Events

[Johan Elisson]

No events yet.

Primary discussion at the moment is: Should we have a Versailles Treaty event or not? Compare it with HoI, there is no "dividing Germany into four"-event.

/Elisson

 

[unmerged(7537)]

Question...

I'd like to ask how you think about handling the end of the war in general.
There weren't whole-country occupations like in WW2, but rather the front breaking down (Germany first and foremost) and revolutionary movements rising up in the interior (like in Russia, Austria-Hungary...)

So, would this be handled with events? What about growing dissent towards the end of the War? A series of dissent raising events if the war goes bad for the Central Powers and Russia?

What about Red October/February Revolution in Russia?

 

[brandnew70x7]

If the game extends into the 20's, I think yes, there should be a versailles/trianon event. As Hungary was frickin HUGE before Trianon, and had a population of 20,000,000.

 

[Johan Elisson]

Tambourmajor, yes, I've been thinking of that. Check the Timeline thread.

/Elisson

 

[brandnew70x7]

Another event:

The leader of the Afghan 'war party' (Not a pack of raiders, but a political party) called for jihad against imperialists on the allied side, it was rather popular among afghan people.

It was backed up by an 1915 Loya Jirga Anti-Briitsh Jihad. The country never officially entered war though.

 

[Johan Elisson]

Interresting! Post more of those small things. It will add flavor to the game. Even if playing minors.

/Elisson

 

[brandnew70x7]

How will the 3rd Anglo Afghan War be done? And will Afghanistan use the Pre-Durand Line borders? (If so, it would have coastline on the Indian Ocean)

 

[Allenby]

The Arab Revolt

This event should begin in June 1916.

It should only occur on condition that the British are in control of Egypt. If the Turks are fighting particularly well, and manage to oust the British from Egypt, the Arabs should not rebel.

Hejaz should cease to be a puppet of the Ottoman Empire and align with Great Britain.

T.E. Lawrence (British leader? Hejaz leader?) and Pierce Joyce should join the Hejaz leader list.

Any other thoughts as to how this should be simulated?

 

[brandnew70x7]

A possibility for an event?

During World War I, Afghanistan remained neutral despite pressure to support Turkey when its sultan proclaimed his nation's participation in what it considered a holy war. Habibullah did, however, entertain a Turco-German mission in Kabul in 1915. After much procrastination, he won an agreement from the Central Powers for a huge payment and arms provision in exchange for attacking British India. But the crafty Afghan ruler clearly viewed the war as an opportunity to play one side off against the other, for he also offered the British to resist a Central Powers from an attack on India in exchange for an end to British control of Afghan foreign policy.

 

[StephenT]

"The 21 Demands" - Japan demands concessions from China. Historically took place in July 1915.

First option would be Japan takes control of Shantung and southern Manchuria, plus gains military access to China.
Second option (non-historical): as above plus China becomes a puppet of Japan; but balanced by Japan moving much closer in alignment to the Central Powers, plus unrest, perhaps a resource loss (due to British and American sanctions).

China should get a matching event: accept the demands (increases unrest)(historical option) or war with Japan.

Chinese civil wars:

There was almost one in June 1916: President Yuan Shih-kai (powerbase: Peking) versus the Kuomintang (powerbase: Canton) under Li Yuan-hung. Averted by a compromise which resulted in surrending lots of power to the local provincial governors (the warlords).

A second crisis in June 1917, over the question of war with Germany. Tuan Chi-jui, successor to Yuan (who had died in 1916) was pro-war, the Kuomintang was anti. Chang Hsun, a pro-Kuomintang warlord, launched a coup, seizing Peking and putting Emperor Pu-yi back on the throne. Government forces under Tuan crushed the rebellion and restored the republic. China declared war on Germany soon after (14 August).

However, after this time the Peking government never really controlled the south of China. You could even maybe trigger Nationalist China as a revolter against the Republic of China (using the ChiCom tags - the Chinese Communist Party was allied to the Kuomintang in this period). Eventually (1928) the southern faction would conquer the north and re-unify China (kinda) only for the ChiComs to split away themselves.

Stephen

 

[Kaiser Bill]

Elisson,

I will script some events for German East Africa if that helps. The campaign there was of particular interest to me.

The Restless Kaiser

 

[unmerged(16020)]

http://www.bartleby.com/67/toc6.html

That site has tons of events for all of those tiny countries as well as some big ones. Scroll down at least 1/2 and just click on the country names.

 

[Maximilian I]

in response to Elisson original question:

imo, no, the game ends, when germany is defeated. it doesn`t make sense to add a post war event.

 

[unmerged(1180)]

There was a rather strong group in Sweden that wanted Sweden to join the central powers - a German controlled Riga could for example trigger a Swedish event - "join the war" +dissident, war with Russia, "stay out" reduced dissidence.

 

[brandnew70x7]

Im using the book "Afghan Politics in the Mid 20th century" and the Library of Congress Country Studies website.

 

[Johan Elisson]

Maximillian I, that is what I always have thought also, but think about it, WWI and WWII eventually ended because of two separate things.

WWI ended mainly because of high dissent and shortage of manpower on the German side, WWII ended because the litteraly got crushed. In the first war, the Entente never even put their feet at German soil, right? That's the thing that bothers me...

/Elisson

 

[Phil Beard]

With Germany breaking apart ,could something be done to split the German Empire into some of its constituent parts, say, independence for the Kingdom of Bavaria?

 

[brandnew70x7]

This isn't a fantasy game. (At least I hope) So I dont think Germany should split up..

 

[unmerged(11486)]

It didn't split up in real life, but the Kingdom of Bavaria announced its secession from Germany in (I forget when) 1918. Saxony followed a few days later.

Steele

 

[irishpony]

i have alrwdy made this event chain and i am am finalizing it i will post if any one has any changes they want to make i also have it on the uber thread aroung 3-4 pages from the end