may be related and tied to the same issue that debug mode doesn't refresh emblems anymore.

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Thank you for noting!

Same issue with Jerusalem.

Thanks, very good to know!

I am hoping this will give some visibility to the bug for Paradox to fix whatever it is they may have accidentally borked this last update.

 

[FishieFan]

Had the same in an ironman mode, if I went to CoA editor itd show the correct one, but only with reload did it change to 3 lions. I was also having some issue where siege fire graphics weren't working properly so it might be some sort of visual bug with the game where it doesnt accept the changes

 

[Polskers]

Had the same in an ironman mode, if I went to CoA editor itd show the correct one, but only with reload did it change to 3 lions. I was also having some issue where siege fire graphics weren't working properly so it might be some sort of visual bug with the game where it doesnt accept the changes

It could very well be, either a graphical bug or a scripting bug which is preventing proper graphical information from being displayed correctly.

 

[Ache]

I can also confirm this issue in my own game. This appears to be an issue with dynamic coat of arms in general. This may be related and tied to the same issue that debug mode doesn't refresh emblems anymore.

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I don't know if you already realized that even his head gear doesn't change at all

 

[boorkie]

FYI same issue was happening in Iberia before Tours and Tournaments so it should not be a new bug, probably just a lower priority one they are already aware of

 

[FishieFan]

FYI same issue was happening in Iberia before Tours and Tournaments so it should not be a new bug, probably just a lower priority one they are already aware of

Islamic coa not being overwritten is a long term bug since ck2, whereas localisations for rulers of different cultures has long been fine, they fixed something between patches somehow

 

[Solo_Adhémar]

That's also very interesting to note! Thank you for that contribution, Solo - someone who's very active in the mod community noting this should give some visibility!
Do you think this issue may be related to background checking to see if the flag for ownership has triggered? I don't know how it works in CK specifically but I know in HOI4 decisions can fail to appear if the has_country_flag isn't triggered properly, for example if it only triggers upon reload instead of actively.

It's hard to say from our point of view what exactly doesn't work or in which cog the grain of sand actually is, but it's clear the game monitor changes in those files somehow. Normally it does that on ownership change only, so yes probably just monitoring a trigger before checking for any changes I agree.
In debug mode however it actually updates the rendered atlas on any change : put a blank space in there somewhere and it still noticeably freezes shortly for the update like it would for a meaningful change. So I suppose both reports come from the same issue at root (that the game doesn't monitor changes in the coat_of_arms folder files anymore, whether it does that instantly or under a set condition).

I'll admit I have an interest in this issue because it means modding emblems (or I guess even for the devs to work on that aspect) is close to impossible right now as you would have to reload the game everytime you want to check what you're actually doing (or just work blind - that's not any better for anything gfx related).

I also see there's been a report of customizing emblems not working anymore either and that's not very surprising if the whole refresh system has stopped working.

 

[Bear_of_The_Forest_QLOC]

Hello!

Thank you for your reports. We have this issue in our database. I will update it with info that it occurs on current version too.

Thank you for your reports, have a nice day.