Eu2Vic: Geography

[Chaingun]

Here we will discuss all geographical aspects of Eu2Vic, which includes changes to province IDs or country placement. I think it makes more sense to have a joint thread about this since both issues can affect each other. Remember to make any ID copies in the ID province thread though.

To connect to where we were, I'll soon repair Anhalt .

 

[unmerged(10564)]

OK.

since in the past we have overlapped ourselves with the provinces we have been ID'ing I propose to state clearly which zones of the world are we currently working.

I plan to start with Turkey, Middle East & Persia.

Any objections?

Speak now or forever hold your peace

 

[Chaingun]

Good idea, and yes, I have no objection .

 

[G-Klav]

I'm doing Austria, but after that...

 

[unmerged(10564)]

I have posted all Middle East and Central Asia (namely Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and all the Indian Ocean coast from Basrah to the Indo River)

I plan to do the rest of the Caucasus (Armenia, etc) & Northern India & Pakistan next...

 

[Chaingun]

OK, by the way, do we have someone on Siberia?

EDIT: As noted in another thread I converted Hessen to Hesse-Darmstadt = once less tag to deal with. HES = HED in short.

 

[Chaingun]

Hello there again, I think I know what to do about the German minors that have been a problem. For the first part I suggest that minors that lies inside 1836 Prussia will have Prussia as their default mother country. Secondly, there are two additonal that can help us and act as mother countries; NGF and SGF. These are the North German Federation and South German Federation respectively. Just merge any northern remaining minors with the NGF and any sother with the SGF, and there we have a workable solution I believe.

As for Burgundy, I have really no idea. It is a nation that is likely to be so large if it survives that it feels somewhat stupid to merge it with France... On the other hand we perhaps won't have too many alternatives else than to do exactly that? One thing we could do would be to assign Burgundy to an unrelated tag, but I believe that breaks the immersion quite a bit.

 

[unmerged(9404)]

I was thinking to do same regarding the german minors.

Burgundy could be converted to Belgium (currently I have Brabant listed as to be converted to BEL, Brabant could be converted to Wallonia) All of Belgium is Burgundy core and irl the burgundian powerbase was in Belgium.

 

[unmerged(10564)]

OK, by the way, do we have someone on Siberia?

I have finished Id'ing the Caucasus region, Northern India, Western Tibet & Mongolia.

I could handle Siberia, but so not to overlap myself with other's work, I'd like to know from which EU2 province in main Russia to which province in EU2 China I should work.

This is important so as to keep coherent boundaries too

 

[unmerged(10564)]

Chaingun...

Would you do update the ID's Lord Asharak has provided, disregard mine that overlap and that way we can find out which provinces are still missing.
I am currently in a blank state of mind and do not want to convert any further province before I find out which zones have not been covered already.

 

[Chaingun]

OK, I'll do that before 20.00 CET when a MP game I participate in starts...

EDIT: I uploaded the new version of Provinces.txt in Eu2Vic.zip with Lord Asharak's IDs. Before I did so I checked so there are no duplicate EU2 IDs, however there may be duplicate or missing Victoria IDs...

The link is the same as usual:
http://w1.171.telia.com/~u17115460/files/Eu2Vic.zip

 

[unmerged(26691)]

Kokomo, your Kaukasus is quite good (too bad I don't check back here more often. And work faster ). But the area to the north of Afghanistan has far too many vicky provinces assigned per EUII province. I had quite a few problem converting the area between that and China even with my more minimalist approach . Since you were faster, I'd say your conversions take precedence, except perhaps here...

 

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Kokomo, your Kaukasus is quite good (too bad I don't check back here more often. And work faster ). But the area to the north of Afghanistan has far too many vicky provinces assigned per EUII province. I had quite a few problem converting the area between that and China even with my more minimalist approach . Since you were faster, I'd say your conversions take precedence, except perhaps here...

I would like to keep an order and try to avoid overlapping provinces, such if you were working on certain zones, we could maintain those... IMHO

Why don't we allow Chaingun to run a conversion and find out which looks better?

I was wondering.... supposedly the only area still "untouched" is Russia from the Baltic to the Pacific...

I know there are people working on "european russia"... I can start ID 'ing from the Pacific westwards... of course I'll need to know the southern boundaries, but that has already been done by Lord Asharak. I'll start with the pacific coast (Kamchatka and such) and then move inland...

That way we would be finishing the ID's pretty soon, won't we?

I wonder how the map would look like....

 

[unmerged(26691)]

Yes, we would. But there's a glaring problem with Sibiria: there are perhaps ten times more provinces in EU2 for it than in Vicky! How do we solve that? Perhaps move it to the west, where there are many vicky provinces, but PTI in EU2?

(Oh, and I agree that we shouldn't have overlapping boundaries, of course. I can well imagine that your's is better, because I'm not happy with mine. Howeverm the problem that it takes up too much space remains: the corridor where Chagatai is in the EU2 GC has quite a lot of provinces, and Vicky has only one or two more - and the fact that those in EU2 are arranged in a column doesn't make it easier, if one wants to keep boundaries :wacko: )

Oh, and I've got Japan already done - apart from that, only Sibiria remains, AFAIK. The northern border of the area I did is Baicheng-Jilin-Nakhodka, which is the point where the problem really begins...

 

[unmerged(10564)]

Yes, we would. But there's a glaring problem with Sibiria: there are perhaps ten times more provinces in EU2 for it than in Vicky! How do we solve that??

1. Either we try to relocate the province to another, although it might be altered geographically speaking
2. or we ignore it and gets lost during the transition.

This lack of provinces occur mostly in Siberia (I had tried to fix it up myself in the provinces east of Samarkand, the silk route) and they are scarcely populated and in 1773 most of it (I don't have the game right here) belonged to Russia.

What do you think???

 

[unmerged(26691)]

The BEST solution, IMHO, is to convert them a bit different than the rest: see who has the most population in a given area that corresponds to a Vicky province, and whoever wins gets the province. Or perhaps simply number of provinces suffices... and anyway, it'll be most likely divided somewhere between China and Russia, and those provinces aren't vital to China at all...

 

[unmerged(10564)]

I was looking at this map

And boy... I didn't remember how may tiny provinces there were...

Why don't we come to a joint agreement with Chaingun and decide?

We should divide the work I think...

 

[unmerged(9404)]

The BEST solution, IMHO, is to convert them a bit different than the rest: see who has the most population in a given area that corresponds to a Vicky province, and whoever wins gets the province. Or perhaps simply number of provinces suffices... and anyway, it'll be most likely divided somewhere between China and Russia, and those provinces aren't vital to China at all...

Normally only one country has acces to the siberian corridor, usually Russia. so discarding provinces there should be a big problem.

 

[unmerged(26691)]

I did a little conversion. Things I noticed:

China wanted some provinces in North America.

The Dutch capital was in Rotterdam instead of Amsterdam.

That's all . Oh, and the Chinese capital was wrong, too, but that's within my sphere of influence .

 

[unmerged(26691)]

I did a little conversion. Things I noticed:

China wanted some provinces in North America.

The Dutch capital was in Rotterdam instead of Amsterdam.

Argentina was quite respectable before, but now it's just tiny... WAD?

That's all . Oh, and the Chinese capital was wrong, too, but that's within my sphere of influence . I'll come up with something concrete shortly (ID numbers, I mean )