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ok, to clear something first, i accepted my fault and i recognized that i was very angry, but i want point out that i was having problems at the same time we were playing with my mom, so please forgive me, i won't be like this again, anyway we came to an arreange, marco, doom and i, and one of them will post some thoughts we had soon.
I hope we can play and clear differences next week!
 
kwfinn said:
Well dunk, in a nutshell. Germax (france) got mad and quit. It was very disappointing and a bit hypocritical in regard to the argument he was presenting. He was actually a superpower, and could dictate any type of demand against any one country. Therefore, DrDoom(austria), Marco(spain), Myself(england) declared war. It took all three of us 'just' to stand against him. This is not uncommon in world history, i.e. US and Britain and Russia against Germany during World War II. At a certain point he wanted out because he could see we would outlast him. He felt it was gamey because we ganged him. However, under the circumstances, it was realistic to the real world because super powers from the beginning of time have been ganged in real life. We made demands, which he was willing to accept, save a certain portion. So, therefore we said we will continue to war. Which we did. He did well, but against three countries he realized he couldn't outlast us all. We kept to our alliance which upset him. Noone would bow out so he could concentrate on any one country; we stayed firm in our alliance. The tide would eventually turn and was gradually doing so. However, he said that since he was beating up on Austria alone (he wasn't beating up on myself or spain too bad) that he(Austria) should peace out and it wasn't realistic. I beg to differ. In that rationale, Great Britain would have made peace with the Germans in world war II and not tried to use it's allies the US and Russian to outlast Germany. He got mad, and because we wouldn't peace out he quit. Now I think Germax is a nice person from what I can tell, and a good player, but I think that is uncalled for. I want him to rejoin us to be honest!!! He is good for our game. But he must realize if I was the super power, or Marco, or Mr Doom, then I would be allying against them to keep them in check so as to not be able to dictate the entire game. Our Venezuelan friend was on the verge of taking Inca provinces and with it, it's gold and therefore being light years ahead of all of us. It's disconcerting to see that he refused to understand this and when we didn't subscribe to his rationale, he would quit. Very disappointing to me because I enjoy playing with him and he is a good player as I stated before. I think we should try and renegotiate peace, and if a solution can't be met then we continue as we did at the point we ended. War is inevitable in this game and superpowers will always be kept in check to balance power among players.... Just my two cents. May be rubbish, but today's outcome was rubbish as well. Hope to see everyone next week and hope we can continue to play.


I think the history is more complicated than you said, the peace was needed, but, germán didn´t want to accept peace under the conditions Mrdoom put him (MrDoom was playing as austria, thing that i dont aprove because is supposed that if you choose a country, you have to play only with that country... you cannot change to your allies´s country, and, even worst, you cannot put conditions in the diplomacy of that country, like asking for a territory when you are losing the war...). germán ask for a white peace with Austria, and he rejected that offerd, even that German was controling all the austrian territories in Germany, and the capital, wien.

but, the past is past. i hope to play with all next week. writte in the diplomacy thread...
 
I dont see why doom should not have used Austria (my country controlled by AI) when they were probably a principal combatant. you know stupid AI would just make some ridiculous peace, like it did giving away luxumbourg, and leave the allies in war, which I would never do.

Maybe it is better for france to be able to crush an AI Austria, but that doesnt make it better for the game.
 
dunkler Kaiser said:
I dont see why doom should not have used Austria (my country controlled by AI) when they were probably a principal combatant. you know stupid AI would just make some ridiculous peace, like it did giving away luxumbourg, and leave the allies in war, which I would never do.

Maybe it is better for france to be able to crush an AI Austria, but that doesnt make it better for the game.


well, i don´t think AI could do a better job, but i think you never could ask territories if you were losing... do you? :rolleyes: y think you would find a more rasonable peace solution :rofl:

well, that isn´t important now, we find a peace solution now, so we shall concentrate in keep conquering colonies :D
 
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Zar Jorge said:
well, i don´t think AI could do a better job, but i think you never could ask territories if you were losing... do you? :rolleyes: y think you would find a more rasonable peace solution :rofl:

well, that isn´t important now, we find a peace solution now, so we shall concentrate in keep conquering colonies :D

In agreement dunk in regard to playing austria. It was better for the game as a whole. And I hate to disaree zar but austria was asking for provinces because the end was in sight whether he was winning at the time or not. France wanted peace because the outcome for him would be to lose. If Austria is losing and can outlast France in order to win, then why wouldn't he. An old Texan saying goes, "once the bull bucks you, get back up and get back on." Do you call him the winner because he gets the best of you a few times. Heck no! You keep going back until he wins the war. Another saying, "You may win the battle but I'll win the war!" Seems to hold true at this moment. German was forgiven in my eyes the second he left the game. I think several incidents like this would be a different story. But as I've said before. He's good for the game and I want him playing. If I was in Frances shoes I wouldn't have a problem with an alliance putting me back into line with other countries. We had the upper hand so therefore we set terms. I have lost many provinces during wars and just had to eat crow and hope to come back and take them later. It does suck, and I hate it just like anyone else does. But that's playing EU2. Win some, lose some, and if your a superpower, beware and choose your friends wisely. Because fear is a big motivator when it comes to war.
 
Umm Yeah. Ill try to play next weekend if my mum dosnt force me off.
 
im diying of boring, i need to play, its is posible that i will be playing next saturday and posibly on sunday to, i need the game year, a save to my yahoo, and i need to know ho is england by now and if he is planing to play as perm, also i need to se the firsth post up to date german :rolleyes:
 
pacal said:
im diying of boring, i need to play, its is posible that i will be playing next saturday and posibly on sunday to, i need the game year, a save to my yahoo, and i need to know ho is england by now and if he is planing to play as perm, also i need to se the firsth post up to date german :rolleyes:

pacal, I have been playing england. I am in no way the GM for our group, so I'm hoping our GM will let me continue playing them since I have come this far. :) 4 sessions if I'm correct. However, I'm sure our GM may have another spot.
 
kwfinn said:
pacal, I have been playing england. I am in no way the GM for our group, so I'm hoping our GM will let me continue playing them since I have come this far. :) 4 sessions if I'm correct. However, I'm sure our GM may have another spot.

finn, you are welcome to take austria when I am gone, which is quite a bit. It seems that your wife is more supportive of your gaming then mine...
 
dunkler Kaiser said:
finn, you are welcome to take austria when I am gone, which is quite a bit. It seems that your wife is more supportive of your gaming then mine...

Actually I had planned on keeping England since I have been playing them so much. Unless there is a mass objection of some sort?
 
kwfinn said:
Actually I had planned on keeping England since I have been playing them so much. Unless there is a mass objection of some sort?

oh, i thought pacal was england
 
dunkler Kaiser said:
oh, i thought pacal was england

I have been playing them since virtually the start of the game. If I remember correctly it may have been the start of the 1418 scenario or right after, 1520 or so. As I said, unless their is a mass objection, I would like to stay with them. Pacal could play austria couldn't he?
 
dont worry, since you have spend so much time playing as england, it would not be fair if i come here and take the nation. if im playing next game i could chose another nation. but as i said im not sure if i can make it.
 
pacal said:
dont worry, since you have spend so much time playing as england, it would not be fair if i come here and take the nation. if im playing next game i could chose another nation. but as i said im not sure if i can make it.


thank you for being so gracious. I do appreciate that. I'm sure there will be a nation available if dunk is unable to play. We have had an extra spot for a player the last couple of sessions in the event dunk is able to join us. To let everyone know. I can only play 2 hours sunday. I need to quit at 11CST. Hope this doesn't put a damper on anything.