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I assume it'll remain the same as in eu3 and the others. and not like in CK???

I really,really,really hope so. Only with the possibility to recrute a standing army this game can be fun.


P.S. I don't expect to much(military sector), I no it wont be a TW game, and I'm very happy about that!!
 
What do you mean by "like in CK"? The only thing I really remember about the CK fighting system was that you had to raise your troops rather than have standing armies.
 
Sakura said:
What do you mean by "like in CK"? The only thing I really remember about the CK fighting system was that you had to raise your troops rather than have standing armies.
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I think that is exactly what he means :)

That the game should allow for standing armies, and not based on the province regiment in CK, where you would bankrupt yourself within a few months if you left them as standing armies.

I think it will have standing armies, as that seems to be the way it worked in Japan at the time. I don't think they will port over CK2 and just put a japanese finish over it. It will be its own style of game, with some elements from CK2 and some from EU series and maybe some unique for this game.
 
It changed over the period, but for the first half it wasn't so different from Europe, I think.

For the first fifty years or so the footsoldiers were farmers who would go fight then return to their farms. As battles became larger in scale (and more common) a professional soldier class developed.
 
From what I've read the period saw a drastic transition from small armies made almost entirely of mounted archers to big armies with mainly infantry.

I'd be curious how they handle the street-by-street fighting in Kyouto during the Ounin War.
 
Sjiveru said:
I'd be curious how they handle the street-by-street fighting in Kyouto during the Ounin War.
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I'd hate to disapoint you, but there won't be any "street-by-street fighting" in the game. Not really within the scope of a grand stategy game... :p
 
Aw, that's a shame. Most of the war was fought within the city, though -- maybe you could do it by some kind of really long unresolved combat in a province?
 
Having large professional standing armies is not really appropriate for this period. For that matter, it's not really appropriate for most of EU3.

There should definitely be a small core of that professional warrior class Sakura mentioned, but at no point were they the majority in any daimyo's army.
 
Calanctus said:
Having large professional standing armies is not really appropriate for this period. For that matter, it's not really appropriate for most of EU3.
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Well, towards the end of the period you have battles like Sekigahara (~160.000) and sieges like that of Odawara (~100.000).
 
If there's such a big shift then maybe it could be a mix? Having a Supply Limit for standing armies (uniquely) that increases over time (or tech?) so nations rely less on their provincial peasant levies and more on their Warrior Caste? Just an idea, don't know if it's appropriate. :)
 
RedRalphWiggum said:
With all due respect, did you really expect there to be streetfighting in the game? Paradox never has that sort of thing.
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city provinces in HoI2?

will we get the Urban Commander trait for our generals in Sengoku? :p
 
Calanctus said:
Having large professional standing armies is not really appropriate for this period. For that matter, it's not really appropriate for most of EU3.

There should definitely be a small core of that professional warrior class Sakura mentioned, but at no point were they the majority in any daimyo's army.
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It depends on how you interpret what I meant by a professional soldier class. The mass armies of the late Sengoku period were made up of 10-20% "elite" samurai and 80-90% ashigaru, but the latter was a mix of peasant conscripts and full-time soldiers.
 
Sjiveru said:
I'd be curious how they handle the street-by-street fighting in Kyouto during the Ounin War.
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Oh, first dibs on Akuma! :D
 
Sakura said:
It depends on how you interpret what I meant by a professional soldier class. The mass armies of the late Sengoku period were made up of 10-20% "elite" samurai and 80-90% ashigaru, but the latter was a mix of peasant conscripts and full-time soldiers.
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What I'd like to see is the samurai armies represented as retinues, meaning your professional manpower doesn't come from your land but from the members of your family, and then have the ashigaru be represented as irregular troops who are raised for a season or two and then sent back to the farms. Different reforms and decisions would make retinues larger or improve training and tactics in the ashigaru, but your troops would remain split between the professional and irregular forces.
 
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