Flight of the Removed

[Duuk]

When you remove a vassal from his title, he and his entire court flee to parts unknown (Well, usually they end up SOMEWHERE).

My oldest son and heir, who was insane and diseased, I removed from his county. I had assumed he'd bring himself, his wife, and my 3 grandkids to stay with me.

Boy was I wrong.

Shouldn't deposed vassals go to your court? After all, should they remain post-less, they'll flee eventually anyway. But they should have a 60 day window where they come home, I'd think.

Especially people with blood relations to the dynast.

 

[Havard]

Seeing it from the other side: If you strip them for all they own, wouldn't it make sense for them to seek favours elsewhere?

 

[Duuk]

Seeing it from the other side: If you strip them for all they own, wouldn't it make sense for them to seek favours elsewhere?

Not instantly. Especially if he's heir to the throne.

Like I said, they should all come to the court. As it was, my PLAN was to make my grandson (who had hella good stats for a 2 year old ) into the count of a few provinces and switch to electoral succession so I could skip my oldest son (0-0-0-0 stats. Gotta love crazed, sick, heretics).

Instead, they fled before I had a chance to offer them any reason to stay. His wife was decent, she would have made a decent chancellor, etc.

I can see having them flee if they're not being utilized... but not instantly.

 

[Cat Lord]

They will end up somewhere anyway.

No living character spent his life in the none court.

Cat

 

[Duuk]

They will end up somewhere anyway.

No living character spent his life in the none court.

Cat

The problem is that they all instantly flee to someone else's court, except for the deposed who flee to "none" for a few days first.

They should first START in my court. They could flee the next month for all I care, but I should have a shot at them. Especially my grandkids.

Can you imagine a fuedal lord allowing his grandson (2nd in line to inherit) to be whisked away to Italy after the Duke stripped the son (1st in line) of his lands?

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Think about engine limitations and then explotations. If all people stripped of titles would end in their former liege's court, you could look "Hey, nice midas touched count, I'll revoke him to be my steward", which would be hugely exploitable. Then on other hand, I really doubt it would be worth the extra performance cut to make only children of living fathers automatically go back to their father, especially as they do migrate from Noneland to nearest relative's location quickly, which often is the father when living.

 

[Havard]

Then on other hand, I really doubt it would be worth the extra performance cut to make only children of living fathers automatically go back to their father, (...)

Well, that's what they do now, unless they get appointed to some court while on the run...

 

[Cagliostro]

The problem he suggests is a real one, though. Perhaps it'd be easier if you just allowed granting a title to a character in someone else's court? At the very least, someone untitled in a vassal's court. The idea that a king can't grant a title to his own grandson is madness.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Well, that's what they do now, unless they get appointed to some court while on the run...

Yes I know, they do so eventually, but what Duuk suggested was that they would move immediately after revoking to their father's court and I was replying to that.

The problem he suggests is a real one, though. Perhaps it'd be easier if you just allowed granting a title to a character in someone else's court? At the very least, someone untitled in a vassal's court. The idea that a king can't grant a title to his own grandson is madness.

Well, your son has a title and is your vassal. When your grandsons mature, he will always assign them with new titles, so just by giving your son some additional counties to give away, you get your grandsons with titles. If your son is just a count, you will even get them as direct vassals, so I really don't see a problem in the way the game is currently working.

 

[Havard]

Well, your son has a title and is your vassal. When your grandsons mature, he will always assign them with new titles, so just by giving your son some additional counties to give away, you get your grandsons with titles. If your son is just a count, you will even get them as direct vassals, so I really don't see a problem in the way the game is currently working.

I guess it can be a problem is you're "powergaming", removing bad sons as vassals to optimise...?

Why anyone would want to revoke a son's last title is beyon me, but then again I am no powergamer. I have yet to kill any unfertile wife or any son deemed unfit to inherit in a real game...

 

[Duuk]

I guess it can be a problem is you're "powergaming", removing bad sons as vassals to optimise...?

Why anyone would want to revoke a son's last title is beyon me, but then again I am no powergamer. I have yet to kill any unfertile wife or any son deemed unfit to inherit in a real game...

My oldest son was 0-0-0-0, ill, depressed, crazed, and a heretic. My Duke was a "Martial Cleric". it only makes sense that I'd remove the son from succession and replace him with my grandson. In effect, forcing the abdication of my son.

No powergaming, pure roleplay reasoning.

However, the very second I removed the title from the son, his entire court fled to Italy (I'm assuming they flew Aeroflot). My son actually had the hot pink "Nowhere" flag for a month until he showed up in Ancona with his family. Apparently it takes longer for a heretic to get a visa.

If they had all come to my court first, I wouldn't be complaining. I would have granted my son's wife the title countess (since her son, my grandson, would be her heir) and everyone would have been happy.

Instead, I essentially lost an entire branch of my family due to courts being weird.