I am playing France in the GC and have come to the end of 1495 without having my two explorers appear. I checked the historical leaders file, and I think I should have picked up Ango and Goneville. I also should have gotten another general (Bayard), but did not. I have set the messages to give me a message box for new leaders. That is working, because it told me about getting Polin (an admiral) in January of 1495. What's going on? Have some historical leaders (explorers) been deactivated???
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Missing Monarch
In a related question I forgot to include with my original post, I can't seem to get my monarch out of the palace and into battle. As France, my first monarch is a pretty good battlefield commander (at least, according to the monarch Excel file), but I have not been able to assign him to an army. I have tried 'reorganize,' 'create new,' and 'split' until I have 50 one thousend man armies--but no Charles (or, as indicated above, Bayard, Ango or Goneville--the last two having caused 40 single ship navies).
In a related question I forgot to include with my original post, I can't seem to get my monarch out of the palace and into battle. As France, my first monarch is a pretty good battlefield commander (at least, according to the monarch Excel file), but I have not been able to assign him to an army. I have tried 'reorganize,' 'create new,' and 'split' until I have 50 one thousend man armies--but no Charles (or, as indicated above, Bayard, Ango or Goneville--the last two having caused 40 single ship navies).
France doesn't get any explorers in the first 30 years at least historically so u must be wrong. France is nowhere near explorers in 1495.
Monarhcs can't lead armies unless they pop up separtely as army generals.
Monarhcs can't lead armies unless they pop up separtely as army generals.
Excel Files of Leaders and Monarchs
My, my, BiB--you are a bit harsh. Please check out the Excel files for historical leaders and monarchs. You will see in those files Ango and Goneville as explorers and Bayard as a general, all appearing in 1495. If you check out the monarchs file, stats for Charles as a battlefield commander are given. From your comment, I assume that not all leaders in those excel files have actually been implemented in the program (I opened a french leader file that looked like a string of commands actually turning on the leaders, but did try to sort it out to see how it matched up with the spreadsheets--I stopped programing back when FORTRAN and COBOL went out of style).
Anyway, I guess you answered my question if you are sure these listed leaders don't actually appear in the game. If anybody has any info on how to turn those leaders on, or why they were not implemented, I'd like to hear it.
My, my, BiB--you are a bit harsh. Please check out the Excel files for historical leaders and monarchs. You will see in those files Ango and Goneville as explorers and Bayard as a general, all appearing in 1495. If you check out the monarchs file, stats for Charles as a battlefield commander are given. From your comment, I assume that not all leaders in those excel files have actually been implemented in the program (I opened a french leader file that looked like a string of commands actually turning on the leaders, but did try to sort it out to see how it matched up with the spreadsheets--I stopped programing back when FORTRAN and COBOL went out of style).
Anyway, I guess you answered my question if you are sure these listed leaders don't actually appear in the game. If anybody has any info on how to turn those leaders on, or why they were not implemented, I'd like to hear it.
Just stating the plain facts 
The .xls file is well, wrong, and even more, not used by the game.
About all monarchs have stats but few appear as leader. They only do when they're separately listed in the leader file for that country.
The .xls file is well, wrong, and even more, not used by the game.
About all monarchs have stats but few appear as leader. They only do when they're separately listed in the leader file for that country.
Leaders are in DBLeaders:
Verazzano 1522 1527
Cartier 1532 1557
Villegagnon 1553 1564
Beaulieu 1610 1640
Vrolicq 1640 1660
Marion-Dufresne 1750 1765
Dentrecastreaux 1750 1792
Fleuriot 1760 1790
Kerguelen 1765 1795
Bougainville 1767 1811
Le Perouse 1783 1788
I'd say only the first five are of any use for actual exploring.
Verazzano 1522 1527
Cartier 1532 1557
Villegagnon 1553 1564
Beaulieu 1610 1640
Vrolicq 1640 1660
Marion-Dufresne 1750 1765
Dentrecastreaux 1750 1792
Fleuriot 1760 1790
Kerguelen 1765 1795
Bougainville 1767 1811
Le Perouse 1783 1788
I'd say only the first five are of any use for actual exploring.
Robo's info is correct, I played France several times in GC to learn to colonize. The explorers did not show up 'till the 1520s. It is possible you may get a 'random' explorer prior to this time frame.
Monarchs are Monarchs, sometimes they also appear as military leaders - the game treats them as seperate entities.
I remember Goneville showing up in same time frame (1520s)
I don't recall Ango.
Monarchs are Monarchs, sometimes they also appear as military leaders - the game treats them as seperate entities.
I remember Goneville showing up in same time frame (1520s)
I don't recall Ango.
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I'm playing France and I got Gonneville too, quite early in the game. No Ango nor Bayard, though.
Quite surprised that Bayard wasn't included, by the way, since he's certainly the most famous french commander during the renaissance...incredibly more than many other generals I never heard of...But who knows? Perhaps actually he wasn't a great general but some sort of hero...some of his famous deeds (like keeping a bridge all by himself)could be an evidence of it. Indeed he was called the "*knight* without fear nor flaws", not the "*general* without blame nor defeat".
Quite surprised that Bayard wasn't included, by the way, since he's certainly the most famous french commander during the renaissance...incredibly more than many other generals I never heard of...But who knows? Perhaps actually he wasn't a great general but some sort of hero...some of his famous deeds (like keeping a bridge all by himself)could be an evidence of it. Indeed he was called the "*knight* without fear nor flaws", not the "*general* without blame nor defeat".
Look in your saved game file, the leaders will be there. Goneville comes in about 1520. I've seen Bayard, but don't know when he shows up.
goneville explored brazil in 1504. the dates for him 1520-1530 in leaders are incorrect.
Download the "EU Leader editor" to find out your leaders and their stats in a easy way.
Look somewhere in this site:
http://euprovince.cjb.net/
Look somewhere in this site:
http://euprovince.cjb.net/
gonneville should show up in 1503, i dont know how long he lived
foix = 1510 1512 (instead of what game has)
bayard = 1494 1524 (instead of 1502 - 1524)
foix = 1510 1512 (instead of what game has)
bayard = 1494 1524 (instead of 1502 - 1524)