I notice there is no event governing the partition of Yugoslavia after it's defeat, which results in Romania or Hungary occupying large portions of it. Is there a fix on the way?
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No - why should there be ? Germany gets the option to create Croatia, assuming it holds the minimum provinces - why should it get anything else ? If Hungary & Romania are getting large chunks of it, then you aren't playing on a historical timeline, since neither nation was in the Axis when Germany attacked Yugoslavia in reality. If those nations are in the Axis at this point, why would Germany want to keep bits of Yugoslavia, aside from South Styria (Ljubliana & Maribor) ? Rewarding your allies with territorial gains not at your own expense sounds like a good idea to me.
Tim
Tim
I'm talking about the AI, smartass. If you've even played the scenario, you'd know that AI Germany easilly pulls Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria into the alliance before the invasion of Yugoslavia.
Call me crazy, but I'm one of those people who doesn't like seeing stupid borders, which is why the lack of an event to remove their acquisitions bothers me.
Call me crazy, but I'm one of those people who doesn't like seeing stupid borders, which is why the lack of an event to remove their acquisitions bothers me.
I think you've officially crossed the line of acceptable behavior and are ineligble of actual responses to your questions. Show some manners - Historyman is a CORE Developer and I can assure you he has played the game numerous times.Capn Bram said:
HistoryMan said:
That's not (entirely) true. Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary all allowed German forces to launch an attack on Yugoslavia from their territory. Hungarians actually actively participated in an attack, although they left Germans to do the hard work and just occupied some of the already conquered territory and annexed it to their state. At the end a southern part of country was granted to the Bulgarians. So, although not officialy members of Axis on the 6. April '41, there was in reality no doubt to which side were Yugoslav neighbours aligning.
As for Spodnja Stajerska (South Styria) - Ljubljana is not part of it and was handed along with other territories, namely Dalmacija (Dalmatia) to our brave western neighbours, the Italians.
But in game terms, I agree to everyhing you wrote.
At the moment, the "missing" bits from the outcome of Yugoslavia being taken is that Serbia doesn't get formed, and we leave a 2 province strip across the top of the NDH to allow German forces to get back out (previous efforts showed that the AI ended up with 40+ divisions effectively "stuck" in Serbia, since the AI didn't know how to get them out). Bjelovar & Osijek are the 2 provinces, which should really be in the NDH on a historical basis, and if we add an event for the formation of Serbia, then we might give those two back to the NDH as well.
Italy is always a problem, since it shouldn't really get the entire coastal strip - just Split, probably, based on the nominal borders, and parts of Pristina. Montenegro (as a theoretically independent Kingdom) should also form as an Italian Puppet. As ever, the province borders are not very helpful for splitting things as per actual history, since Zagreb is kinda in the wrong place (map wise) and the province of Ljubliana (in game) got split roughly 50/50 between Germany & Italy, to say nothing of the bits all around Albania, etc.
Hungary & Bulgaria obviously got various bits they wanted, but Romania didn't get anything - the Banat stayed under German control. For game purposes, we might either let Romania have it, or put it in with Serbia (which was technically a military administration, not a "state" as such).
We haven't really gone into the events for "what does Germany do with conquered territory" in any case. One of my favourite options in the Low Countries is to create an oversized Flanders, giving it some additional provinces from Wallonia and Holland, which makes it a 40 base IC puppet, thus it has 3 research teams, and produces some decent units over time - certainly more than enough to garrison its' coastline and thus free up German units. But you will never see the AI do this, for example.
Tim
Italy is always a problem, since it shouldn't really get the entire coastal strip - just Split, probably, based on the nominal borders, and parts of Pristina. Montenegro (as a theoretically independent Kingdom) should also form as an Italian Puppet. As ever, the province borders are not very helpful for splitting things as per actual history, since Zagreb is kinda in the wrong place (map wise) and the province of Ljubliana (in game) got split roughly 50/50 between Germany & Italy, to say nothing of the bits all around Albania, etc.
Hungary & Bulgaria obviously got various bits they wanted, but Romania didn't get anything - the Banat stayed under German control. For game purposes, we might either let Romania have it, or put it in with Serbia (which was technically a military administration, not a "state" as such).
We haven't really gone into the events for "what does Germany do with conquered territory" in any case. One of my favourite options in the Low Countries is to create an oversized Flanders, giving it some additional provinces from Wallonia and Holland, which makes it a 40 base IC puppet, thus it has 3 research teams, and produces some decent units over time - certainly more than enough to garrison its' coastline and thus free up German units. But you will never see the AI do this, for example.
Tim