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I'm thinking Elidioemperor will not show up... He hasn't posted in this thread yet... 
You want an RP reason?
Henry V was a warrior of great magnitude. He had launched an attack on the mad Charles VI of France, and his forces looked invincible. Within a year, Caux and Picardie were made English lands, effectively connecting the English strip of northern France, from Calais to the Seine river. At the meeting in Troyes, Henry pushed for his line of inheritance, claiming the throne of France. This decision was met with mixed feelings by the local nobles in Anjou and Normandy, and they felt threatened by endless warfare between Henry and the Dauphin, Charles. They had to choose sides, and in Gascogne and Normandie the Dauphin was the first choice, and the castles changed their flags. But in Caux and Picardie the English were the main candidates.
But then King Henry V died. His son Henry VI, only a child, was put on the throne. The administration of England chose the Duke of Gloucester to act as king until the minority of Henry VI had ended. The Duke was a man of economics, and he came to the wise conclusion that peace was preferred over war with the Dauphin. So he stepped away from the English claims on Paris and decided to concentrate on the rich Lowlands, where Burgundy were lords. Flandern was conquered, and several years later the English territory was extended to the whole strip of Holland and Zeeland to border Friesen.
Gloucester also focused very much on the Royal Navy, and it was enlarged a great deal during the 1420s. This new fleet was now powerful enough to support an invasion of Norway and Denmark, the contestants in the North Sea. Gloucester reckoned that by striking as soon as possible, the English could be lords of the North Sea. Also, there were rumours of the Vikings having knowledge of far off lands; lands Gloucester wanted to claim for England, far away from greedy Europeans.
But this invasion of Scandinavia could not be performed with an aggressive, newly crowned Charles VII up the English ass. Scotland had been vassalised, and Ireland was under control, but the Southern front was not. Charles and Gloucester had become good friends, though, and the two kingdoms signed a pact against Burgundy together, giving France the southern regions of Bourgogne, while England would complete the hegemony over the Dutch by annexing Artois. With this foothold on the continent, the Holy Roman Empire could be watched over, while England took care of the Seas, reaching where no man has ever reached. From the friendly Portuguese they had gotten information of great riches in far away lands, and Gloucester was eager to lay his hands on it. The Portuguese themselves had been treacherously attacked and weakened, however, so the Duke decided it had to be up to him and his admirals. The seas were open...
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The thing about RP is that you can have it at any level. Why not just change all our policies at every monarch change? If you want RP rules, please formulate it well and put it in the rules in a clear manner. The current rule set mentions nothing about having to follow the event choices that are made.
Henry V was a warrior of great magnitude. He had launched an attack on the mad Charles VI of France, and his forces looked invincible. Within a year, Caux and Picardie were made English lands, effectively connecting the English strip of northern France, from Calais to the Seine river. At the meeting in Troyes, Henry pushed for his line of inheritance, claiming the throne of France. This decision was met with mixed feelings by the local nobles in Anjou and Normandy, and they felt threatened by endless warfare between Henry and the Dauphin, Charles. They had to choose sides, and in Gascogne and Normandie the Dauphin was the first choice, and the castles changed their flags. But in Caux and Picardie the English were the main candidates.
But then King Henry V died. His son Henry VI, only a child, was put on the throne. The administration of England chose the Duke of Gloucester to act as king until the minority of Henry VI had ended. The Duke was a man of economics, and he came to the wise conclusion that peace was preferred over war with the Dauphin. So he stepped away from the English claims on Paris and decided to concentrate on the rich Lowlands, where Burgundy were lords. Flandern was conquered, and several years later the English territory was extended to the whole strip of Holland and Zeeland to border Friesen.
Gloucester also focused very much on the Royal Navy, and it was enlarged a great deal during the 1420s. This new fleet was now powerful enough to support an invasion of Norway and Denmark, the contestants in the North Sea. Gloucester reckoned that by striking as soon as possible, the English could be lords of the North Sea. Also, there were rumours of the Vikings having knowledge of far off lands; lands Gloucester wanted to claim for England, far away from greedy Europeans.
But this invasion of Scandinavia could not be performed with an aggressive, newly crowned Charles VII up the English ass. Scotland had been vassalised, and Ireland was under control, but the Southern front was not. Charles and Gloucester had become good friends, though, and the two kingdoms signed a pact against Burgundy together, giving France the southern regions of Bourgogne, while England would complete the hegemony over the Dutch by annexing Artois. With this foothold on the continent, the Holy Roman Empire could be watched over, while England took care of the Seas, reaching where no man has ever reached. From the friendly Portuguese they had gotten information of great riches in far away lands, and Gloucester was eager to lay his hands on it. The Portuguese themselves had been treacherously attacked and weakened, however, so the Duke decided it had to be up to him and his admirals. The seas were open...
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The thing about RP is that you can have it at any level. Why not just change all our policies at every monarch change? If you want RP rules, please formulate it well and put it in the rules in a clear manner. The current rule set mentions nothing about having to follow the event choices that are made.
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Hey, I protest your unfair assumption that Portugal was attacked unjustly. They are filthy people and needed to know the refreshing taste of Castilian liberation and Unified Iberian rule.
It is an insult to liberty and a direct mockery of the English Crown's close diplomatical allies.R3lic said:
Hey SorelusImperion, could we start discussing the next session, and this past one so it's clear to all, what kind of game this ought to be (rules etc.), when we're gonna play again and if we will restart or play on.
@R3lic, speaking as Dauphin: It is your aggression that feeds this Unholy Franco-Anglian alliance, I too proclaim a guarantee for Portugal. If you take it, We will be forced to take from you what We would have begotten from the Portuguese...
Btw: You have to many cats
@R3lic, speaking as Dauphin: It is your aggression that feeds this Unholy Franco-Anglian alliance, I too proclaim a guarantee for Portugal. If you take it, We will be forced to take from you what We would have begotten from the Portuguese...
Btw: You have to many cats
btw you guys claim wari bana is dutch, well hes not, hes a rebelous belgian, that should belong to the owner of beglium in 1830. Making that flandern will be a dutch province again.
rebel scum /Darth vader off
, hes a rebelous belgian, that should belong to the owner of beglium in 1830. Making that flandern will be a dutch province again.rebel scum
/Darth vader off
martmol said:btw you guys claim wari bana is dutch, well hes not
rebel scum
i confess: i'm a filthy Belgian
Hey martmol, there's still some countries open, and the dates are not fixed yet, may be we'll even restart again. What time suits you?
Just to clarify; I have no problems with a restart. Neither do I mind that we continue, in fact I prefer that we do. More players are nice and dandy, but I also believe we can make it work with only 4.
Wari Bana is right. We need a GM statement on what specific set-of-mind that is required in this game. Whatever the statement is, I'll respect it, even if I'll disagree. If we are getting a restart, then it is good to know that early, so that we can make new plans/strategies.
Wari Bana is right. We need a GM statement on what specific set-of-mind that is required in this game. Whatever the statement is, I'll respect it, even if I'll disagree. If we are getting a restart, then it is good to know that early, so that we can make new plans/strategies.
I am happy either way. But I wouldn't mind having an OE, Sweden, and Russia. It would make the game more interesting because as it is we have 3 colonial powerhouses and the lone ranger in Germany with no one to play with.
Ok. I think we will do a restart and I will think about how to make a formal rule to keep this game competetive.
The unholy alliance would have been a lot better if the right events would have been chosen since the exact scenario wich happened in the game is simulated through events. Due to the balance of the game players are strongly advised to make logical choices in the events. Of course England would have not gained as many cores but that's what the events were designed for. As it is France and England would have got all the boni connected with the 100YW while not fighting it wich is even worse due to the lack of opposition during the first 50 years when Austria is still too small.
You are right. I made a mistake but I thought most people would understand that with AGCEEP especialy when using the 1419 start gamey behavior and choices are a big red NO considering that Austria with it's 2 provinces is extremely vulnerable and much of the games balance is directed through events. Of course France/Dauphine may have ended up defeated but even against an Anglo-Castillian alliance it would have had a good chance of success given the boni it gets. If you dislike the rules I'll propose below I'll just choose another country to make myself less dependent on your behaviour.
-RPG required: make logical choices in the events you get. Avoid gamey behaviour and act in character during the game.
If you want to take an ahistoric choice than choose the events accordingly.
-I think I'll add some boni to further encourage taking historical choices (gold, reduced inflation, stability, sliders, improved reputation) this could be done via a system with missions.
Martmol if you want to play I'd like you to propose an alternative day.
The unholy alliance would have been a lot better if the right events would have been chosen since the exact scenario wich happened in the game is simulated through events. Due to the balance of the game players are strongly advised to make logical choices in the events. Of course England would have not gained as many cores but that's what the events were designed for. As it is France and England would have got all the boni connected with the 100YW while not fighting it wich is even worse due to the lack of opposition during the first 50 years when Austria is still too small.
You are right. I made a mistake but I thought most people would understand that with AGCEEP especialy when using the 1419 start gamey behavior and choices are a big red NO considering that Austria with it's 2 provinces is extremely vulnerable and much of the games balance is directed through events. Of course France/Dauphine may have ended up defeated but even against an Anglo-Castillian alliance it would have had a good chance of success given the boni it gets. If you dislike the rules I'll propose below I'll just choose another country to make myself less dependent on your behaviour.
-RPG required: make logical choices in the events you get. Avoid gamey behaviour and act in character during the game.
If you want to take an ahistoric choice than choose the events accordingly.
-I think I'll add some boni to further encourage taking historical choices (gold, reduced inflation, stability, sliders, improved reputation) this could be done via a system with missions.
Martmol if you want to play I'd like you to propose an alternative day.
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d like to participate in this game, though i do not have a lot of multiplayer EU2 experience) my time is GMT+3 and i m totally allright with ya playtime... planning to finish my term paper, and sunday night will be a really nice time to play some Europe
d like to participate in this game, though i do not have a lot of multiplayer EU2 experience) my time is GMT+3 and i m totally allright with ya playtime... planning to finish my term paper, and sunday night will be a really nice time to play some Europe