Focus-tree big error

[Arkarnia]

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Summary​

Focus-tree big error

Platform​

Steam

Operating System​

Windows 10

Game Version​

latest

Enabled DLC​

• All of the above

Do you have mods enabled?​

No

Description​

Some states do not have an original focus tree after a civil war but a strangely useless focus tree

In the screenshots, the example of Portugal where apparently no original focus tree is available anymore, in contrast to the Soviet Union or Spain where it works as it should to have the original focus, as well as Poland where one side also only has the useless focus tree

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Steps to Reproduce​

after a civil war

Are you playing on a save from the previous/older version of the game​

No

Upload Attachment​

 

[Arkarnia]

Portugal hat nach einem Bürgerkrieg keinen Fokusbaum mehr






Polen hat nur auf einer Seite einen Fokusbaum, und wenn das „sanitätspolitische Polen“, das keinen Fokus hat, gewinnt, bleibt der nutzlose Fokusbaum ohne Inhalt übrig, wie es bei Portugal und Japan der Fall war.








Auf der russischen Seite funktioniert der Fokusbaum wie er soll und beide Seiten folgen einem Fokus







Der Fokusbaum funktioniert auch für Spanien und hat Inhalte







Nach dem Sieg des sanktionistischen Polen bleibt der Fokusbaum leer





Als Großbritannien die East India Company gründete, verlor Indien seinen Fokus und hatte keine Chance mehr, unabhängig zu werden.

 

[Arkarnia]

Der Fokus ohne Inhalt

 

[Arkarnia]

What kind of error is it that a country becomes communist during the game but still has the monarchy focus tree?

Shouldn't the focus tree also change when the government changes?

 

[Arkarnia]

If a state becomes a puppet state or is liberated and changes its alignment, the focus of the old alignment remains and can only continue a focus tree that belongs to a completely different alignment.

 

[CaptainAllen]

What country in vanilla is supposed to have this strange focus tree? I never saw this tree in my 6k+ hours.

 

[Qloc_ManticMinotaur]

Hello there! Thank you for the report. It unfortunately wasn't clear what the issue was. Could you provide more information and if possible a game save to reproduce the issue?

 

[Arkarnia]

Hello there! Thank you for the report. It unfortunately wasn't clear what the issue was. Could you provide more information and if possible a game save to reproduce the issue?

The problem is the missing focus in the situations I described. That is, after a civil war where the opposing side wins, as well as the wrong focus after liberation by a different ideology or a puppet state from an annexed territory by another ideology. I've already done this using images from Poland, Portugal, Greece, and many others. I'll upload anything else I find on the focus here.

I thought I'd made it clear.

 

[Arkarnia]

One of the aforementioned errors concerns the focus and the puppet state, which can be seen here as an example.
Finland: became a comm puppet state
Finland too: has the fascists' focus tree

 

[Arkarnia]

Added to this is the error with the focus tree, where the side that wins in the civil war is the newly formed opposing side, which then has no focus, but in a victorious end, doesn't get an original focus tree that is reset to the path for their ideology, but rather the focus tree that is empty.

I already demonstrated this with the example of Poland above. I'm just looking for a game where the AI in Poland or Japan slides into a civil war with the focus. Then I can help the newly formed state win and see whether it gets the original focus tree for that nation or keeps the useless one.

Here are three more images for an example of India, where the original India can no longer do anything because the empty focus tree is present, while the East India Company has a usable focus tree. I'm still looking to see where this useless focus tree appears in other states.

Using Spain and Russia as examples, it works as it should, and both sides have their original focus tree with their respective ideologically specific paths.

 

[Emoneh]

I think there are two different issues here:

* In a civil war, one side retains the original tag of the country and is the 'true' version of the country and the other side gets a dynamic tag. The dynamic tag gets the generic focus tree unless the content designer adds provision for them to have a custom tree. I think this is quite fiddly, so it's rarely done except for very prominent civil wars like Spain. It usually doesn't matter, since the dynamic country is generally just a speed bump for the 'true' country. I believe that the specific (Reichskommissariat?) focus tree you have posted is from a mod. I don't recognise it; I can't find loc entries for the focus names; and I don't believe Paradox would make a focus called "Black Sun Rising" with a swastika icon. So I think it is an error with some mod you have running that gives them that tree rather than the generic tree. As for getting the generic tree over the country's proper tree, if it's a problem then it's a design problem, not a bug.

* When a country gets puppetted, if there is nothing to tell it to switch paths, it will not switch paths. You can hopefully appreciate that it is quite time-consuming for a content designer to anticipate various different scenarios like this and decide exactly which focuses should be wiped clean and which should be completed. These focus trees are primarily designed to be played, not for scenarios like this. I agree this is a problem, especially if there's ticking support for the old ideology in some spirit, but again, it's a design problem, not a bug. You'd be better posting in the main forum or the suggestions forum if you feel strongly about it.

 

[Arkarnia]

I think there are two different issues here:

* In a civil war, one side retains the original tag of the country and is the 'true' version of the country and the other side gets a dynamic tag. The dynamic tag gets the generic focus tree unless the content designer adds provision for them to have a custom tree. I think this is quite fiddly, so it's rarely done except for very prominent civil wars like Spain. It usually doesn't matter, since the dynamic country is generally just a speed bump for the 'true' country. I believe that the specific (Reichskommissariat?) focus tree you have posted is from a mod. I don't recognise it; I can't find loc entries for the focus names; and I don't believe Paradox would make a focus called "Black Sun Rising" with a swastika icon. So I think it is an error with some mod you have running that gives them that tree rather than the generic tree. As for getting the generic tree over the country's proper tree, if it's a problem then it's a design problem, not a bug.

* When a country gets puppetted, if there is nothing to tell it to switch paths, it will not switch paths. You can hopefully appreciate that it is quite time-consuming for a content designer to anticipate various different scenarios like this and decide exactly which focuses should be wiped clean and which should be completed. These focus trees are primarily designed to be played, not for scenarios like this. I agree this is a problem, especially if there's ticking support for the old ideology in some spirit, but again, it's a design problem, not a bug. You'd be better posting in the main forum or the suggestions forum if you feel strongly about it.

As you can see from the last post, I have the generic focus tree in the original and I don't know where the other one comes from, but this one has taken the place of the generic focus tree. However, even the original generic focus tree shouldn't appear in a Polish civil war faction, just as India shouldn't have a generic focus tree, and therefore the error still exists regardless of what a mod does. see lastest picture with india and the generic focus tree wich shouldn`t exist in india, not in a East india Company and not in a inida civil war, not in polish civil war, not in portugal.

 

[Arkarnia]

After a civil war, communist Yugoslavia has the fascist focus tree although during the civil war the right focus was there

 

[Qloc_breeze]

Could you please provide saves with affected game states? Thanks!

 

[Arkarnia]

Could you please provide saves with affected game states? Thanks!

load this save as india. India should have its focus tree but India has no focus tree except the generic meaningless nothing

 

[Arkarnia]

After a civil war in Persia where the Shah had the fascist faction as opponent, the focus tree remained without content. autosave before the end of the civil war and save after the end of the civil war.

 

[Arkarnia]

@Qloc_breeze @Qloc_ManticMinotaur The error I'm referring to couldn't be clearer than this. Here's the best example...

After a civil war in Persia where the Shah had the fascist faction as opponent, the focus tree remained without content. autosave before the end of the civil war and save after the end of the civil war.

 

[mayr7777]

1. What you refer as to "focus tree without content" is the "generic focus tree" that every nation, or faction of a nation uses, when there is no unique focus tree for this nation/faction in the game. It is as intended. Paradox adds a few new focus trees with every DLC, but is still far away from every nation/faction. And I don`t think they even intend to do a unique focus tree for every nation/faction of a nation.
2. That the countries stay in there old focus tree after being puppeted would be one thing they could think about to change. As for example reset the focus tree in the political part, up to the point, where the political direction was decided and force the puppet to take the focus into the direction of the new master nation.
3. For nations where the "wrong" faction wins the civil war (probably with support of the player) and they would have a focus tree for the winning party, Paradox could think about giving them the original focus tree (completed up to the point of the loosing faction) with the political direction reset and locked in into the direction of the winning faction, instead of the generic one.
4. Do you have a save file where Poland or Portugal has this weird fascist focus tree which starts with "Establishing Rule" and ends with "Black sun rising"? I can`t recreate it and have no idea where it comes from. I think it would be a thing if the intended loosing side of the civil war is fascist ruled, but I`m not able to do that on purpose with another country. I would love to have a look at that save file.