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A little report for Nabukodonosor when he gets back: Began the session with a war on Prussia, with both sides agreeing not to make too much of it. Uberleaders were kept in reserve, and when other countries began to pull themselves into the war, we wp'd. It went back and forth mostly, but I think if it had gone on France would've pulled off a victory, however Tem probably would say the exact opposite ;).

After the war, I hoped to DOW the Netherlands and make them my vassal. First, I asked them if they would attack England soon, to be fair to them, and learned they were going to fight Persia. So I waited instead, and then talked to the Persians when their backs were to the wall, and offered to save them if they gave me Kutch. Had to settle for authority over who Persia embargoed and rights to its monopolies. I marched Lannes and 200k to the Dutch border, and stated my terms. WP to Persia, and become a French vassal(not necessarily in game terms), committing the Dutch navy to whatever objectives France seeks. Dud was very sober about it, and did the sensible thing. Short of having England or Prussia intervene for him, there was really no way to protect NL from France anyway. So France gained a lot of influence without doing more than parade troops around.

Prussia became embroiled in a war alongside Denmark and the OE against Austria, Russia and after its NAP expired, England. I decided to help vs England, because I didn't want Prussia to fail vs the English, and hoped to steal the NA cot before the session ended. We only had about 30 minutes left at this point. I had about 90k in NA under some average leaders, and with them invaded NA up to Sentee. It was lucky the English didn't keep anything there to defend with, otherwise I could've easily been held back somewhere in Appalachia. The Prussian distraction allowed for easy French victory, gaining Sentee, and I think Temujin took 5kD.

Then I turned on Austria and took Schwyz, Mantua and Romagna. That war almost led France into fighting Prussia again, as Austria had become Prussia's vassal, so it could ask for Prussian protection. None was pledged or rendered though, so the war went rather smoothly. I doubt highly that Prussian intervention would've made the war all that difficult anyway, because at this point France was fully prepared, having a full MP pool and full standing army, while Prussia was tired from all its warring. With this in mind, I wanted to fight another war with Prussia after truce expired a few months after the Aus war anyway, and DOW'd hoping we had enough time left to occupy the Rhineland, but we were already pushing it and people had to go. France has just DOW'd Prussia, and is ready to begin the surge forward.

I actually didn't use any Nappy leaders at all so far, apart from Lannes' parade on the Dutch border. I've been saving them for a time I'd need them, nor has France lost any other leaders yet. It's pretty much as prepared as it can be, apart from lacking a navy. It has about 50kD in the treasury also, which is kind of a shame. If I could've built ships that would be effective, that'd have been the best investment of that stash, but oh well. If we play on, maybe France could be editted to better NT in exchange for maybe 45kD, or something similar?
 
Guys, I've spoken with some of players, and some of them tell me that was last session - some say,that there's one more in the next Sunday.

If we will play in the next Sunday, I demand editing peace between ENG-RUS and PRU-DEN-OE - we were clearly winning and it would be unfair to leave Tem's mistake ( he accidentally peaced ENG and RUS, while intended to peace only ENG, as I suppose ) unrepaired.
 
Faello said:
If we will play in the next Sunday, I demand editing peace between ENG-RUS and PRU-DEN-OE - we were clearly winning and it would be unfair to leave Tem's mistake ( he accidentally peaced ENG and RUS, while intended to peace only ENG, as I suppose ) unrepaired.

We WPed OE. Denmark had the entire Finland before and Prussia with Blutcher razed our capital and armies. It's up to you if you want to edit them back.

On my point of view, misclicking is a part of this game. And with 10-15 years to go... Russia isn't the uber to gangbang and destruct :p
 
Well its up to what everyone's vote if you guys play on or end it here.

I admit to being a little resentful at the manner in which things went down with the NAP miscommunication. Understsandably, it was truly a matter of confusion, not vindictivness. However, when I agreed to hold back on the vulnerable prussian's, the manner in which both France/Prussia then had a clear 2.5 yrs to collect a million men to hold England hostage again wasn't appreciated, no chance of even the graciousness of a 1v1 war so I kinda lost any legitimate want to play to my utmost at the end.

For the legal sticklers:
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :Ganges will do"
name = "King John (France) :i think they deserve a cot or two"
name = "K'shar (England) :ganges for peace?"
name = "Engel (Austria) :Tem, would be nice and give me wurtemburg for giving it a go? :)"
name = "Joohoo (Ottoman Empire) :my vets wants safe passage to Paris, there we will celebrate with the finest whores"
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :No engel, but I'll spare you"
name = "Miozozny (Persia) :Turkish girls not good enough anymore?"
name = "King John (France) :come, you can watch my army parades"
name = "K'shar (England) :tem ... ganges as the deal?"
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :Aye, and NAP, ok?*"
name = "Joohoo (Ottoman Empire) :not when they are 500 miles away ;)"
name = "Engel (Austria) :have I done any damage at all Tem?"
name = "K'shar (England) :for how long"
name = "April 6, 1794 : Coast of Orissa Squadron has arrived in Irish Sea."
name = "Joohoo (Ottoman Empire) :i tak ethe cash then"
name = "Joohoo (Ottoman Empire) :eek:k?"
name = "K'shar (England) :ganges for Lothian and some ducats?"
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :15yr"
name = "K'shar (England) :meh to long"
name = "Engel (Austria) :don't do allaince until I've accepted peace =/"
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :no I'm not giving Lothian"
name = "April 24, 1794 : Coast of Orissa Squadron has arrived in German Bight."
name = "King John (France) :why should he give up anything?"
name = "April 25, 1794 : Ottoman Empire rejected our generous peace offer!"
name = "April 26, 1794 : We captured the province of Pondicherry from Rebel Scum"
name = "May 1, 1794 : The peasants in Guangdong are revolting!"
name = "K'shar (England) :img just poking at him"
name = "Faello (Denmark) :yeah"
name = "Engel (Austria) :Blucher :("
name = "King John (France) :peace for ganges then?"
name = "Engel (Austria) :eek:ke, I'm happy to wp :("
name = "Faello (Denmark) :you're finished guys "
name = "K'shar (England) :i can settle for ganges"
name = "K'shar (England) :no NAP though"
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :k"
name = "May 24, 1794 : We have lost control over Delaware to Rebel Scum."
name = "Temu der Grosse (Prussia) :do it via edit, will take too long to capture"
name = "K'shar (England) :aye"
name = "K'shar (England) :my thoughts"

This is what I remembered and what happened, so in my view the alternative history in game remains bitter. Anyhow, I have learned many new precious lessons that will not be quickly forgotten.

Congrats to everyone for a well played game, I remain confused why caslu stayed absent to the very end (counted on him being here) and kudos to Temu for a well played renaissance strategy.

stats
 
FranK XIV said:
We WPed OE. Denmark had the entire Finland before and Prussia with Blutcher razed our capital and armies. It's up to you if you want to edit them back.

On my point of view, misclicking is a part of this game. And with 10-15 years to go... Russia isn't the uber to gangbang and destruct :p

I wouldn't talk about it if we would have more time :) - but we have only 14,5 years of game left, and ( if we accept this peace ), only 9,5 for war - I would like to wage another war with Finland as a part of my country, then to fight for it again, when I had it almost in my hands... :rolleyes:

btw. I'm proud of Kongelig Krigsflåde ( Danish Royal Navy :D ) - it sustained highest numerical losses in EGA4 - 1716 ships sunked in the naval battles ! ( + dozens lost due to attrition ) :D
 
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Guys, once again I am sorry. This semester is going (already being) completely crazy for me. I am planning to graduate in the end of the year and I acumulated a lot of disciplines. Add to this the start of the creation of the budget 2006 of the Coorporation that I work and you can feel where I put myself into :eek: . I also quitted my Wedenesday game 3 weeks ago, so this doesnt have anything to do with you all.

I'll leave the decision to continue EGA4 or end here for the ppl who are, actually, playing it. But, unfortunetly we wont have EGA5 for the nexts 4-5 months :( ... But I swear that when I return, I'll be back with full strengh (be ready Tem :p ).

I'll be less frequent in the forum now, so I wish to thank you guys for the great time, especially K'shar, with me since EGA1 and to invite all of you to subscribe in EGA5 when I create it. Until there, I hope to still talk with you by ICQ (even offline, due to your crazy european times :D) or PM. See you all soon.

Best Wishes,

Lucas.
 
Casluerj said:
I'll leave the decision to continue EGA4 or end here for the ppl who are, actually, playing it. But, unfortunetly we wont have EGA5 for the nexts 4-5 months :( ... But I swear that when I return, I'll be back with full strengh (be ready Tem :p ).

:rofl: I'll be ready! :D
Since you created EGA and want to create EGA5 in a few months, I'll let you keep the name. But I need my sunday game fix :D
So I guess that means I ought to recreate Imperial Europe :D I will create the thread tomorrow, so stand ready for Imperial Europe: Renaissance! K'shar, would you care to be my co-gm?
 
Tem_Probe said:
:rofl: I'll be ready! :D
Since you created EGA and want to create EGA5 in a few months, I'll let you keep the name. But I need my sunday game fix :D
So I guess that means I ought to recreate Imperial Europe :D I will create the thread tomorrow, so stand ready for Imperial Europe: Renaissance! K'shar, would you care to be my co-gm?

Yay, I hope thee will be one free place for me :p
 
King John said:
A little report for Nabukodonosor when he gets back: Began the session with a war on Prussia, with both sides agreeing not to make too much of it. Uberleaders were kept in reserve, and when other countries began to pull themselves into the war, we wp'd. It went back and forth mostly, but I think if it had gone on France would've pulled off a victory, however Tem probably would say the exact opposite ;).

After the war, I hoped to DOW the Netherlands and make them my vassal. First, I asked them if they would attack England soon, to be fair to them, and learned they were going to fight Persia. So I waited instead, and then talked to the Persians when their backs were to the wall, and offered to save them if they gave me Kutch. Had to settle for authority over who Persia embargoed and rights to its monopolies. I marched Lannes and 200k to the Dutch border, and stated my terms. WP to Persia, and become a French vassal(not necessarily in game terms), committing the Dutch navy to whatever objectives France seeks. Dud was very sober about it, and did the sensible thing. Short of having England or Prussia intervene for him, there was really no way to protect NL from France anyway. So France gained a lot of influence without doing more than parade troops around.

Prussia became embroiled in a war alongside Denmark and the OE against Austria, Russia and after its NAP expired, England. I decided to help vs England, because I didn't want Prussia to fail vs the English, and hoped to steal the NA cot before the session ended. We only had about 30 minutes left at this point. I had about 90k in NA under some average leaders, and with them invaded NA up to Sentee. It was lucky the English didn't keep anything there to defend with, otherwise I could've easily been held back somewhere in Appalachia. The Prussian distraction allowed for easy French victory, gaining Sentee, and I think Temujin took 5kD.

Then I turned on Austria and took Schwyz, Mantua and Romagna. That war almost led France into fighting Prussia again, as Austria had become Prussia's vassal, so it could ask for Prussian protection. None was pledged or rendered though, so the war went rather smoothly. I doubt highly that Prussian intervention would've made the war all that difficult anyway, because at this point France was fully prepared, having a full MP pool and full standing army, while Prussia was tired from all its warring. With this in mind, I wanted to fight another war with Prussia after truce expired a few months after the Aus war anyway, and DOW'd hoping we had enough time left to occupy the Rhineland, but we were already pushing it and people had to go. France has just DOW'd Prussia, and is ready to begin the surge forward.

I actually didn't use any Nappy leaders at all so far, apart from Lannes' parade on the Dutch border. I've been saving them for a time I'd need them, nor has France lost any other leaders yet. It's pretty much as prepared as it can be, apart from lacking a navy. It has about 50kD in the treasury also, which is kind of a shame. If I could've built ships that would be effective, that'd have been the best investment of that stash, but oh well. If we play on, maybe France could be editted to better NT in exchange for maybe 45kD, or something similar?

;)

Thank you very much - even if I will be back I doubt I will be in physical state for playing (I will probably sleep) so please end EGA4.
 
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K'shar said:
Nab you really have to loosen up, playing in perpetually stagnant alliances is the ailment that typically brings EU2 games crashing to the ground. The only reason that I am interested at all in continuing this game is the reality that in the end (though perhaps not in the matter I was hoping) Britain and Prussia came to blows, making the game fascinating again for both sides. I'm sure Tem agrees wholeheartedly.

I could have done what Tem did and taken France completly under my wing ages ago but again to myself that would have taken out what is making this endgame worth playing. If Tem and I had remained best buddies the game also would have no stimulus whatsoever. Without striking out on his own, no matter what he (KJ) does, France will always be second or third best and ever be in the shadow of Prussia. It will have won nothing except perhaps helping Central Europe ascend over itself.

edit: 40k no doubt comes from being very very frugal in his commitments this session, from minting and no doubt deals like the one he made with Britain.

Eh to answer to this one;

K'shar, dear friend (I'm no France anymore) I have thought about what you have said. I doubt I can change much or adopt KJ's way of playing this game. I play the Risico (boardgame in thanslation; The Risk) the way some of you are playing Europa: constantly attacking strongest. But in EU2 I'm trying to play the state and states have longstanding alliances and friendly relations with other countries (or longstanding hostile relations).

Few examples;
Franco-English 100 years war
Alliance between France and Russia, US and England, France and England in modern history, Prussia (Germany) and Austria and so on...

Somehow when I pledge my friendship to someone it is usualy lasting (until something interferes). I can try to be more slimy next time but I have feeling that my allies would still be able to count on me. Maybe it is more interesting this way because I'm only one player in any game and others have the chance to be as trecherous and as dangerous as they want. Having different types of players can also be interesting... I hope...

"Unite through culture, celebrate the differences!"
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Nabukodonosor said:
"Unite through culture, celebrate the differences!"
Discovery channel


LMFAO :rofl: !!!!!!