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The question is how CK will model the "well known" familiy lines. It can't be all random generated, since then we will never see Lionheart, St. Louie, Fredrick Barbarossa etc.

To give us these important characters I feel something need to be scripted no matter what. I can imagine a script giving the base outline of a family, and then a dynamic dynastic model (of some kind) fill in the rest...
 
If Saint-Louis' forefather dies or isn't chosen as heirs, then Saint-Louis doesn't exist. Period. How would you impose them? We can't impose descendants who wouldn't exist otherwise.

Probably they will be present in many pre-made scenarios, but the Grand Campaign would not impose any famous character at all.

Think of it this way : What happens to Louis IX if the second son of Louis VI the Big becomes King instead of the first, for whatever reason?

Drakken
 
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Originally posted by Drakken
If Saint-Louis' forefather dies or isn't chosen as heirs, then Saint-Louis doesn't exist. Period. How would you impose them? We can't impose descendants who wouldn't exist otherwise.

Probably they will be present in many pre-made scenarios, but the Grand Campaign would not impose any famous character at all.

Drakken
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Well, if St. Louie's forefathers doesn't die, wouldn't it be nice if he actually does show up, an not some other dude?

Of course - if the dynasty is dead they are impossible, I can agree on that.
 
Originally posted by Havard


Well, if St. Louie's forefathers doesn't die, wouldn't it be nice if he actually does show up, an not some other dude?

Of course - if the dynasty is dead they are impossible, I can agree on that.
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If the whole lineage is respected to the letter, with all necessary marriages, exact names and and exact heirs, why not?

But let's be realistic, this is almost impossible with full flexibility.

Even if the marriages are different but the lineage is respected, Louis IX may appears instead as François I, totally vegetable and ludicrous, worshipping Satan in the backcorner of his latrines. :D

I still think they'll appear in limited scenarios, but not in the "GC".

Drakken
 
Originally posted by Drakken


So much research wasted if the heirs are not historical, eh ? :D

Drakken
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Not at all. Even if the game wanders far from history by having completely different family trees due to different marriages and different children being born, the names can be used by the computer (or by the player) as a database of "typical" or "traditional" names for a particular county/duchy/kingdom. That way we would likely see lots of Guillaumes as Dukes of Aquitaine, but few as Kings of France (where Louis of course would be most common)...
 
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Not at all. Even if the game wanders far from history by having completely different family trees due to different marriages and different children being born, the names can be used by the computer (or by the player) as a database of "typical" or "traditional" names for a particular county/duchy/kingdom. That way we would likely see lots of Guillaumes as Dukes of Aquitaine, as there were historically...
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I know. i was just teasing. :)

For Kings of France and England, the list is quite simple : Louis, Charles, Philippe. Jean is the exception that confirms the rule. :D

Drakken
 
Originally posted by Wasa
I agree with you there. The game could use a "pool" of default names for each Kingdom, Duchy or county.

It will always be quite possible to have a Valdemar as danish king or a Dmitrij in Novgorod that way..
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Still, if you decide to name your heirs or Kings otherwise, the pool should record this name to maybe use it later. If I choose to name of my heirs François, it should be usable later.

Drakken
 
Originally posted by Drakken


If the whole lineage is respected to the letter, with all necessary marriages, exact names and and exact heirs, why not?

But let's be realistic, this is almost impossible with full flexibility.
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I know. But consider this: If Philip I the Fair, king of France, manage to produce a male heir - wouldn't it be nice is this eldest son was named Louis as the later king Louis VI was IRL?

Then, again, if this Louis become king and produce a male heir he would be Philip, while the second son would be Louis (ancestor of St. Louie)?

I know this is maybe wishful thinking, but if one could manage to do this? - it would be awesome :D
 
this not worked always that way, but was common
 
Originally posted by Havard


I know. But consider this: If Philip I the Fair, king of France, manage to produce a male heir - wouldn't it be nice is this eldest son was named Louis as the later king Louis VI was IRL?

Then, again, if this Louis become king and produce a male heir he would be Philip, while the second son would be Louis (ancestor of St. Louie)?

I know this is maybe wishful thinking, but if one could manage to do this? - it would be awesome :D
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Well, you could try to follow the lineage the best your can.

But nothing guarantees in the end that your Saint Louis would receive the same stats or status that the real Saint Louis. Nothing guarantess he will even be a Saint. :D

Drakken
 
Originally posted by Havard


I know. But consider this: If Philip I the Fair, king of France, manage to produce a male heir - wouldn't it be nice is this eldest son was named Louis as the later king Louis VI was IRL?

Then, again, if this Louis become king and produce a male heir he would be Philip, while the second son would be Louis (ancestor of St. Louie)?

I know this is maybe wishful thinking, but if one could manage to do this? - it would be awesome :D
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Without interference by the player I would hope that this would be the case in most of the games. If i were to play a country which had no dealings with France I would hope that there would be a good chance of this happening.

Did I just say that twice? I am so excited by this game.:)
 
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