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A related question to my previous post.

In that France game (my first one, btw), I have seen to it that my faithful ally Switzerland gets access to the sea. In fact they have occupied Andalusia with its COT in Spain, for more than 50 years.

Now Switzerland is protestant too. Yet, I do not see any colonial activity by that country. Do the numbers quoted above by Greven apply only to major powers, or to all countries regardless?

I have exchanged maps with Switzerland a number of times to make sure they know about the world out there. Any ideas?

Thanks
/zwingli
 
Originally posted by Alzate:
sorry Greven, the question was not complete
Originally posted by Greven:
Gold = Naval Shipyard (ie an incresed harbour)
Silver = Harbour
/Greven
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I mean there are:
1. silver anchors= harbours
2. silver wheels= shipyards?
3. golden wheels= naval shipyards? (a bit redundant :D)
regards
alzate
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1. silver anchor = harbour
2. silver wheels = fleet in harbour/building
3. golden anchor = naval shipyard
4. golden wheels = fleet in shipyard/building

hope that clarifies something :)

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Live long & prosper

CC
 
Originally posted by zwingli:
I am currently playing a game as France. The year is 1600. France's state religion is protestant.

Looking at the numbers above, I'd expect to get 4 colonists (dynamism-1, protestant-3, no shipyards yet). However, all I got in the some 10 years of protestantism is 3/year.
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You had to re-read all slowly... ;)

Protestant is one, not three (which is for reformed). +1 dynamism are two. +1 for shipyard probably are three...

For Switzerland, that they can colonize (ie access to the sea, etc.) does not meen that they will do it. Especially as it is most probably not a priority for the Swiss AI...
 
Originally posted by yndenwal:
You had to re-read all slowly... ;)

Protestant is one, not three (which is for reformed). +1 dynamism are two. +1 for shipyard probably are three...

For Switzerland, that they can colonize (ie access to the sea, etc.) does not meen that they will do it. Especially as it is most probably not a priority for the Swiss AI...
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Yndenwal, thanks for your reply. To clarify the apparent confusion of terms.

- reformed I read as being Lutheran (the filled cross as religion symbol)

- protestant I think stands for the strand created by Zwingli and Calvin.

The confusion is that in (Swiss) German protestant and reformed are synonims. Having cleared the confusion I appear to have created let me restate:

France spent some 50 year being Lutheran. In this time it received two colonists (religion and dynanism).

Then the country being half Calvinist (i.e. protestant???) France converted shortly after the Calvin 'event' happened. Thereafter I receive three colonists. And this - even after rereading :) - is not what was explained by Greven (thanks by the way for that).

hoping to be clearer now

/zwingli
 
Originally posted by zwingli:

Yndenwal, thanks for your reply. To clarify the apparent confusion of terms.

- reformed I read as being Lutheran (the filled cross as religion symbol)

- protestant I think stands for the strand created by Zwingli and Calvin.

The confusion is that in (Swiss) German protestant and reformed are synonims. Having cleared the confusion I appear to have created let me restate:

France spent some 50 year being Lutheran. In this time it received two colonists (religion and dynanism).

Then the country being half Calvinist (i.e. protestant???) France converted shortly after the Calvin 'event' happened. Thereafter I receive three colonists. And this - even after rereading :) - is not what was explained by Greven (thanks by the way for that).

hoping to be clearer now

/zwingli
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Pfiuu, I am always getting confused with all those religious stuff and things...

Well it's strange. But perhaps some modifier disappear (ie the colonial dynamism exist only for France if Catholic and disappear if France is Protestant or Reformed) ?
 
Originally posted by zwingli:

France spent some 50 year being Lutheran. In this time it received two colonists (religion and dynanism).

Then the country being half Calvinist (i.e. protestant???) France converted shortly after the Calvin 'event' happened. Thereafter I receive three colonists. And this - even after rereading :) - is not what was explained by Greven (thanks by the way for that).

Ehum... Well i'm a bit confused myself in fact. :) I think that you maybe lost you 'Dynamism' after converting to reformed. That would explain going from 2 to 3 instead to the more logical 2 to 4.

/Greven
 
Just to bring a little bit light into the religious debate.
Protestants = Have their name because of the protest against the first resolution(Reichstagsabschied) of the diet held at Speyer in 1528(9?), which said that the Lutheran creed should be abolished, so the protesting princes were Lutheran.
Reformed = Special forms of a reformed lutheran creed founded by people like Calvin and Zwingli(Züri rules!!!) They are no members of the 'Confessio Augustana' of 1555. This means that in relation to Catholizism they aren't regarded as relatives (Religionsverwandte)

But... I'm still worried about catholic countries getting no colonists. What about Maryland?
 
Originally posted by TomHas:

But... I'm still worried about catholic countries getting no colonists. What about Maryland?
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It's a bit weird catholics not having colonists! Quebec anyone? Louisiana? ALL latin america? Colonial dinamism (or whatever) is nice but I think we are missing a point here...

I can agree that a country with religious unrest generates colonists... not so with a stable country with a 'protestant' religion...

Ideas?

Carlos
 
My top bar still tells me that I get 1 colonist per year, despite me being Denmark (+1 colonial dynamism from 1520 if I read the text files correctly), Lutheran (+1), and having a shipyard.

A bug?

I am not sure: I think I may be getting 2 a year, though I haven't had time to check this due to wars.

/Strategy
 
The colonist related values in the text files appear to have no effect on the game. At least, I have not managed to change the settler rates by tinkering with colonist.csv and 1492.inc. I would guess that this is now hardcoded into the present code.

/Doomie
 
I am not happy with settler situation. With one settler for Poland after I construct shipyard ( if I ever will do that) I have no chance to confirm my Ortodox provinces (and I have many of those). Plans for colonization don't exist which is a pity. I wished to see how history could go if Poland had colony.

Also what are my chances to swich from catholic to protestant playing as a Poland? (in my personal opinion, NONE!!) I think this shuld be fixed in new pach 1.04
 
Poland with one settler from shipyard has no chance to confirm its Ortodox provinces to Catholic. Also, I don't think it has a chance to change to protestant state religion. Poland in 16 century had large population, I am sure some colonist were there. Also if you read history books you will know that there were many polish carpenters in the first English colonial expeditions.(Jamestown)

That is a pity, I wished to see how history would go if Poland had colony. I think that should be fixed in pach 1.03.
 
Pomerania, you're in the same situation as I am. Playing Poland there is definitley no reason for me to switch to Protestant. This would be unhistorical. Reading the manual again I found out that there is a chance to get one colonist per year by changing to 'gegenreformatorischer Katholizismus' but this isn't enough to converse all the 'heretics'. And it is another historical fact that Poland assimilated Lithuanian noblemen to its culture and to catholicism.
 
Originally posted by TomHas:
[/B]Pomerania, you're in the same situation as I am. Playing Poland there is definitley no reason for me to switch to Protestant. This would be unhistorical. Reading the manual again I found out that there is a chance to get one colonist per year by changing to 'gegenreformatorischer Katholizismus' but this isn't enough to converse all the 'heretics'. And it is another historical fact that Poland assimilated Lithuanian noblemen to its culture and to catholicism.
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That si true. After unification Catholic church did spred into Ukraine and Lithuania. Also, I did anex now Prussia, German Order after they swiched to Protestant religion. If you add 2 Polish province(Danzig, East Prussia) which are also protestant I should get more settlers than Denmark or Holland or Portugal.

Also If I wish to explore Atlantic Ocean I need Navy level 21. That is a big BS. By the time I will get level 21 even if I resorch only Navy it will be 1750ad.
 
Shortly after posting yesterday I had the chance to converse to counter-reformed catholicizm being the first country to do so. What happened: The text told me that my stability would fall drastically (it didn't)and that my relations to other catholic ? nations would suffer badly (they did!!!) I don't understand this!!! Relations towards lutheran and reformed countries should fall in my opinion.
Next problem is that I'm not able to converse with my colonists, because my Muslim provinces rose to the 5000 pop limitation. With zero tolerance towards Islam I still have to keep huge armies on Krim.
The positive thing is that Poland is now possessing two trading posts in Africa and India and one colony in Africa.

Well... 'Jeszcze Polska nie zgiela...' :)
 
Originally posted by TomHas:
[/B]Shortly after posting yesterday I had the chance to converse to counter-reformed catholicizm being the first country to do so. What happened: The text told me that my stability would fall drastically (it didn't)and that my relations to other catholic ? nations would suffer badly (they did!!!) I don't understand this!!! Relations towards lutheran and reformed countries should fall in my opinion.
Next problem is that I'm not able to converse with my colonists, because my Muslim provinces rose to the 5000 pop limitation. With zero tolerance towards Islam I still have to keep huge armies on Krim.
The positive thing is that Poland is now possessing two trading posts in Africa and India and one colony in Africa.

Well... 'Jeszcze Polska nie zgiela...' :)
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how did you do it. What tech level you got. when it is possible.
When you are submiting the rebel province slow down time. most of the time it drops to 4999 and it go up to 5000. See if that work. Pause the game and send settlers.

'puki my zyjemy'
 
I think I'm still at infrastructure 5 but I solved at least the conversion problem. Maybe its only working with patch 1.03, but when I conquered my Crimean rebel provinces after long sieges (never tried to storm)the population had reduced drastically under the 5000 limit, so it was no problem to converse them to the one and only faith.
 
Ahhh, O.k. changing to counter-reformed is possible after the Council of Trient.
Btw my Polish is like nothing, just remember some phrases from the books I've read about its history.
 
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