I have observed some things in my many, many hours of playing Crusader Kings II with this mod enabeled, and I figured that I would try to change a few things that I believe are incorrect. (I still play with the Steam Workshop version of CK2Plus, so if any of these things have been changed or are different now, my apologies. I will be updating to the version directly from the forums after it is compatible with the new dlc.)
- I have noticed that both the Frankish culture and the Frisian culture will eventually evolve into Dutch, this is incorrect. The Dutch culture should evolve from Frankish but not from Frisian. Dutch and Frisian have influenced eachother over the years, but Dutch did not evolve from Frisian. The Frisian culture is still around today for example, so I believe that this should be adressed and changed.
- The Frisian culture and the territory it is supposed to be present in is only partly correct. There are several historical maps available that show the territory that the Frisians once held, both as an independent nation and under the Franks and the HRE. One of such maps, represents the Frisian lands in the year 1300 A.D, it is shown that the Frisians control Friesland, Ost Friesland, the coastal areas of northern Germany and a part of Denmark.
- From the tenth century to the beginning of the sixteenth century Frisia went through a unique period of development, almost entirely lacking the feudal structure introduced by Charlemagne. This was the direct result of the "Frisian Freedom" that was granted to Magnus Forteman by Charlemagne in what was called "the Karelsprivilige." This was the reward the Frisians received for the conquest of Rome. Various sources have reported the existence of the Karelsprivilege. Some see this story as a legend and the Karelsprivilege as a forgery, although the charter by various kings and even by several popes has been confirmed.
"When asked by the emperor, Magnus requested no payment by way of nobility, but instead requested the right to freedom, and free speech forever, for all Frisians. Their courage was rewarded with the Karelsprivilige that is all Frisian freemen both the born and the unborn, so long as the wind blows the clouds and the world lasts. Also Charles gave them a golden crown in the shield, and a half eagle in their coat of arms, as a token that they had received freedom from the Emperor. (In that they owed no fealty to counts or dukes, only to the Emperor himself.)
What I would like to see changed:
- I propose that two new Dutchies will be created, one in the Kingdom of Frisia and the other in the Kingdom of Saxony. West Friesland, Friesland and Ost Friesland should be grouped together in one Dutchy. The second Dutchy should be created from the coastal regions of Northern Germany. This leaves the area in Denmark that could possibly be a one county Dutchy or simply act as a new small county in Denmark with a Frisian culture.
- The new Dutchy in northern Germany should be a de-jure part of the Kingdom of Frisia, though it could made so that over time, it fades and that if say, Saxony conquers it, the land becomes de-jure part of Saxony.
- "During the 7th to 10th centuries, Frisian merchants and skippers played an important part in the international luxury trade, establishing commercial districts in distant cities as Sigtuna, Hedeby, Ribe, York, London, Duisburg, Cologne, Mainz, and Worms." I mention this because even though the Frisian developments were unique for its time, creating a new form of government would be to much of a hassle. Therefor, a change of the lands to Tribal would be more appropriate, but cities and possibly a church here or there should be included.
- Possibly change the title for Frisian counts to what in English would be "Council Giver" making it more of a representative then a count, which would be accurate. Maybe add a decision for a ruler to change this, causing a loss prestige, upsetting vassals and giving a very high rebellion chance. (Maybe a series of small events that determines how long it takes for the population to accept the change.) Furthermore, perhaps if the Emperor directly has the Frisian vassals under him and not under a Duke (The Frisian Freedom ment that they owed loyalty to only the Emperor) they should get an opinion modifier that negates the negative modifier for tribal vassal under a feudal overlord. A Frisian Freedom modifer if you will, that means the people in the province are happy.
Anyway, this is just a suggestion, do as much or as little as you please. I just thought that it would be neat and historically accurate to at the very least make the location of Frisian culture more accurate.
- I have noticed that both the Frankish culture and the Frisian culture will eventually evolve into Dutch, this is incorrect. The Dutch culture should evolve from Frankish but not from Frisian. Dutch and Frisian have influenced eachother over the years, but Dutch did not evolve from Frisian. The Frisian culture is still around today for example, so I believe that this should be adressed and changed.
- The Frisian culture and the territory it is supposed to be present in is only partly correct. There are several historical maps available that show the territory that the Frisians once held, both as an independent nation and under the Franks and the HRE. One of such maps, represents the Frisian lands in the year 1300 A.D, it is shown that the Frisians control Friesland, Ost Friesland, the coastal areas of northern Germany and a part of Denmark.
- From the tenth century to the beginning of the sixteenth century Frisia went through a unique period of development, almost entirely lacking the feudal structure introduced by Charlemagne. This was the direct result of the "Frisian Freedom" that was granted to Magnus Forteman by Charlemagne in what was called "the Karelsprivilige." This was the reward the Frisians received for the conquest of Rome. Various sources have reported the existence of the Karelsprivilege. Some see this story as a legend and the Karelsprivilege as a forgery, although the charter by various kings and even by several popes has been confirmed.
"When asked by the emperor, Magnus requested no payment by way of nobility, but instead requested the right to freedom, and free speech forever, for all Frisians. Their courage was rewarded with the Karelsprivilige that is all Frisian freemen both the born and the unborn, so long as the wind blows the clouds and the world lasts. Also Charles gave them a golden crown in the shield, and a half eagle in their coat of arms, as a token that they had received freedom from the Emperor. (In that they owed no fealty to counts or dukes, only to the Emperor himself.)
What I would like to see changed:
- I propose that two new Dutchies will be created, one in the Kingdom of Frisia and the other in the Kingdom of Saxony. West Friesland, Friesland and Ost Friesland should be grouped together in one Dutchy. The second Dutchy should be created from the coastal regions of Northern Germany. This leaves the area in Denmark that could possibly be a one county Dutchy or simply act as a new small county in Denmark with a Frisian culture.
- The new Dutchy in northern Germany should be a de-jure part of the Kingdom of Frisia, though it could made so that over time, it fades and that if say, Saxony conquers it, the land becomes de-jure part of Saxony.
- "During the 7th to 10th centuries, Frisian merchants and skippers played an important part in the international luxury trade, establishing commercial districts in distant cities as Sigtuna, Hedeby, Ribe, York, London, Duisburg, Cologne, Mainz, and Worms." I mention this because even though the Frisian developments were unique for its time, creating a new form of government would be to much of a hassle. Therefor, a change of the lands to Tribal would be more appropriate, but cities and possibly a church here or there should be included.
- Possibly change the title for Frisian counts to what in English would be "Council Giver" making it more of a representative then a count, which would be accurate. Maybe add a decision for a ruler to change this, causing a loss prestige, upsetting vassals and giving a very high rebellion chance. (Maybe a series of small events that determines how long it takes for the population to accept the change.) Furthermore, perhaps if the Emperor directly has the Frisian vassals under him and not under a Duke (The Frisian Freedom ment that they owed loyalty to only the Emperor) they should get an opinion modifier that negates the negative modifier for tribal vassal under a feudal overlord. A Frisian Freedom modifer if you will, that means the people in the province are happy.
Anyway, this is just a suggestion, do as much or as little as you please. I just thought that it would be neat and historically accurate to at the very least make the location of Frisian culture more accurate.
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