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Oh good, at least you can be self aware as well as old.:)
Speaking of rocking chairs, we just got a great grandmother's one reupholstered. Looks rather smashing now. Wonderful things really, if a bit weird in concept when you think about it.

I think perhaps you need to get out your board game copy of risk and relive exactly how much of a pain it is to keep track of all those counters when you get into the end game or when three of you are in a very exciting mid game match and the fourth player turtling in Australia suddenly make their move...:mad::mad::mad: so many counters! Though it is a common and longstanding joke amongst my friends that if someone actually managed to take Australia, the surrounding islands and Indonesia as the board suggests (and doubly so if 'Siam' is the only way to invade), you're bascially running two continent sized self sustaining utopias free from the prospect of foreign invasion.
Hah! Well, young grasshopper, just try to snatch the pebble out of my hand (this is a deliberately old tv reference, just like me)! :D The managing all the mechanics is why I like the computerised games - but I still like the look and feel. And senile as I may be, even playing Russia in micromanagement I found busy but quite reasonable. I’m more concerned about it becoming too ‘easy’ by dumbing down the detail and going for slick graphics and presentation over substance.
:)
I’m hoping that isn’t the case with HOI4, but haven’t yet heard a review from someone I know from this forum (and therefore whose views I’d trust) on what it is really like. I want it to be a good game and if it is, will look to give it a go once I reckon I have got everything I want out of 3. I haven’t actually played an old strategic board game (other than Diplomacy, which is an entirely different beast, and which I always preferred to Risk just because of the unit profusion and randomness thing) in years and years :(

For games purporting to represent divisional level combat, I come from the perspective of someone who (only in peace on exercise, mind you) once ran a divisional CP. I’ll just say HOI3 is a doddle by comparison. ;) I like the detail and the requirement to manage it all all quickly, so long as the mechanical bits are well handled.
 
Well, if I may venture: as someone who's played intently HoI2, 3, and 4: 3 remains my favorite. 4 is just a bit too "septic" for me? Too easy? Not in a combat sense that there isn't a challenge, but that its too much point and click and then let the computer handle everything else, versus 3, where one needed to get in the weeds to make sure their forces went where they were ordered and wanted.
 
Hah! Well, young grasshopper, just try to snatch the pebble out of my hand (this is a deliberately old tv reference, just like me)! :D

Mm...I know this reference but only through what I suspect are decades of parodies and 'humorous' answers to the task, such as waiting for the man to fall asleep or just simply taking the pebble immediately...or killing him with a truck.

Well, if I may venture: as someone who's played intently HoI2, 3, and 4: 3 remains my favorite. 4 is just a bit too "septic" for me? Too easy? Not in a combat sense that there isn't a challenge, but that its too much point and click and then let the computer handle everything else, versus 3, where one needed to get in the weeds to make sure their forces went where they were ordered and wanted.

Forces that can be trusted to be competent, get where they need to be and then fight well there? Well that's not very realistic at all. Mind you, the entire world wanting to dominate the rest and do it through warfare isn't that realistic either, even for the timeframe we're talking about.
 
Mm...I know this reference but only through what I suspect are decades of parodies and 'humorous' answers to the task, such as waiting for the man to fall asleep or just simply taking the pebble immediately...or killing him with a truck.
Kung Fu, the tv series, with a ‘young’ David Carradine as the Grasshopper. Classic early 70s pioneer of the martial arts crossing into mainstream western televisual entertainment. If you can imagine Carradine as a young Shaolin monk fleeing China to rove the Wild West using kung fu to beat up bad guys, evade bounty hunters from China who still chase him and find his half brother ... well then this is just made for you! :D

When Caine is quick enough to snatch the pebble sitting on his master’s open hand, then his education is complete and it is time for him to leave. This, and the Grasshopper moniker, became memes of note long before memes had become a thing. Ah, those were the days ;)
 
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Kung Fu, the tv series, with a ‘young’ David Carradine as the Grasshopper. Classic early 70s pioneer of the martial arts crossing into mainstream western televisual entertainment. If you can imagine Carradine as a young Shaolin monk fleeing China to rove the Wild West using kung fu to beat up bad guys, evade bounty hunters from China who still chase him and find his half brother ... well then this is just made for you! :D

When Caine is quick enough to snatch the pebble sitting on his master’s open hand, then his education is complete and it is time for him to leave. This, and the Grasshopper moniker, became memes of note long before memes had become a thing. Ah, those were the days ;)

And it should have been Bruce Lee in the main role, but back then Asian actors were deemed as "not very bankable" by producers.
 
And it should have been Bruce Lee in the main role, but back then Asian actors were deemed as "not very bankable" by producers.
Enter the Dragon! Thems were also the days! ;)
 
How about Enter the update? ;)
Heh! :D About to post a major update for Talking Turkey, then it will be France's turn again. The price of trying to juggle three AARs at once. This one was going to be my (Australian) summer project, but still has a little way to go!
 
Heh! :D About to post a major update for Talking Turkey, then it will be France's turn again. The price of trying to juggle three AARs at once. This one was going to be my (Australian) summer project, but still has a little way to go!

Yep, pretty impressive, maintaining three AARs all at once, particularly since yours are quite technical. Kudos there!
 
Episode 25: 19 November and 2-6 December 1943
Episode 25: 19 November and 2-6 December 1943

This report covers a total of five save points, starting three days on from the end of the previous chapter (on 16 November) through to 6 December 1943. Only three of those dates and the highlights for them are shown.

19 November 1943

Western Front

Allied forces continue the advance deeper into Germany. Six attacks are in progress, with the Allies defending in another two battles across the Western Front – which moves inexorably eastwards.

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Of those battles, one is larger and of greater significance. Despite the preponderance of Allied numbers, the resistance is tenacious.

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Italy

While things are progressing steadily in Germany, the same cannot be said of the central and northern Italy. The Axis is attempting to cut off the Rome salient and retake the Italian capital.

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A closer view of the central sector illustrates the potential danger.

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The Allies do their best to hold in Firenze but are under determined attack by panzer divisions from three different directions.

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The French 64th Mtn Div does its best to hold behind river-lines in the open plains of Civita Castellana, just north of Rome, but is under pressure from the enemy’s reckless assault.

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German heavy panzers persist with their attack on Cosenza, but the ‘rotational defence’ there seems to be holding well enough, with more refreshed units heading back into the fray from the south.

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2 December 1942

Western Front

The Allies continue to steadily push into the German heartland, with good progress made in the difficult southern terrain, but it remains a hard fight. The Axis continues to counter-attack where it can.

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The major battle occurring at the moment is in Vechta, where the Allies are attempting to punch through the German lines with overwhelming force and plenty of reserves for exploitation. The defenders are now sorely pressed.

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Italy

The Axis tries to close the noose on the Rome Salient. They now attack Viterbo.

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Taking a closer look at that battle, the situation is more precarious than it appears. If the French 42nd Armd Div cannot reinforce in time, the 12th Mtn Div will not be able to hold much longer.

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Further north, divisions of the 1st BEF Corps and reserve French units are being sent to various weak points in the line. The Allies have decided to try to hold Rome and its salient if humanly possible.

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The Allies have finally beaten off the series of attacks on Cosenza and now attempt to build up their strength. But the Axis has also moved a number of units to the sector: an Allied attack has not been possible there for some time. But at least Axis strength is being diverted away from more crucial areas.

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Far East

24 Soviet divisions and HQ units are bottled up on the Pacific coast in the Far East. They are many hundreds of kilometres away from any relief. This will not end well.

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6 December 1943

Western Front

An attack on Fulda has been launched in the centre. In the north, attacks are being maintained while some slower-moving units still make their way from recovering after previous battles to re-join the front. The Axis has not yet stabilised the southern sector.

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Working from north to south, a single infantry division (the 11th Indian) attempts to dislodge the garrison in Wilhemshaven.

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To the south of that, the British 2nd Armd Div makes a bold attempt to dislodge numerically superior but badly disorganised Axis forces from Oldenburg. To the south of that, the Allies are pushing into Delmenhorst, where an earlier battle has already been won. As always, the aim is to keep the enemy back-pedalling and unable to consolidate river defences in depth.

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A difficult attack proceeds on Fulda, but despite the odds, the French attackers are fresh and contain two medium tank divisions, up against their German counterparts from 5 Pz Div.

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Further south, near Stuttgart (now in Allied hands) a strong German shock attack on Reutlingen has been outfoxed, with French General Delestraint able to ambush his more skilled opponent.

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Italy

The Axis have brought heavy numbers to bear on Brescia, attacking the entrenched French defenders from three directions.

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In the central sector, the Axis has succeeded in both taking Firenze and then Pisa, to cut off the Rome salient. However, that Italian breakthrough has been counter-attacked and Pisa will soon be reoccupied by the forces sent south a few days previously. In the meantime, the forces in the salient is being supplied through Rome.

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In the south, Cosenza’s defence has been further reinforced.

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Norway

In a very welcome development, the call for the British to liberate Norway has finally been heeded. A mixed Allied force of British, Danish and American troops has landed near Oslo and looks to have dislodged a weak German garrison in the Norwegian capital. This is crucial for Allied plans, as Norway is one of the 12 objectives they need to declare victory in the war.

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Europe – General Situation

Overall, while the Germans retain a substantial foothold in the Soviet Union and are unchallenged in the Balkans, they have lost almost a third of their major cities in the west of the country. Their Italian front remains stable and they have made a few gains there, but their Italian ally has been badly weakened.

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Far East

The news remains grim as the walls close in on the Soviets trapped in the Far East.

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Pacific

The Japanese have finally made a move – they have lodged in Papua (part of the Dutch East Indies), bordering on Australian-governed New Guinea and have also landed near Rabaul, where they are well on the way to crushing the small Australian garrison there.

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No other islands have changed hands since 16 November in the Pacific, and no substantial moves have been made by the Japanese in South East Asia.
 
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Norway looks good as does France. Italy is still so-so. The Soviet Union hurting Germany but totally failing with Japan. And it looks like the Japanese are coming to get the AAR's writer! :eek:

Poor poor Australia. :(
 
On the Western Front it feels like the Axis have another troops to hold you off in either Western Germany, or Italy, but not both. Whilst the biggest advances are now being made in Germany, more and more I am coming off the opinion that this second stage of the war is being won in the Italian theatre.
 
I can see why Germany would have to defend Italy, or at least make a serious effort, but it's pulling away troops they can ill afford. I can imagine the German Staff starting to mangle Napoleon and talking about the "Italian Ulcer", if nothing else it is sucking up all the Panzers and pulling them away from where they are needed.

But having mocked the German AI I must also question the choice of the British in invading Norway, now. While you can argue as to where the key theatre is (I'm torn between the Italian Panzer graveyard or the all purpose mincing machine of the Eastern Front) but Norway is never going to be crucial.
 
Norway looks good as does France. Italy is still so-so. The Soviet Union hurting Germany but totally failing with Japan. And it looks like the Japanese are coming to get the AAR's writer! :eek:

Poor poor Australia. :(
All accurate observations. More to follow on these shortly!
On the Western Front it feels like the Axis have another troops to hold you off in either Western Germany, or Italy, but not both. Whilst the biggest advances are now being made in Germany, more and more I am coming off the opinion that this second stage of the war is being won in the Italian theatre.
A prophetic observation: you will see some interesting developments along those lines in the next update.
I can see why Germany would have to defend Italy, or at least make a serious effort, but it's pulling away troops they can ill afford. I can imagine the German Staff starting to mangle Napoleon and talking about the "Italian Ulcer", if nothing else it is sucking up all the Panzers and pulling them away from where they are needed.
You are about to see more mischief as the dimly-remembered former me tries to play yet more havoc with a German AI that has actually done quite well to fight as hard as it has (excepting its original failure to prosecute the attack on France in 1940 vigorously enough).
But having mocked the German AI I must also question the choice of the British in invading Norway, now. While you can argue as to where the key theatre is (I'm torn between the Italian Panzer graveyard or the all purpose mincing machine of the Eastern Front) but Norway is never going to be crucial.
You will see this addressed in the next update: it is important (though not crucial, I grant) for getting to that elusive 12th victory objective). And I did after all ask the British to invade, so can't really blame the AI for actually agreeing, for once! :)
Rousing action! But, I must say that Rabaul is a troubling development...for some reason? ;) My homeland is being tread-upon; as someone said not long ago. Interesting how I have a little of that feeling now. :D
Yes, it may be a couple of years later than in OTL, but here they come. And, unlike OTL, the US has barely said boo since entering the war (in the Pacific or in Europe). I know that is common for HOI3, but you think they should be able to do something useful by late 1943! :eek::mad:
Looks like the Red Army has made a little westward progress. What does the entire Japanese front look like now?
Good question! I've included an extra screenshot in the latest update (following soon) just for you. ;)

All: Will begin uploading the next episode in a few minutes.
 
Episode 26: 12 and 18 December 1943
Episode 26: 12 and 18 December 1943

This report covers two save points, at six day intervals: from the previous update (6 December) to 12 December, then the next on 18 December. There are some new significant developments in a few areas away from the main front in Germany. And the Axis is not done yet!

12 December 1943

Germany

The advance has continued, but the Germans are vigorously counter-attacking some over-extended units, especially when they are out of supply. Five of the six battles in progress are Axis attacks.

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The 11th Indian Div is keeping the pressure on Bremerhaven. They won’t succeed unaided, but other Allied forces will soon be free to take up the fight, where a breakthrough across the river-line to Stade is in progress from Bremen.

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A serious German attack is going in on Kassel. The advancing Allied line is thin in places, due to concentrations in key points for breakthroughs and from a strategic decision which will be obvious shortly.

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And in the southern sector, north-east of Stuttgart (now firmly in Allied occupation) the Germans are marshalling their forces are attacking extended French lines in Kunzelsau.

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And in the hills and mountains south-east of Stuttgart, Allied logistic problems have also exposed the out-of-supply French 45th Inf Div to a strong German attack in Leutkirch.

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Italy

In Italy, the corridor remains open to Rome, will both sides swapping attacks across the front.

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As we checked in, the Battle for Rome was just ending, with the French 1st Mech Div inflicting horrendous casualties on their Italian attackers, for minimal losses of their own.

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North of Rome, three battles are in progress. The largest is an Allied attack on Sassuolo: success there might again open up the possibility of taking the VP city of Bologna and then cutting across the peninsula, dividing the Axis and potential cutting off all enemy formations in central and southern Italy. Two smaller Axis attacks on Empoli and Orbetello are also in progress. A recent victory in Montepulciano should see that province occupied soon.

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In southern Italy, it seems some Axis forces have been called away, while the Allies refit and concentrate their forces in Cosenza and Rossano, ready to exploit any weakness they see in front of them.

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And in significant news, the French-led Allied Supreme HQ in Europe has decided to reallocate 12 divisions to the Italian front from Germany. The opportunity to relieve pressure on Rome, stabilise against Axis attacks in northern Italy and then hopefully knock Italy out of the war and trap a significant number of enemy forces by a drive to Venice has proven too tempting to resist. Also, this open a ‘back door’ into the crucial Balkans, where Soviet occupation of key countries (including those crucial for Allied victory conditions) must be forestalled.

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Norway

The Allies have secured Oslo, while German garrison divisions begin to gather around the beachhead. Further north, Norwegian partisans seem to be preparing in their bases for an uprising. Something soon would be ideal!

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Europe – General

A quick snapshot (without scale/numbers of attacks) shows where (mainly enemy) air attacks have occurred in the last week across the German and Italian fronts.

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And this map illustrates key VP locations: a string of cities in Germany are becoming vulnerable to the advancing Allied forces.

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Asia-Pacific

The Far Eastern pocket continues to close on the Soviets.

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The Japanese have taken Rabaul (on the island of New Britain) and are now crossing over into Kait (on Latangai Island).

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There is not much discernible naval activity in the Pacific. A more comprehensive naval update of any major ship losses will be done in the next chapter. These engagements over the last week are mainly 1-2 convoy sinkings, mainly of Japanese merchantmen. At least some US subs must be active.

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18 December 1943

Germany

Most Allied activity is in the north, while the rest of the line is consolidating (including allowing supply to catch up with the previous rapid advances), following the series of German attacks the previous week and the diversion of units to Italy.

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The most significant battle in progress in an attack on Bremerhaven, where six Allied divisions have taken over from the now resting 11th Indian Div. The Allies outnumber the tiring enemy defenders, which includes the 1st Fallshirmjägers and the Liebstandarte SS Division, and are attacking from four different directions, but the enemy’s skilful tactics have blunted the assault.

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To the north-east of the besieged Bremerhaven, the Allied breakthrough into Stade has enabled an attempted end-run by the French 2nd Armd Div on Cuxhaven, where they hope they might pocket a number of German divisions in or retreating to Bremerhaven.

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Italy

Most of the current action in Italy is again in the central sector, to the north of Rome.

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Montepulciano, occupied the previous week, is now being attacked by the Italians. However, the British defenders are successfully counter-attacking to improve their odds. Meanwhile, with Firenze recently retaken to the north, the French are attacking into Montevarchi, to further widen the offensive and make the corridor to Rome more secure.

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With some units already in theatre, a large reinforcing column is now making its way to the front, for use in either northern or central Italy. Time will tell how they will be used, whether to bolster strained defences, launch a major offensive or a bit of both.

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In southern Italy, in the previous week a strong Allied attack defeated the Axis defenders in Acri. The rest of the Axis defenders in the south appear to have begun a general withdrawal, as troops of the French 2nd Army (which includes the 4th BEF Corps) finally look like being able to break out from the toe of Italy after many days previously fending off German panzer attacks.

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Norway

The British have heavily reinforced their landings in Norway, bringing in troops by transport ship into Oslo: they now include Australian, British, Canadian, Danish, New Zealand and US troops in a real multi-national effort under overall British command. The French High Command welcomes this: it should bring Norway back into Allied possession sooner than would otherwise be the case (Norway is one of the 12 required Allied victory objectives). And these are troops which hadn’t already been assigned to French command in Europe, so they may as well be doing something useful. It is also well timed, as a few regular German infantry divisions had shown up in recent days. The British have two major attacks going in at present and are also advancing unopposed into Tonsberg. The Norwegian resistance has not yet risen to the north.

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Eastern Front

Here is a more detailed look than usual of the Eastern Front from the Soviet perspective (nb. this is information I didn’t have available at the time). You can also see they are generally on the offensive from the battle summary.

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Europe – General Situation

So the Soviets are making a few limited gains in the east, especially near Romania. This may well be providing some urgency to Allied efforts in Italy. German surrender progress is up marginally.

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Asia-Pacific

As requested by serutan, here is a detailed view of the main Soviet front in the Far East. The troops in the pocket still survive but are out of supply and isolated, thousands of kilometres from their comrades.

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The Japanese are showing some more activity in the margins in the Asia-Pacific. In alarming news, they have staged a naval landing at Haiphong in French Indo-China (northern Vietnam) and are in the process of fanning out. The French colonial forces in Hanoi aren’t strong enough to contest this landing but are well-equipped and can at least defend Hanoi for some time. Though they will need to be careful not to allow themselves to be surrounded.

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It was never envisaged that France would seriously defend Indo-China if seriously attacked by the Japanese. Indeed, it has was a pleasant surprise to be spared such an invasion for so long!

Having finally dealt with the Dutch in West Borneo, the Japanese turn their attentions to British Borneo, where they are attacking the US 13th Airborne Div (allocated under British command) at Kuching.

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In New Guinea, the Japanese have extended their incursions.

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It is not yet clear whether they can or will continue their advance from Rabaul all the way up to Putput, where an Australian garrison division stands guard.

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While in New Guinea itself, Japanese marines have landed near Lae, where only a single garrison brigade is in place.

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No Pacific islands have changed hands between Japan and the US – that sector seems to have been very quiet for some time.

The next update will be a year-end episode, where I will provide a snapshot of the situation of the Axis in Europe and check to see whether any more major ships have been sunk in the Pacific.
 
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Well an Italian break-out would surely be most welcome it could be arranged. Soviet progress in the Balkans is a minor concern: it might yet be a major one.
 
A reinforcement column to North Italy is a good move, try to force your way to the Alps and into the Balkans while all those Panzers are trapped down in the boot of Italy.

I will retract my ill-will towards the British AI if they were just trying to follow Allied Grand Strategy. And instead question Allied Grand Strategy! :p ( :) ) If there are resources for a big multi-national Allied invasion of the periphery, then surely Greece is the place to go? Worst case it's another easily defensible front that can tie down a lot of Axis troops, best case you can break out and push on into the Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, meeting up with the French reinforcements from North Italy.

However I feel at this point we are just debating how "good" the win is going to be, the result does not seem particularly in doubt at this point.
 
A reinforcement column to North Italy is a good move, try to force your way to the Alps and into the Balkans while all those Panzers are trapped down in the boot of Italy.

I will retract my ill-will towards the British AI if they were just trying to follow Allied Grand Strategy. And instead question Allied Grand Strategy! :p ( :) ) If there are resources for a big multi-national Allied invasion of the periphery, then surely Greece is the place to go? Worst case it's another easily defensible front that can tie down a lot of Axis troops, best case you can break out and push on into the Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, meeting up with the French reinforcements from North Italy.

However I feel at this point we are just debating how "good" the win is going to be, the result does not seem particularly in doubt at this point.
Greece becomes a bit of an issue. It was (at this point in the game) pro-Allied but still neutral. It had never been attacked by the Axis, I assume because they never defeated France. Having a hodgepodge of spare Allied divisions taking Norway out was good, as it would have been more difficult for me to do as France and I was after the objectives any way I could get them, as quickly as possible. That’s my reconstruction of the strategy, anyway. ;)

Will see how the Italy thrust goes: it was a relatively quick transit, so some could always be sent back again if too many were sent south and it grinds to a halt or crawl in Germany. But it seemed like a good idea at the time, obviously :)

The British AI in this game has performed nothing short of brilliantly and really gives it the proper feel of an Allied effort. And all the others smaller countries chipping in too. Having some real US support would have been even better. :rolleyes: