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Re: Re: I like it

Originally posted by DarthMaur
Thats not gamey, thats lead-lease

Actually, it's not. IRL, Lend-Lease was pretty much just trucks and jeeps (no tech involved), aircraft that the owners didnt want (P-39 Airacobra, although the Russians actually loved it as a 'Pre-Sturmovik'), and WW1 surplus destroyers, plus some Grant and Stuart tanks, which were obsolete when lent. (The Russians let a lot of them rot on the docks)

The US Lend-Lease program, IIRC, never gave out the newest combat equipment (US soldiers needed it)

In HOI terms, Lend-Lease would be more like: send exp. forces that are at least 1 level less than US can build, US would get all their manpower back, and receiving country would supply the manpower.

If you want to call massive supply infusion from USA 'Lend-Lease', then try this out if Axis, with human Italy and Germany: (just an idea, have not tried it yet)

Italy spends IC on Consumer goods to manage dissent, plus if 'no doctrine' tech share rule in place, enough research for 1 doctrine at a time. ALL remaining IC are shipped to Germany as supplies (unless Italy wants to build the odd inf) Italy 'orders' units from Germany, who uses Italian IC to build them (maybe Germany keeps 10% 'profit' to enhance research) Germany gives mil. control to Italy, and PRESTO! Hessian mercenaries Italy gets better tech units for same money, and Germany has more IC.
Also, Italy will have more IC, since they only need to research doctrines (Germany shares inf tech), and can get units they would never be able to research. (eg. Adv. Med Tanks)

I consider the above tactic gamey, and I HATE gamey tactics, but if the Allies are using massive US supply infusion, that's just as gamey IMO, and I like to fight fire with fire

 

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Re: Re: Re: I like it

Originally posted by varak
Actually, it's not. IRL, Lend-Lease was pretty much just trucks and jeeps (no tech involved), aircraft that the owners didnt want (P-39 Airacobra, although the Russians actually loved it as a 'Pre-Sturmovik'), and WW1 surplus destroyers, plus some Grant and Stuart tanks, which were obsolete when lent. (The Russians let a lot of them rot on the docks)

The US Lend-Lease program, IIRC, never gave out the newest combat equipment (US soldiers needed it)

In HOI terms, Lend-Lease would be more like: send exp. forces that are at least 1 level less than US can build, US would get all their manpower back, and receiving country would supply the manpower.

If you want to call massive supply infusion from USA 'Lend-Lease', then try this out if Axis, with human Italy and Germany: (just an idea, have not tried it yet)

Italy spends IC on Consumer goods to manage dissent, plus if 'no doctrine' tech share rule in place, enough research for 1 doctrine at a time. ALL remaining IC are shipped to Germany as supplies (unless Italy wants to build the odd inf) Italy 'orders' units from Germany, who uses Italian IC to build them (maybe Germany keeps 10% 'profit' to enhance research) Germany gives mil. control to Italy, and PRESTO! Hessian mercenaries Italy gets better tech units for same money, and Germany has more IC.
Also, Italy will have more IC, since they only need to research doctrines (Germany shares inf tech), and can get units they would never be able to research. (eg. Adv. Med Tanks)

I consider the above tactic gamey, and I HATE gamey tactics, but if the Allies are using massive US supply infusion, that's just as gamey IMO, and I like to fight fire with fire

What you describe is indeed gamey.

But it is different from USA sending supplies, and only supplies to UK, and even France or USSR, at least it seems so for me...

If you want some house rule, as sending supplies to Allies can be unbalancing (especially to France), make it is only possible after USA joins allies, then it can send supplies to any anti-axis country (at war with axis)

 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: I like it

Originally posted by DarthMaur
What you describe is indeed gamey.

But it is different from USA sending supplies, and only supplies to UK, and even France or USSR, at least it seems so for me...

If you want some house rule, as sending supplies to Allies can be unbalancing (especially to France), make it is only possible after USA joins allies, then it can send supplies to any anti-axis country (at war with axis)

How about nobody can send supplies to any country, unless the receiving country is at war. (If a country is not at war, why do they need extra supplies?)

I'd rather see any rules applied to all countries, as opposed to singling anyone out. I'm not anti-Allies, I just happened to be Axis when I ran into the situation.

As USA, I sent 25 supplies a day to China, and felt guilty about it

Seriously though, if you were American, and your President was sending 30% of your GNP overseas to countries that weren't even at war yet (trying to avoid it, in fact), how long would he be President?

IMO (not many will agree) Alliances are a military thing, not a scientific or economic thing, as far as the scope of this game

Another problem is that the whole thing is a grey area. I agree that some help should be given by countries that can, but at what point does it become 'gamy'? If you were to impose a supply limit, everyone would have a different idea of what that should be