Confirmed Event illogically fires for junior partner

[Jouni_K]

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Summary​

Event illogically fires for junior partner

Description​

Event 9463 definitely shouldn't fire for a personal union subject as it doesn't make any sense. Junior partners have the exact same ruler as their overlord but nothing related to the ruler should be directed at them. The troubled country can only interact with the senior partner so relations change with a junior partner only has impact to the game when the junior partner is looking for supporters for an independence war. It's not exactly the result I would imagine for providing help for another branch of the same dynasty.

The only restriction the event has is that it can't fire between a junior partner and its senior partner. It can still fire between two junior partners of the same overlord which is the ruler asking for help from himself. It's also very odd when the event fires asking help for a junior partner of some large nation whose ruling family is at no risk of losing reins of their country because a small junior partner has Peasants War or something.

In my case the event fired for Norway which is a junior partner of Denmark. The screenshot is attached to the report.

Steps to reproduce​

1. Play as a junior partner of a country which shares dynasty with another country.
2. Modify the money and stability of related countries so that the event can fire for you.

Game Version​

1.36.2.0

OS​

Windows

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Bug Type​

• Other

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[Blizzrd33]

Disagree that "it doesn't make any sense".
The event isn't related to the "ruler" it is related to the "dynasty", so your statement that "nothing related to the ruler should be related to them" is what I find doesn't make any sense.

 

[Jouni_K]

Disagree that "it doesn't make any sense".
The event isn't related to the "ruler" it is related to the "dynasty", so your statement that "nothing related to the ruler should be related to them" is what I find doesn't make any sense.

I don't get what you mean. A branch of a dynasty is just ruler's family and his closest relatives who live in ruler's country. In practise the interaction is between two rulers since they make the decisions.

In the event a ruler who is struggling to cling on to power is asking for help from another ruler who is their relative. One ruler is doing very poorly and one is doing very well. The former must have -3 stability and the latter must have 3 stability and 100 ducats(so that he can give them away). The only limitation is that the event can't happen between a junior partner and its overlord but everything else goes. It can even happen between junior partners of same overlord which is ruler asking for help from himself.

That the event can fire for junior partners breaks its purpose as their internal situation doesn't tell much about how well their ruler is doing. The event can fire for a small junior partner whose bankrupt overlord is soon going to get annexed by its larger attacking neighbor. The country which is asking for help can also be a junior partner whose larger overlord is doing just fine.

Here's the event firing between Norway and Sweden(both junior partners of Denmark). I used console to set Norway's stability to minimum and Sweden's to maximum:

 

[Blizzrd33]

The ruler of the junior partner is the same person as the ruler of the senior partner. The event is between that ruler and a relative in some other country which triggered the event.

If either partner of the personal union that the ruler is in charge of has -3 stab, the event fires. Working as designed.

 

[Jouni_K]

The ruler of the junior partner is the same person as the ruler of the senior partner. The event is between that ruler and a relative in some other country which triggered the event.

If either partner of the personal union that the ruler is in charge of has -3 stab, the event fires. Working as designed.

The king of Denmark asking for help from HIMSELF(like in the example). Working as designed? King of Austria asking for help because Austria's junior partner Landshut has -3 stability. Why can't Austria help them? Austria's king and his family clearly aren't "struggling to cling on to power" like the event description says. I don't think that the event was designed to work in such ways.

I don't remember how ruler in personal union worked long ago but the overly limited junior-senior restriction seems like a quick hotfix to me added after something was changed and uninteded event behaviour discovered. The only way this event will not fire in goofy ways with personal unions is that it can only fire for one of the ruler's countries, the senior partner, and it's target can only be a senior partner or not in PU.

 

[Qloc_knee_armor]

Hello there! Thank you for the report. It unfortunately wasn't clear what the issue was. This event is scripted to not fire for personal union members. Could you provide more information and if possible a way to reproduce the issue?

 

[MarshalDray]

Hello there! Thank you for the report. It unfortunately wasn't clear what the issue was. This event is scripted to not fire for personal union members. Could you provide more information and if possible a way to reproduce the issue?

No it doesn't, the NOT = { is in the wrong place. Currently, it only checks if any known monarchy with the same dynasty is not the senior/junior partner of the scoped country. Instead, the NOT = { should precede the any_known_country = {.

 

[Qloc_knee_armor]

No it doesn't, the NOT = { is in the wrong place. Currently, it only checks if any known monarchy with the same dynasty is not the senior/junior partner of the scoped country. Instead, the NOT = { should precede the any_known_country = {.

That is correct, my bad.