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Deciding where to put airfields is really difficult. Basing them on where people had aircraft was the best I could come up with.

I did rather screw up the V2 period. Clearly I overestimated the effectiveness of LF.
 
How come there was no coal in africa/south america? is that in any way that way IRL? -I know there were large deposits in the Ruhr and in ..Wales? -somewhere in England. But I thought there was significant deposits of coal on all continents?
 
King of Men said:
In real life, yes. In Vicky's resource setup, no.
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Actual, real-life South America has very little coal. About a quarter of what Germany has, if Wiki is to be believed. Africa neither, and what it has is in South Africa. So the resource setup is pretty OK.
 
African coal & oil exists in massive quantities it's just not been exploited much. East Africa especially Mozambique is the hot area in the global resource industry right now.

The resource profile of an industrailised African state would bear very little relation to 20th century production.
 
We had this discussion at some length when the EU3->Vic2 converter was being written; "resources actually physically in the ground in RL" versus "resources balanced for gameplay" versus "resources that were historically developed in the nineteenth century and are therefore on the V2 map". In the end I went with the latter basically because there's no information in an EU3 save that can be used to decide "here is some coal". Or anyway, the distribution would have been equally arbitrary in that it would be based on EU3-period historically-developed resources instead of same for the V2 period. And then there would be the additional challenge of balancing it. At least the V2 setup had had someone, at some point, give some thought to balance. Maybe not enough, but some.
 
I don't for a moment disagree with your call on that from a practical point of view. The question is more one for future games, historical resoures or more 'balanced' resources. No easy answer.

Even now you'd be hard pushed to do a real resources in the ground approach for Africa or much of South East Asia. There's an Indonesian coalminer listed on the London Stock Exchange FFS!
 
So : is there a real argument against these statements:"The amount of known coal deposits are dependent upon the investments into finding them" and "the investments into finding them has been dependent upon the industrialization of the country originating the investment" and "investments into finding said resources have been greatest in the country and colonies thereof, from which said investments originate". (trying to backdate to a time before the Globalization...).

I know that you had to get the converter finished, and so had to make a choice. From the peanuts perspective, where words are very easy, and action is not an option ;) I must say that it had very great consequences for your game, that only 2 major countries had anticipated this..The players of those must be very smart! .. :) Maybe try to have converters ready sooner, so ppl. can prepare better? -It might be impossible, but having the eu>vicky ready when EU starts, and vicky to Hoi ready when vicky starts? At least for something major like this?
 
Having a job, a family, and a somewhat time-consuming hobby involving the writing of AARs unfortunately prevents me from working fast enough to accomplish what you suggest.
 
Could simplify BlitzMartinDK's statements by assuming each country only investigates resources in it's own territory - why find things for enemies?
 
King of Men said:
Having a job, a family, and a somewhat time-consuming hobby involving the writing of AARs unfortunately prevents me from working fast enough to accomplish what you suggest.
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..Possible to make a general decision whether you go with vanilla resources or some sort of modification, at the times I mentioned? Preferably with something approaching rules for said modifikation?
 
PrawnStar said:
Could simplify BlitzMartinDK's statements by assuming each country only investigates resources in it's own territory - why find things for enemies?
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..there might be reasons why private investors would. Like looking for gold and diamonds in South Afrika, by Lord whats-his-name from Great Britain..(leading to GB taking it away from the Dutch...)
But yes: Part of that is the safety in knowing the laws and rules in your own country, having contacts there, and stuff. And other countries might suddenly become enemies, yes.

(ohh: I was not only commenting on the Game, but trying to make an assumption about RL too..)

Ingame: A parent-nation might invest in a Vassal, long-time allies might benefit from the industrialization of the most advanced partner, colonies of course..
 
King of Men said:
Having a job, a family, and a somewhat time-consuming hobby involving the writing of AARs unfortunately prevents me from working fast enough to accomplish what you suggest.
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Yup! And I sympathize. Which is why my advice to any future African player was "mortgage your soul if you need to, to conquer extra-African coal" rather than "perform hundreds of hours of research into unexploited African coal" ;)

I find it interesting that Ulmont pretty much concluded the same thing about Brittany as Fasq and I ended up concluding about Kongo and Ethiopia - the continent itself is your biggest obstacle to staying a superpower once you get into a game where resources matter. eu3-DW wasn't really that game (unlike eu3 vanilla you played with last time, since grain got a high price in DW) though the resources were still much less diverse than any other continent. v2 sure was!

I'm curious if anyone thought that any of the AOD conversion factors were set too high. Myself by the time we were a few sessions into AOD I suspected that manpower gain was set too high across the board - powers with the IC of vanilla USA/USSR, but twice the manpower gain would lead to manpower becoming fairly irrelevant. Perhaps the minors had more trouble there, though. Did any major power suffer manpower pressure in the World Wars?
 
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I've getting used to play Soviets in the vanilla Armageddon MP games and in there around 1942 if you still had MP left - you were doing it wrong!...
So yes, MP was ridicilously high for the IC africa for example had for production... neither of us were even below 1000 MP in the pool at the begining of the end.

Then again, had we both had 600 IC; we could have brougth that MP to the field and win this game (or atleast break the catalunia-germany alliance and focus then on beating each others ;))

As for resources, I cannot say how they mattered for IC conversion, but my observation was that Africa was well sufficently stockpiled and capable of using all our IC wihtout any resource defiencies. And in anycase we were figthinh germany anyways, so victory would have brougth that coal to our use regardless.
 
Gollevainen said:
As for resources, I cannot say how they mattered for IC conversion, but my observation was that Africa was well sufficently stockpiled and capable of using all our IC wihtout any resource defiencies. And in anycase we were figthinh germany anyways, so victory would have brougth that coal to our use regardless.
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Should have had plenty. Ethiopian base production was pretty low, but I built up a stockpile for war via trading away rares, oil and a bit of cash. The main impact of coal shortages was in the v2 era on the nation's industry as a whole; with AOD's fairly large international production it wasn't hard to import cheap coal.
 
oddman said:
Well, I admit to having to disband old INF divisions to build new ones.

And I did not really build that excessively many.
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Hmm. Perhaps that's why everyone else's manpower was too high? I don't think mine dropped below 2000 through the whole game.
 
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