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Ged's Existential Nightmare ended several years ago but the interest in a sequel following the game, esepcially as the map developed in an...interesting direction, has led to some tentative EUIV planning.

Having never played the game before, any advice on how to make the map and game match the inuniverse and CK3 endgame situation below would be appreciated.

Many thanks, and watch this space for potential updates.

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Here is the first map, copied over from CK3:

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As you can see, the Irish Empire extends over most of Europe from Iberia to the Ural mountains, from Scandinavia to partway down the Italian peninsula. The absolute furthest frontier of the Empire currently is the huge and unmapped mountains of the east, and the strange new islands off the coast of iberia and north africa. We currently have no presence in Africa itself, nor much interest in it.

Much of the land within the empire is severely underpopulated, due to wars of conquest, plauge and the...methods...the Irish used for colonisation and assimilation. It also means the vast majority of everyone who is breathing in the empire is Irish and Catholic, excepting in the Italian regions and furthest frontiers.

The home islands, low countries and Germany are fairly populous, wealthy and stable due to being under Ned dominance for centuries. Everywhere else is still suffering from aftershocks of a near century of blood and fire following the wrath of the Almighty Emperor.

The other powers on the map are:
The Papal states, who since Battle Pope Benedict, who defeated the HRE and invited crusading, have waged a succesful campaign to conquer most of Italy, and has several established lands in Africa. Their mortal enemy is...

The roman empire, the byzantines etc. Under the rule of the Emperor Titus and helias, the empire utterly crushed their neighbours, returned to dominance in the balkans, reconquered the middle east from the Islamic and Catholic kingdoms, and have a large presence in Egypt and the levant, stretching out east along the persia gulf and red sea.

Their on again, off again puppet state/bitch/ally Hungary has had a nice few centuries of being fed byzantine scraps, becoming large, stable and wealthy. It does mean they are compeltly surrounded by the Irish and Romans, but provided they stay neutral or friendly to constantiople, they should be alright.

The rest of the world is a mystery for now, though several Italian city states escaped the Papal conquest and established new realms in North africa. The strongest of these, pisa, has unifed them together, though whether they continue to exist, thrive in Africa, or attempt to reclaim their homeland from the Irish and Papacy...who can tell?
 
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Can't wait to read it! I've also never played EUIV, so my ability to help in any way other than as a cheerleader is minimal.
 
Were you using one of the converters, or was this by hand? If the former, you should use the option to apply HRE mechanics to Eire. In the interest of continuing the nightmare, of course.
 
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Were you using one of the converters, or was this by hand? If the former, you should use the option to apply HRE mechanics to Eire. In the interest of continuing the nightmare, of course.

By hand. The Irish destroyed the HRE after being voted into it by people who should have known better. Suffice to say, there is no tradition of anything so silly as electors or King's gathering to dictate to the Emperor.

Everyone bows before the alter of Ned, and everyone kneels to the Clover Crown.
 
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That is QUITE an Ireland, to be sure... :D

I also have no knowledge of EUIV - sorry.

Rensslaer
 
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Right, existential nightmare, I forgot.

None of the mods had a handy kill everyone button. Most disappointing.

That is QUITE an Ireland, to be sure... :D

I also have no knowledge of EUIV - sorry.

Rensslaer

*sigh*

Has anyone here played EUIV?

Anyone?

Also, this custom of signing posts some people have, even though their name is above each of them and on some platforms there's a signature as well...is there a reason for this?
 
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@Bullfilter has, I believe...
Well, a partly completed first ever game of EU IV. About 250 years in, while paused to write it up as an AAR (of course), as one does. I’d consult some of the mega campaign writers (there seems to be a few of them) for conversion advice, perhaps.
 
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I have played EU4, though not in a while. And I was never good at it either.
 
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I have, but it was a while ago. Also, it ended with nationalist rebels tearing my custom nation apart. That might be an issue if Eire has ethnic groups other than the Irish still existing.

Mind, my custom nation was located across the entire Steppes, and I attacked China without worrying about the rebels, and then dug my grave deeper...
 
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(...)has led to some tentative EUIV planning.
Not ck3, but eu4?
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Has anyone here played EUIV?
Anyone?
Yes, played a bit.

Having never played the game before, any advice on how to make the map and game match the inuniverse and CK3 endgame situation below would be appreciated.
Looking at the converted map, it is safe to say that run is beyond the saturation level and already finished. Before the unpause.


Subject: eire, custom tag.
Game conditions: Converted from ck3. No info on difficulty setting; assuming Normal.
Challenge conditions: None. Player-tag controls almost an entire subcontinent, and since it is a conversion-run with a custom tag, there will not be any scripted-events to handicap the tag, and pseudo-random and pulse-events will not be enough to provide any challenge at all.

Analysis
Ruler, monarch power:
No info available, but the run is beyond the saturation level, meaning it is independent of any monarch type.

Diplomacy: Judging by the size, there will be only one rival that the player-tag is allowed to select: byza - roman-empire-tag. One, probably two wars of conquest will default the player-tag ineligible for any other rivalry. No alliances needed, and any smaller tag within the range can be vassalised. The run will not function proper as no eligible rivals will be left after those wars, even if the player deliberately handicaps itself severely.

Size: The player-tag is controlling more than 60% of europe-subcontinent. The governing capacity will not be enough for controlling that size at the beginning, therefore most of the states will be territories with 90% autonomy. Even in such condition, because of the size of the player-tag, the army and the navy force limits on top of the manpower will be disproportionately greater than any other tag, thus the run is finished before the unpause.

Ideas: The run is beyond saturation level, therefore there is no dire need for any idea sets. The player-tag is free to choose any idea set of any group, since it will not matter.

Economics: The player-tag is controlling more than 60% of europe-subcontinent, meaning all three end nodes are in control of the player. Complete control of the Channel node, and greater portions of the Venice and the Genoa nodes. Even with the starting number of merchants, the player can collect trade from all three; despite highly inefficient, the amount of gain will be higher than the loss due to not transferring the trade to the home node.

The player-tag is on europe-subcontinent (in the geographic terms of the game, a continent), which has two super-regions (again in geographic terms of the game): Western and Eastern. Assuming the capital of the player-tag is in Western super-region, the remaining territories that are in Eastern can be assigned to trade companies. This will increase the number of the merchants, at least by +7. This is again an anomaly for the start of the game, making the run saturated beyond usual already before the unpause.


A story can still be created because the power of the imagination can touch the horizons of infinite distances beyond the limitless skies that are never there; a story can still be, out of this... mess, but the run will not proper function as it seems from the map. Have fun.



Also, this custom of signing posts some people have, even though their name is above each of them and on some platforms there's a signature as well...is there a reason for this?
That is netiquette.

Check the early posts of the forum; it was customary to address and to sign the posts. Quote, link, mention - such forum features were introduced fairly recent times.
 
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I have played EU4, though not in a while. And I was never good at it either.

I have, but it was a while ago. Also, it ended with nationalist rebels tearing my custom nation apart. That might be an issue if Eire has ethnic groups other than the Irish still existing.

Mind, my custom nation was located across the entire Steppes, and I attacked China without worrying about the rebels, and then dug my grave deeper...

Hmm. Makes me wonder who writes all these EUIV AARs...

Not ck3, but eu4?

In terms of just seeing what happens, yes. If nothing ends up happening, then I'll make up a short timeline showing the highlights of Ireland conquering the world and killing everyone, and skip straight to stellaris to freak the fuck out of @Macavity116.
 
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In terms of just seeing what happens, yes. If nothing ends up happening, then I'll make up a short timeline showing the highlights of Ireland conquering the world and killing everyone, and skip straight to stellaris to freak the fuck out of @Macavity116.
I have said before and continue to say that Ireland in Space has the potential to be either a hilarious comedy or nightmarish cosmic horror story.
 
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I have said before and continue to say that Ireland in Space has the potential to be either a hilarious comedy or nightmarish cosmic horror story.

One more chunk added to my AARland takeover. Or potentially me being got at by the Stellaris Collective. You make the call!

Honestly, it's probably going to be a bit of both, depending on who the POV character is. If it's Ireland, fun. If its not...Well...

I've had a short story intro idea to the Irish into space saga for the last few years, essentially a dark cosmic horror story of increasing dread as a space species or federation or whatever first accidentally meet a single Irish ship...
 
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Hmm. Makes me wonder who writes all these EUIV AARs...

I mean, my current EU4 AAR is the tale of those rebels tearing apart my empire (well, my empire trying and failing to stop them).

I'd be all for a Stellaris continuation. It could be very amusing.
 
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*sigh*

Has anyone here played EUIV?

Anyone?
I have. It's actually the game I have the most hours in.

As the map stands right now, there will probably be a few interesting wars between Byzantium and Ireland, but no real challenge. Ireland is so large that the economy/rebellions become non-issues.

EU4 doesn't have any mechanics for civil wars or decadence (though there are mods for that). So unless you do something before AAR-start to break Ireland up a bit, Ireland has basically already won.
If nothing ends up happening, then I'll make up a short timeline showing the highlights of Ireland conquering the world and killing everyone, and skip straight to stellaris
At least playing out one war between you and the ERE to see how that goes could be interesting for inspiration. By going straight to Stellaris you could maybe devise some sort of cold war scenario between the three powers that Ireland eventually won (or a massive war once they've each colonized the rest of the globe).
 
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I have. It's actually the game I have the most hours in.

As the map stands right now, there will probably be a few interesting wars between Byzantium and Ireland, but no real challenge. Ireland is so large that the economy/rebellions become non-issues.

EU4 doesn't have any mechanics for civil wars or decadence (though there are mods for that). So unless you do something before AAR-start to break Ireland up a bit, Ireland has basically already won.

Bascially mostly doing it to see who would win out of pope and byzantine Emperor, and what happens colonially. Maybe also what happens to religion.

By the end of this period though, yeah, Ireland should be controlling most of the planet.

At least playing out one war between you and the ERE to see how that goes could be interesting for inspiration. By going straight to Stellaris you could maybe devise some sort of cold war scenario between the three powers that Ireland eventually won (or a massive war once they've each colonized the rest of the globe).

At a certain point, to be Irish is just the same thing as being human, so the culture would be pretty homogeneous by the time of the 21st century and serious space exploration.

But how the deadlock gets broken and when is of interest, yes.
 
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Maybe also what happens to religion.
The Protestant Reformation still happens I think. It would just be super slow since only three (?) Catholic countries exist to increase the chance/pace of it happening. Though more nations will also pop up when colonizing the New World.
 
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The Protestant Reformation still happens I think. It would just be super slow since only three (?) Catholic countries exist to increase the chance/pace of it happening. Though more nations will also pop up when colonizing the New World.

Sure but in universe, what is the pretext/reason for it spreading or being held up as a state religion? Not going to impact orthodoxy, except incidentally. Obviously going to impact papacy but won't stop them following the pope...presumably. so it's does it arise in Ireland, and if so why and how? And does it spread?

I can see the Emperor claiming head of religion title. That's basically inevitable. Whether anything else changes or not...
 
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