• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Matihood1

Lt. General
22 Badges
Mar 7, 2014
1.252
829
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Victoria 2
  • Mount & Blade: With Fire and Sword
  • Surviving Mars: Digital Deluxe Edition
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Magicka: Wizard Wars Founder Wizard
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • War of the Roses
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
So apparently in 1.21 patch the Polish dynamic province names from my old thread have finally been added to the game. However, since the time I made that thread, a few new provinces have been added and I've also made some additional research which brought me to the conlusion that the Polish dynamic province names need to be updated once again. Here's the list of the suggested changes/additions:
  • Neumark (49) => Santok (Santok was an old Polish fortress next to which the city of Landsberg was built. Apparently it was still important in the EU4 timeline; this one should be a priority because right now we have 2 provinces called Lubusz when owned by Poland)
  • Constantinople (151) => Carogród (Polish version of the name Tsargrad, a Slavic name for Constantinople used in multiple Slavic languages. Currently, Russian and Czech cultures use that name so why wouldn't Polish culture use it as well?)
  • Hont (154) => [nothing] (the current Polish dynamic name - Nowe Zamki - refers to the old name of the province - Érsekújvár. With the new name, there's no need for a Polish dynamic name)
  • Bashkortostan (475) => Baszkortostan/Baszkiria (I think this province should be renamed to Bashkiria since Bashkortostan is the name of the modern day federal subject of Russia; If that happens, please use the name Baszkiria as a Polish dynamic province name and if not, use Baszkortostan
  • White Karelia (1776) => [nothing] (Before, this province's default name was Kem and now the default name of the province is perfectly fine)
  • Udmurtia (1972) => Udmurcja (I don't really know why I thought using the Russian city name instead of a Polish version of the region name was a good idea)
  • Agyidel (2420) => Agidel
  • Trencin (4236) =>Trenczyn (also, I think the default name of the province and the province capital should be renamed to Trenčin since "č" is supported by the game's text rendering system)
  • Olomouc (4237) => Olomuniec
  • Liegnitz (4238) => Legnica
After doing some research I found out that some provinces didn't need Polish dynamic province names in the first place as the default names were fine. Here's the list:
  • Lower Don (288)
  • Tura (1078) - Tura is apparently the name of the river flowing through Siberia so I guess it's okay to leave the province name as it is
  • Pelym (1080) - Same reasoning as with Tura
  • Kudymkar (1962)
  • Majar (2416)
  • Ukek (2418)
Tagging @Trin Tragula just to be sure you see this thread. I attached the .txt file for your convenience (also, fixed the order as it was a bit messed up)
 

Attachments

  • polish.txt
    2,2 KB · Views: 347
Upvote 0
Here are some suggestions for Polish-owned provs:


47 = "Strzalów" - (instead of Stralsund)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralsund#History

2406 = "Oczaków" - (Ingul) The famous fortress was located on a peninsula in the Black Sea, to protect the entrance to the Dnieper Rivers's estuary, just opposite of Kinburn promontory. Due to its strategic location strong fortifications were built, destroyed and rebuilt by Moldavia, Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, Moldavia's ally Zaporozhian Cossacks, and Ottoman Empire.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oczaków#/media/File:Oczakow_1787_mapa.jpg

2994 = "Wologoszcz"- (Wolgast) was residence of the Pomeranian dukes from 1285 until the ruling House of Pomerania became extinct in 1637. The city was capital of Pomerania-Wolgast, a longtime inner partition of the duchy . Polish "Gryfia", if prov is still named after Greifswald.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Bistum_Cammin_1400.PNG

4238 = "Lignica" - The city was named "Legnica" by decision of polish Commission for the Determination of Place Names in late 1946 (officially in effect from 1.1.1947). Until then "Lignica" was name used by Wasserpolen, Slavic-speaking Silesians and recognized by Polish elites as well.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...ch_miejscowosci_z_patentu_Fryderyka_II_1750.jpg
Słownik geograficzny Królestwa Polskiego i innych krajów słowiańskich, Tom V
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Legnicy#/media/File:Legnica_PKP_tablica.jpg
http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG_maps/v...OLITA_POLSKA_Mapa_administracyjna_1M_1946.jpg
 
Additionaly, Liegnitz should be called Lehnice if owned by Bohemia. It would be even more fitting if the province was named Schweidnitz/Svídnice/Świdnica, as this duchy had a bit more importance in the late middle ages and better suits the ingame province geographically, but that's just a minor issue.
 
Thanks. I'll have a look. :)

Additionaly, Liegnitz should be called Lehnice if owned by Bohemia. It would be even more fitting if the province was named Schweidnitz/Svídnice, as this duchy carried more importance in the late middle ages and sbetter uits the ingame province geographically, but that's just a minor issue.

As a side note, if you want to see which Silesian entity is part of which province check the comments in the history files :)
 
Another set of suggestions for Polish-owned provs:

37 = "Parnawa" - (instead of Liwlandia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnawa_Voivodeship

273 = "Inflanty" - (Latgalia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflanty_Voivodeship

285 = "Teodozja" - (Kaffa)
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodozja_(miasto)

1756 = "Budziak" - (Besarabia)
https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/enlarge/22572
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Łotwa-historyczne_dzielnice_mapka.png
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwonia
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Łatgalia
I think the current names for the Livonian Order lands are fine. Maybe when we get a revision of this region and some more provinces then we should change the Polish dynamic names. For now it's fine as it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodosia
According to the English Wikipedia, the city was called Kaffa for most of its history including the EU4 timeline so I think the current name is fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budjak#Name_and_geography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Partitions_of_Moldavia.jpg
As to Bessarabia, the current name refers to the traditional name of the region. The name Budjak (Budziak) came to use much later.
 
Last edited:
Some random extra provinces. Many are just Polish transliterations, really:
1 = "Sztokholm"
13 = "Szlezwik"
18 = "Laponia"
25 = "Gotlandia"
57 = "Brunszwik"
59 = "Wittenberga"
61 = "Drezno"
63 = "Turyngia"
65 = "Monachium"
67 = "Norymberga"
70 = "Wirtembergia"
73 = "Tyrol"
75 = "Alzacja"
78 = "Moguncja"
80 = "Trewir"
85 = "Kolonia"
94 = "Luksemburg"
97 = "Holandia"
100 = "Fryzja"
101 = "Genua"
102 = "Nicea"
108 = "Werona"
112 = "Wenecja"
115 = "Piza"
116 = "Florencja"
118 = "Rzym"
121 = "Neapol"
134 = "Wiedeń"
146 = "Ateny"
147 = "Tesalia"
163 = "Kreta"
165 = "Brno"
168 = "Normandia"
183 = "Paryz"
184 = "Orlean"
186 = "Szampania"
189 = "Lotaryngia"
200 = "Langwedocja"
202 = "Awinion"
204 = "Delfinat"
207 = "Madryt"
227 = "Lizbona"
233 = "Kornwalia"
236 = "londyn"
265 = "Morawia"
320 = "Rodos"
328 = "Synopa"
341 = "Tunezja"
344 = "Marakesz"
354 = "Trypolitania"
358 = "Aleksandria"
361 = "Kair"
365 = "Synaj"
379 = "Jerozolima"
382 = "Damaszek"
384 = "Medyna"
385 = "Mekka"
395 = "Katar"
410 = "Bagdad"
522 = "Deli"
667 = "Kanton"
668 = "Makau"
841 = "Gwatemala"
852 = "Meksyk"
1020 = "Kioto"
1034 = "Kamczatka"
1043 = "Ohock"
1074 = "Sybir"
1231 = "Asuan"
1240 = "Hawaje"
1247 = "Korsyka"
1744 = "Antwerpia"
1749 = "Kadyks"
1758 = "Hanower"
1759 = "Poczdam"
1775 = "Holsztyn"
1816 = "Pekin"
1931 = "Wschodnia Fryzja"
2982 = "Syrakuzy"
 
Some random extra provinces. Many are just Polish transliterations, really:
1 = "Sztokholm"
13 = "Szlezwik"
18 = "Laponia"
25 = "Gotlandia"
57 = "Brunszwik"
59 = "Wittenberga"
61 = "Drezno"
63 = "Turyngia"
65 = "Monachium"
67 = "Norymberga"
70 = "Wirtembergia"
73 = "Tyrol"
75 = "Alzacja"
78 = "Moguncja"
80 = "Trewir"
85 = "Kolonia"
94 = "Luksemburg"
97 = "Holandia"
100 = "Fryzja"
101 = "Genua"
102 = "Nicea"
108 = "Werona"
112 = "Wenecja"
115 = "Piza"
116 = "Florencja"
118 = "Rzym"
121 = "Neapol"
134 = "Wiedeń"
146 = "Ateny"
147 = "Tesalia"
163 = "Kreta"
165 = "Brno"
168 = "Normandia"
183 = "Paryz"
184 = "Orlean"
186 = "Szampania"
189 = "Lotaryngia"
200 = "Langwedocja"
202 = "Awinion"
204 = "Delfinat"
207 = "Madryt"
227 = "Lizbona"
233 = "Kornwalia"
236 = "londyn"
265 = "Morawia"
320 = "Rodos"
328 = "Synopa"
341 = "Tunezja"
344 = "Marakesz"
354 = "Trypolitania"
358 = "Aleksandria"
361 = "Kair"
365 = "Synaj"
379 = "Jerozolima"
382 = "Damaszek"
384 = "Medyna"
385 = "Mekka"
395 = "Katar"
410 = "Bagdad"
522 = "Deli"
667 = "Kanton"
668 = "Makau"
841 = "Gwatemala"
852 = "Meksyk"
1020 = "Kioto"
1034 = "Kamczatka"
1043 = "Ohock"
1074 = "Sybir"
1231 = "Asuan"
1240 = "Hawaje"
1247 = "Korsyka"
1744 = "Antwerpia"
1749 = "Kadyks"
1758 = "Hanower"
1759 = "Poczdam"
1775 = "Holsztyn"
1816 = "Pekin"
1931 = "Wschodnia Fryzja"
2982 = "Syrakuzy"
Thanks but I don't really see a reason for a nation not fit for colonisation to have dynamic names for provinces on the other side of the world. Let's just focus on provinces around Poland for now.
 
Last edited:
So apparently in 1.21 patch the Polish dynamic province names from my old thread have finally been added to the game. However, since the time I made that thread, a few new provinces have been added and I've also made some additional research which brought me to the conlusion that the Polish dynamic province names need to be updated once again. Here's the list of the suggested changes/additions:
  • Neumark (49) => Santok (Santok was an old Polish fortress next to which the city of Landsberg was built. Apparently it was still important in the EU4 timeline; this one should be a priority because right now we have 2 provinces called Lubusz when owned by Poland)
  • Constantinople (151) => Carogród (Polish version of the name Tsargrad, a Slavic name for Constantinople used in multiple Slavic languages. Currently, Russian and Czech cultures use that name so why wouldn't Polish culture use it as well?)
  • Hont (154) => [nothing] (the current Polish dynamic name - Nowe Zamki - refers to the old name of the province - Érsekújvár. With the new name, there's no need for a Polish dynamic name)
  • Bashkortostan (475) => Baszkortostan/Baszkiria (I think this province should be renamed to Bashkiria since Bashkortostan is the name of the modern day federal subject of Russia; If that happens, please use the name Baszkiria as a Polish dynamic province name and if not, use Baszkortostan
  • White Karelia (1776) => [nothing] (Before, this province's default name was Kem and now the default name of the province is perfectly fine)
  • Udmurtia (1972) => Udmurcja (I don't really know why I thought using the Russian city name instead of a Polish version of the region name was a good idea)
  • Agyidel (2420) => Agidel
  • Trencin (4236) =>Trenczyn (also, I think the default name of the province and the province capital should be renamed to Trenčin since "č" is supported by the game's text rendering system)
  • Olomouc (4237) => Olomuniec
  • Liegnitz (4238) => Legnica
After doing some research I found out that some provinces didn't need Polish dynamic province names in the first place as the default names were fine. Here's the list:
  • Lower Don (288)
  • Tura (1078) - Tura is apparently the name of the river flowing through Siberia so I guess it's okay to leave the province name as it is
  • Pelym (1080) - Same reasoning as with Tura
  • Kudymkar (1962)
  • Majar (2416)
  • Ukek (2418)
Tagging @Trin Tragula just to be sure you see this thread. I attached the .txt file for your convenience (also, fixed the order as it was a bit messed up)

One question - why "Carogród" (which is rarely used) instead of "Konstantynopol", which is commonly used and instantly recognizable for anyone in Poland ?
 
Thanks but I don't really see a reason for a nation not fit for colonisation to have dynamic names for provinces on the other side of the world. Let's just focus on provinces around Poland for now.
Yes, I think a single extra word is such a burden for the game that adding it can cause constant crashes.
One question - why "Carogród" (which is rarely used) instead of "Konstantynopol", which is commonly used and instantly recognizable for anyone in Poland ?
Frankly, I'm not convinced by Carogród either. It's more of a translation of the name the Russians used. Although maybe it was more common in the old days.
 
Yes, I think a single extra word is such a burden for the game that adding it can cause constant crashes.
That's not what I meant. I just don't want to repeat the case of Czech dynamic province names. Right now we have more Czech dynamic names than any other culture, even French, Spanish or English which is kind of ridiculous.
One question - why "Carogród" (which is rarely used) instead of "Konstantynopol", which is commonly used and instantly recognizable for anyone in Poland ?
Frankly, I'm not convinced by Carogród either. It's more of a translation of the name the Russians used. Although maybe it was more common in the old days.
It is rarely used now but it wasn't the case a few hundred years ago. Also, because it's already used in Russian and Czech dynamic names and I wanted to keep it consistent. Plus, since not many people know the name Carogród putting it into the game would spread the knowledge that such name exists and was once used.
 
Last edited:
2405 = "Chocim"
(rom/tur: Hotin; rus: Khotin; rut: Khotyn)
The fortifications of Khotyn were situated on the right bank of the Dniester River. One of the most important fortresses in Moldavia defended a ford over the Dniester and protected Baltic-Black Sea trade route. The defensive walls were rising to a height of 40 m (they were 5-6 m thick), with five towers erected.The stronghold was the seat of a pârcălab, a Moldavian governor and one of the seats of the hospodar.
The castle of Khotyn is famous mainly for two 17th-century battles between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire fought just outside its walls in 1621 and 1673.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khotyn
graf85_540
graf8_540
graf89

Why not Tehinia? Bender/Tighina is situated in the historical region of Budjak, not in Moldavia proper.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Map_of_Bessarabia_in_1791_by_Reilly_011.jpg
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/ser...b_list_no,series_no;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=7&trs=18
 
2405 = "Chocim"
(rom/tur: Hotin; rus: Khotin; rut: Khotyn)
The fortifications of Khotyn were situated on the right bank of the Dniester River. One of the most important fortresses in Moldavia defended a ford over the Dniester and protected Baltic-Black Sea trade route. The defensive walls were rising to a height of 40 m (they were 5-6 m thick), with five towers erected.The stronghold was the seat of a pârcălab, a Moldavian governor and one of the seats of the hospodar.
The castle of Khotyn is famous mainly for two 17th-century battles between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire fought just outside its walls in 1621 and 1673.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khotyn
graf85_540
graf8_540
graf89

Why not Tehinia? Bender/Tighina is situated in the historical region of Budjak, not in Moldavia proper.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Map_of_Bessarabia_in_1791_by_Reilly_011.jpg
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~295379~90066523?qvq=w4s:/what/Atlas+Map/where/Moldova;sort:pub_list_no_initialsort,pub_date,pub_list_no,series_no;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=7&trs=18
Bender/Tighina is indeed located where it is but if you look at the in-game province of Bessarabia, you'll see that it's actually smaller than the historical region of Budjak and the city is actually situated in the Bender province. If it wasn't, it wouldn't make sense to call that province Bender, right?
Chocim would be a good name if the province of Bender was smaller. Poland never fully controlled the entire historical Bessarabia, only small parts of it in the north (including the castle) so if they had conquered the entire historical region of Bessarabia, they surely wouldn't have called it after the castle of Chocim as the strategic importance of the castle would've lessen.
I used the name Tehinia because it was the simpliest choice and I think it should remain like that for now. Like I said, we could use the name Chocim but the province would've had to be smaller than the current province of Bender.
 
Last edited:
Bender/Tighina is indeed located where it is but if you look at the in-game province of Bessarabia, you'll see that it's actually smaller than the historical region of Budjak and the city is actually situated in the Bender province. If it wasn't, it wouldn't make sense to call that province Bender, right?
Chocim would be a good name if the province of Bender was smaller. Poland never fully controlled the entire historical Bessarabia, only small parts of it in the north (including the castle) so if they had conquered the entire historical region of Bessarabia, they surely wouldn't have called it after the castle of Chocim as the strategic importance of the castle would've lessen.
I used the name Tehinia because it was the simpliest choice and I think it should remain like that for now. Like I said, we could use the name Chocim but the province would've had to be smaller than the current province of Bender.
PDS made the mistake, simply. Not a first time... That doesn't means we should persist in wrong naming of the prov. Maybe "Soroki" (rom: Soroca) could be right call? - it is another fortress on the right bank of the Dniester River but more centrally located.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soroca
 
PDS made the mistake, simply. Not a first time... That doesn't means we should persist in wrong naming of the prov. Maybe "Soroki" (rom: Soroca) could be right call? - it is another fortress on the right bank of the Dniester River but more centrally located.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soroca
I think we should leave dynamic names in Moldavia as they are for now and instead ask Paradox to fix their mistakes to avoid unnecessary mess once they do. Besides, what's wrong with the name Tehinia? Right now, with the current layout of the provinces, it fits pretty fine. Let's not make things complicated where they don't have to be.
 
@Trin Tragula It looks like I missed 2 provinces in the Russian region that have incorrect names:
  • Beloozero (312) => Bieloziero (the current dynamic name - Bieloziersk refers to the name of the city used after 1777)
  • Ust-Sysolsk (1964) => ? (I really don't know which name should be used but the current name is completely wrong as it refers to the modern name of the city used since 1930. I think that, for now, this province should have no dynamic Polish name, unless someone has a better idea. Also, I think the province name and the capital name of this province should be swapped. The current capital name - Ust-Sysola refers to the Sysola river that flows through that province while Ust-Sysolk is the name of the city located in that province)
Also, can we have a full list of provinces that are going to be added in the 1.22 patch so we could work on the Polish names for those provinces before the patch comes out?
 
Last edited:
@Trin Tragula Here's a list of dynamic names for provinces added in 1.22 patch:
Ula (4242) => Ulla
Toropets (4243) => Toropiec
Trubchevsk (4244) => Trubczewsk
Vyazma (4245) => Wiazma
Mstislav (4246) => Mscislaw
Kashin (4248) => Kaszyn
Zubtsov (4249) => Zubcow
Mozhaisk (4251) => Mozajsk
Yuriev (4253) => Jurjew
Solvychegodsk (4256) => Solwyczegodzk
Velsk (4259) => Wielsk
Vyshny Volochyok (4260) => Wysznij Woloczok
Ustyuzhna (4261) => Ustiuzna
There are a few provinces I couldn't find any good Polish names for so I'll just leave them for now.
 
Last edited: