Georgia Changes for Flavour and Accuracy

[Delurker]

I’d like to make some suggestions for how to improve Georgia in the game.


First I’d like to suggest some dynamic province names:

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12 Sjælland - Zelandia


41 Koenigsberg – Kenigsbergi


50 Berlin – Berlini


85 Koeln - K'elni


97 Holland - Holandia


101 Genoa - Genua


102 Nice – Nitsa


110 Trent - Trento


112 Venezia – Venetsia


113 Ferrara - Ferara


115 Pisa - Piza


116 Firenze -Florentsia


118 Roma – Romi


121 Napoli – Neapoli


134 Wien - Vena


144 Epirus – Epiri?


146 Athens – Ateni


147 Thessaly – Tesalia?


148 Macedonia - Mak'edonia


149 Edirne – Adrianopoli


150 Tarnovo – Tirnovo?


151 Constantinople - (Istanbul = Stanbuli; Constantinople = K'onst'ant'inop'oli)


153 Pest – Peshti?


163 Crete - Kreta


183 Paris – P’arizi


236 London - Londoni


257 Warszawa – Varshava


262 Krakow - Krakovi


280 Kiev - Kievi


284 Crimea – Qirimi


286 Azov – Azovi (I think)


287 Kuban – Jiketi


(N.B. Kuban should have alternative name if Circassia takes it - Pshyze)


295 Moskva – Mosk’ovi


310 Novgorod – (Didi) Novgorodi – “Didi” means “The Great”, like “Velikiy Novgorod” in Russian


317 Hüdavendigar – Bursa (or Brusa)


319 Mentese – Menteshe?


320 Rhodes – Rodosi


321 Cyprus - K'vip'rosi


327 Adana - Adana


328 Sinop – Sinopi


329 Sivas - several options – Sebastia probably best


330 Trebizond - T'rap'izoni


331 Erzurum - Karnu-Kalaki is probably the best choice


365 Sinai - Sinai


379 Jerusalem – Ierusalimi


382 Damascus - Damask'i


410 Baghdad - Baghdadi


411 Mosul – Mosuli

Edit to add: 416 Tabriz - Tavrizi

418 Diyarbakir - Diarbakiri


419 Yerevan – Erivani/Erebuni


421 Shirvan = Shirvani


424 Ardabil - Ardebili


428 Teheran - Teirani


429 Isfahan – Ispaani


442 Bukhara - Bukhara


445 Merv - Mervi


454 Samarkand - Samarqandi


462 Mingrelia – Samegrelo - Mingrelia is the Russian name, not the Georgian one. EDIT: on further reading actually Odishi is an even better choice for the name of the province than Samegrelo, which was only really used in the 19th century. Definitely not Mingrelia though.


463 Circassia – Cherkezeti


464 Astrakhan - Ast'rakhani


475 Bashkortostan - Bashk'ireti


522 Delhi – Deli


1765 Sofia – Sofia


1773 Achaea - Akaia


1816 Beijing - P'ek'ini


1855 Sidon - Sidoni


2205 Nakhchivan – Nakhichevani


2208 Terek – Tergi


2218 Shiraz - Shirazi


2306 Mush - Mushi


2307 Van – Vani


2313 Antioch - Ant'iokia


2331 Jeddah – Jida


2348 Chios - Kiosi

Other changes:

My major source for all this is Edge of Empires: a History of Georgia by Donald Rayfield, which as far as I can tell is the most comprehensive study available in English. All the events apart from the baths one are featured in that text. Many of these ideas have been suggested before on these forums but I wanted to collate and polish them a bit, as well as back them up a bit more with sources so they seem more credible to those who don’t know this region very well.

The Darial Pass

The South Caucasus should have a break in the middle for the Darial Pass. It should link Kartli to Alania. The Darial Pass was very important in the history of the region. In the period roughly 1000-1400 the fact that the pass was controlled by Georgians or their allies (the Ossetians) was crucial in stopping Georgia being invaded by the steppe peoples to the North. Later, when Russia finally decisively invaded Georgia at the end of the 1700s, they did so through the Darial Pass. The current situation is ahistorical and encourages powers in the Northern Caucasus to attack via Abkhazia, which was famously difficult and swampy terrain in real life and so was only subdued by the Russian Empire later.

Darbazi

Very minor, but if possible it would be nice to change the “Call Diet” action in the estates tabs to “Call Darbazi”, since that was the name of the roughly equivalent Georgian institution (it was basically the King’s council.) For added flavour, it could increase the influence of the clergy as well as the nobility, as the key religious figures were also invited to darbazis.

Noble influence

A small change that I don’t know how easy it would be to modify, but the common thread for Georgia in this period is a strong and disloyal nobility. It would be good to have higher noble influence as a result, to make it harder to manage that estate. I think there’s a reasonable case for making Georgia a Feudal Monarchy rather than a Despotic Monarchy.

Events:

Currently, Georgia has no events of its own at all. I am aware that it's a bit difficult to create events for Georgia because it spent most of the period hopelessly split, with the West under the thumb of the Ottomans and the East the Persians. For this reason I've gone for cultural achievements because 1) they're not railroady and 2) they are not dependent on the overall geopolitical situation to the same extent. Here are my suggestions. I'm flexible on the effects they have - the aim is to provide flavour for a tag that has no flavour of its own beyond being Orthodox at the moment, not to turn Georgia into some kind of superpower.

Spoiler

Zaza Panaskerteli-Tsitsishvili’s Karabadini


Conditions:


Year = 1486 or so


http://www.medgeo.net/2009/12/25/სამკურნალო-წიგნი-კარაბად/ (kinda has picture – but could just use generic manuscript pic)


(In 1486) Eristavi Zaza Panaskerteli-Tsitsishvili wrote and compiled an important collection of Georgian medical knowledge. Drawing on Galenic and Sumerian ideas, as well as local remedies, the two volumes of the Karabadini describe methods of identifying diseases and how to examine patients. The Karabadini examines both physical and mental illnesses. Mental illnesses are said to be a product of physical issues in the brain, and therefore they require medication, not magic rituals. In Panaskerteli-Tsitsishvili’s opinion, it is necessary to heal the patient using accurate knowledge based on rational methods of treatment.


Our people shall benefit greatly from this work!


Effects:


+10% population growth (same as Medical Evolution event) for 500 days or whatever (maybe lower but for longer?)


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Sayat-Nova

Sayat-Nova was a renowned ashugh (troubadour) singer in the 18th century. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayat-Nova). He was ethnically Armenian but came from Tbilisi and King Erekle II of Georgia patronised him.


The event should fire from 1740 to 1765


"A wandering ashugh who calls himself Sayat-Nova has come to our court singing songs of love and merriment in all the languages of the South Caucasus. Shall we patronise him?"


YES > pay x money, gain prestige


NO > lose prestige


Note: Since Sayat-Nova was ethnically Armenian, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that if an Armenian state had existed at the time he would have tried to gain patronage there, especially after being banished from Erekle II's court. Therefore I propose this event be assigned to Armenia as well. These days he seems to be more famous in Armenian circles than Georgian ones anyway, thanks to being in The Colour of Pomegranates.

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Year is at least 1675. Year is before 1715



Sulkhan-Saba Orbeliani

Sulkhan-Saba Orbeliani (1658-1725) was a Georgian polymath. He wrote Georgia's first dictionary, wrote a classic of Georgian literature called A Book of Wisdom and Lies when he was only in his 20s, and later was sent as a diplomat to France to try to create an alliance with Louis XIV (Louis died and it came to nothing.) He was also a Catholic monk for a while. Interesting guy. I want to leave the diplomatic stuff out of the blurb because it feels a bit railroady.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulkhan-Saba_Orbeliani


"Sulkhan-Saba Orbeliani (1658-1725) was a Georgian polymath. He wrote A Book of Wisdom and Lies (Tsigni Sibrdzne Sitsruisa), a classic of Georgian literature that uses fables to explore human folly and how to live a more moral life. He also wrote the first Georgian dictionary and was instrumental in the development of printing and literacy in the country."


We are fortunate to have such a talent in our realm.


Effects:

Gain 50 Admin

Gain 10 prestige

(I'd be tempted to have something about increasing institution spread speed here.)


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This event is not *quite* historical. Due to Eastern Georgia's subjugation to the Persians, there was rather little development of urban and social infrastructure there until Vakhtang VI. However, in the game Georgia would almost inevitably have to be independent or they wouldn't be being played, so I think there's a case to be made that they would have invested in this area if they'd had the wherewithal. And there is historical evidence that the baths were being used more by common people in the 17th century. And the oldest still existing bathhouse is from 1726, so well within the timeframe. (http://www.eurasianet.org/node/64912)


Year is at least 1650.


Develop the Tbilisi Baths

We Georgians have been bathing in public baths since the days of the Roman Empire. Indeed our capital Tbilisi was built on hot springs by Vakhtang Gorgasali in the 5th century CE. Since then, we have enjoyed the warm sulphurous waters there. Now, under the cultural influence of the Islamic Empires to our south, the common people and our soldiers have become ever more keen to wash their cares away. We should build more bathhouses to satisfy public demand and show our munificence.


Yes, let us provide for our people in this way.

Pay x money, gain 10 prestige.


No, our people have no need of such amusements.

Lose 5 prestige.

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Growth of Armenian Diaspora

Triggers: Armenia does not exist

Year is at least 1600

“Our fellow Christians the Armenians have begun settling in our fair land. They are bringing prosperity to our capital, but some of our people are uneasy at the presence of so many foreigners in our midst.”


Let them stay!

+2 base tax, +1 unrest in Kartli


We have no need of these interlopers!

Lose 5 prestige?


Context: there were a lot of Armenians in Tbilisi and they actually formed the vast majority of the population in the 19th century.

Finally, I’d like to discuss Georgia’s National Ideas.

Spoiler

Georgia’s current National Ideas:

Traditions:

Traditions:

+50% Hostile core-creation cost on us

−10% Shock damage received



Chance of new heir.png Bagrationi Dynasty

+50% Chance of new heir



Improve relations.png Georgian Isolation

+30% Improve relations



Construction cost.png Restoration of Fortresses and Churches

−10% Construction cost



Income from vassals.png Georgian Protectorates

+20% Income from vassals



Stability cost modifier.png Samouravo Counties

−10% Stability cost modifier



Manpower recovery speed.png Sadrosho Districts

+20% Manpower recovery speed



Diplomatic reputation.png Georgian Embassies

+1 Diplomatic reputation



Idea bonus.png Ambition:

−20% Infantry cost



My comments:

There are a couple of these that stick out as being unfitting. First is Georgian Protectorates. Simply put, during the time period of the game, Georgia basically never had any vassals so I have no idea why this is part of the National Ideas. The Georgia of the Golden Age had some vassal states e.g. Ganja for brief periods, the Ossetians/Alans were kind of vassals for a bit in the same time period, and there was the historic relationship to Trebizond. But Trebizond is the only one of these which might be applicable in game terms from 1444 onwards and they only existed until 1461! The constituent parts of Georgia were vassals of other powers (the Ottomans and the Persians) but that does not make this idea make any more sense. I note that I’m not the only person on these forums to have made this point (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...erhaul-suggestion.979905/page-3#post-22755127).

The other one of these that I’m not keen on is Samouravo Counties. Although these were indeed created by Giorgi VIII/I of Kakhetia in the late 1400s, 1) that was only in part of the territory of Georgia and more importantly 2) Georgia afterwards, particularly in the West, was an absolute nest of snakes basically until King Vakhtang VI or so, so reducing stability cost really doesn’t fit the times. (Referring to a slightly more restricted period, Rayfield says “The story of western Georgia between the death of King Alexandre [i.e. 1660] and the accession of King Solomon I [i.e. 1752] is a confusing vortex of internecine war, depositions and restorations, abduction, adultery, mutilation, murder and treachery. The only consolation for the student of Imeretian-Gurian-Mingrelian history is that it was even more terrible to endure in reality than to read about in retrospect.”) Plus to be honest -10% stability cost modifier is pretty boring and limited.


Instead I would like to suggest some alternatives that seem much more suitable. The first of these is an idea for reduced war exhaustion. Again, this is not an original idea on these forums http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...erhaul-suggestion.979905/page-3#post-22755127). One of the key threads of Georgian history in this period is that they just kept fighting and resisting (particularly the Muslim empires – not Russia quite so much), even though they usually lost in the end. King Teimuraz I spent 50 years resisting the Persians in the first half of the 1600s, losing and regaining his throne repeatedly in the process. Later, the 300 Aragvians would become famous for their last stand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Hundred_Aragvians). When Georgians weren’t fighting the empires that had vassalised them they were fighting one another. The principalities of Western Georgia in particular fought each other over and over again in this period.


Resistance to Foreign Domination

“In spite of our small size compared to the mighty empires around us, we defend our land against all-comers. Our tenacity in the face of adversity has kept the idea of Georgia alive even through our darkest hours as a nation.”

-0.02 monthly war exhaustion

(If anyone can come up with a better name for this idea I’m all ears. I would call it Legacy of the 300 Aragvians but since they come up at the end of the period rather than the beginning it would seem a bit odd.)


The second is something relating to Georgia’s Orthodox faith. Georgia was a very early adopter of Christianity (they tend to say the second after Armenia but I understand there’s a bit of dispute about that) and Orthodoxy has remained a central part of Georgian identity since the 300s. Indeed, in the tenth century, Giorgi Merchule defined Georgia as anywhere where Mass was said in Georgian. Also, unlike say the Russians, who had a variety of sects split off from the main church, as far as I know this never really happened in Georgia. Moreover, their Orthodoxy was crucial to their foreign policy in this period. They kept trying to draw closer to Russia because Russia, unlike the Ottomans and the Persians, was an Orthodox power. Even when some of the rulers of Kakheti, Kartli and Imereti converted to Islam, this was always under strong pressure from the imperial power and usually just for show. Samtskhe was a bit of an exception admittedly, and became rather Muslim under the Ottomans.

So my suggestion for this would be:

St Nino’s Cross

“In the 4th century, St Nino cured Queen Nana of Iberia of a mortal illness. As a result, her husband, King Mirian, made Christianity our state religion. Since that time, we Georgians have tightly held on to our Christian faith. As one of the first Christian nations, it is crucial for us to maintain our faith against all others. May we one day once again have the strength to aid our brethren in Jerusalem!”

Tolerance of the True Faith +2

OR

Something that increases the new Patriarch Authority from Third Rome.

(Note: once again, this is not an original idea: (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...e-of-new-effects.1031640/page-2#post-23034910))

Note: St Nino was the one who converted Georgia to Christianity. Her cross, made of vine branches, is a symbol of Georgian Christianity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapevine_cross). The Georgians set up a monastery in Jerusalem long before 1444 but had increasingly little power to protect their clergy and so on, hence the last line.

I would suggest making this an early idea, possibly even a tradition, but certainly one of the first 2 ideas.


There are four other elements of Georgian history that I think would be particularly appropriate for National Ideas, but I haven’t totally fleshed them out yet. Those are the history as being possibly the birthplace of wine; Vakhtang VI’s code the dasturlamali (a late idea which would reduce unrest in some way) and relatedly the institution of serfdom, or patronqmoba, which was extremely persistent and created a society of nobles and peasants; and something relating to fort maintenance (there are castles all over Georgia, and in particular Svaneti deserves a mention as a place where every single family had their own defensive tower https://www.georgianjournal.ge/pictures/image2/5498601486b096ab6031b59ef9f73764.jpg.) As for which ideas would be eliminated, I know many people find Hostile Core Creation Cost boring, although I understand the gameplay reasons for why that might be necessary. Controversially, since it seems like a bit of a nerf, I’d be tempted to get rid of one of the two diplomatic ideas. Georgia absolutely did send out emissaries throughout the period, but they were notably unsuccessful in gaining support from larger powers, whether they be the Pope, France, or indeed Russia under Peter the Great, who promised support and didn’t show up in 1722. The one exception is the Traktat they signed with Russia under Catherine the Great, which the Russians promptly broke and led to them being annexed. I’m also not particularly keen on the Ambition being reduced infantry cost but I don’t have a strong idea of what to replace it with.

There are obviously lots of more fundamental changes that could be made to Georgia too (a complicated event chain to simulate its breakup in the late 1400s, the introduction of Ossetian and Abkhaz cultures to the game, and so on) but this is long enough already. Thank you if you’ve read to the end. I don’t speak Georgian sadly (although I do speak some Russian) so I’m sure I’ve made plenty of mistakes - please pick me up on them.
I'd like to credit the participants on these threads: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/rome-by-the-euxine.980305/ https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ion-comprehensive-overhaul-suggestion.979905/ as being particularly helpful.

 

[Delurker]

I'm wondering why the devs made the 1444 Georgian ruler and heir such worthless morons while surrounding states that completely collapsed and failed under their 1444 rulers (like Qara Qoyunlu) have like 3/4/5 stats and such when the collapse of QQ was precipitated by a military defeat under their starting ruler.

Just...weird.

I'll stick up for the devs a bit here. I can't really speak about QQ etc., but as regards Georgia, Vakhtang IV lasted 4 years before dying (1442-6) during which time he did nothing much of note but couldn't suppress powerful nobles. Giorgi VIII/I managed to lose almost the whole kingdom apart from Kakheti and the only real positive things he did that I know of is 1) seizing the throne in the first place and 2) putting his own people in charge of the duchies etc. in Kakheti so that he had a more unitary kingdom and was able to raise troops without relying so much on his lords. With all that said, I don't know that they were *totally* inept - it seems like they were faced with problems that they weren't able to solve. (Now Av-Giorgi, on the other hand - there's a 0/0/0 leader if ever I saw one.)

 

[Trin Tragula]

Jahan Shah was the architect behind Qara Qoyunlus rise to power and is generally regarded as their greatest ruler.

 

[durbal]

Jahan Shah was the architect behind Qara Qoyunlus rise to power and is generally regarded as their greatest ruler.

'Greatest ruler' of a kingdom that lasted for two rulers.

He also has a military skill of 5 despite his terrible blunder that caused him to die (and his only military challenge), and all without any good organization in place for succession that caused his entire kingdom to fall. By the standard of simply expanding de facto lands and uniting them, George III was a 6/6/6.

I'll stick up for the devs a bit here. I can't really speak about QQ etc., but as regards Georgia, Vakhtang IV lasted 4 years before dying (1442-6) during which time he did nothing much of note but couldn't suppress powerful nobles. Giorgi VIII/I managed to lose almost the whole kingdom apart from Kakheti and the only real positive things he did that I know of is 1) seizing the throne in the first place and 2) putting his own people in charge of the duchies etc. in Kakheti so that he had a more unitary kingdom and was able to raise troops without relying so much on his lords. With all that said, I don't know that they were *totally* inept - it seems like they were faced with problems that they weren't able to solve. (Now Av-Giorgi, on the other hand - there's a 0/0/0 leader if ever I saw one.)

Vakhtang I beat Jahan Shah back during his second invasion and at the height of QQ power and nadir of Georgian, but whatever.

Jahan Shah didn't do anything militarily besides capture some isolated city-states during the Timurid power vacuum (and then assume rulership of many areas that just fell into his hands) until finally dying in an ambush while packing it up and going home because he couldn't discipline his troops.

 

[Delurker]

Vakhtang I beat Jahan Shah back during his second invasion and at the height of QQ power and nadir of Georgian, but whatever.

Fair point - I forgot about that. Rayfield says "Vakhtang reigned four years; his wife Sitikhatun Panaskerteli, died two years before him, leaving no heir: his only recorded action was a fierce, but inconclusive battle with Jehan Shah of the Qara-Koyunlu [sic] at Akhaltsikhe. He was politically too weak to arrest rebels like the nobleman Taqa Panaskerteli, whom he paid off by appointing him mouravi." He's 2/2/1 in-game - giving him one more MIL wouldn't be bad. Though he didn't win the battle and didn't conquer anywhere new.

 

[Machabeli]

Jahan Shah was the architect behind Qara Qoyunlus rise to power and is generally regarded as their greatest ruler.

Hey dev could you remove imereti at the start?

 

[Delurker]

Not sure if this belongs here or in the bug forum, but the decision to form Georgia is coded slightly wrong:

allow = {
NOT = { exists = GEO }
is_at_war = no
is_free_or_tributary_trigger = yes
is_nomad = no
owns_core_province = 422 # Imereti
owns_core_province = 423 # Tblisi
owns_core_province = 2203 # Kahketi
owns_core_province = 2204 # Lomsia
owns_core_province = 4303 # Kartli
OR = {
owns_core_province = 462 #Mingrelia
owns_core_province = 2196 #Guria
owns_core_province = 4303 #Tao
}

4303 is Tao, not Kartli, so it requires you to own Tao as well as making that optional. 4301 is Kartli and that's presumably what was meant. While I'm on the subject, is there any chance that the game files for Tbilisi and Kakheti could be spelled correctly? They're rendered correctly in the game but if you're trying to find the files to mod things like I've been doing you have to remember how they've been misspelled or you can't find them (and what's written above is another example of the problem, obviously.)

 

[Reavici]

I made topo map of desintegrated Georgian kingdoms and Trebizond Empire. + subdivisions. my paint skills sucks

update

also
Agvan-Udi area in Middle Ages (4th to 19th centuries)
Sheki, Ganja, Karabakh and Hereti (south-eastern part of Kakheti) was known as Arran, Aġvank in Armenian sources. title of Georgian kings included "Kings of Abkhazes, Iberians. Rans and Kakhs. just sayin. I think eastern Armenian region must include Nakhchevan, Yerevan, Kars(?) and Bayezid or whatever province it is, near Yerevan. Karabakh with Armenian culture can be grouped along Ganja and Sheki together.

I don't really get why Armenia got permament claims on major parts of Samtskhe... its bs

Spoiler

Arran or Rani within Georgian Kingdom

 

[Zak Preston]

I'd still throw +5% discipline to Georgian NIs instead of -20% Infantry cost

 

[Machabeli]

So I've decided to make my own crappy map of Georgian kingdoms and principalities.

Enjoy.

 

[Paxter Redwyne]

Why is Demetre I of Imereti 63 years old in the game? Isn't he supposed to be younger brother of king Vakhtang IV? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/developer-diary-8th-of-august-2017.1038756/
I am confused who is he supposed to represent. There were two Demetre at that time. One is a duke of imereti and second was co-king of Georgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius,_son_of_Alexander_I_of_Georgia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius,_Duke_of_Imereti
Can someone clarify to me this?

 

[Calanon]

Why is Demetre I of Imereti 63 years old in the game? Isn't he supposed to be younger brother of king Vakhtang IV? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/developer-diary-8th-of-august-2017.1038756/
I am confused who is he supposed to represent. There were two Demetre at that time. One is a duke of imereti and second was co-king of Georgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius,_son_of_Alexander_I_of_Georgia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius,_Duke_of_Imereti
Can someone clarify to me this?

Considering the Imereti file, I am lead to believe that the in-game 63 year old is the duke rather than the co-king. It lists Demetre II as ruling from 1446, the year in which George seized the throne.

 

[Paxter Redwyne]

Considering the Imereti file, I am lead to believe that the in-game 63 year old is the duke rather than the co-king. It lists Demetre II as ruling from 1446, the year in which George seized the throne.

Thank you for your reply. It is really weird that Paradox talked about co-king of Georgia in Dev diary only to add some old duke in the game.

 

[Calanon]

Thank you for your reply. It is really weird that Paradox talked about co-king of Georgia in Dev diary only to add some old duke in the game.

I presume the file hasn't been changed since before the update, but I agree it is weird. I've changed it in my mod. I'm now trying to make the Darial Gorge properly in the province file but it just doesn't look quite right to me... Not sure how to make it look decent and be wide enough, or which province should be the one extending into the mountain range.

 

[Machabeli]

Here's my map of the Kingdom of Georgia with core provinces.

 

[Reavici]

Machabeli. Oltisi used to be capital of Tao.

 

[Machabeli]

Machabeli. Oltisi used to be capital of Tao.

Yeah i figured as much, when i made that map i knew i made mistake but i was too lazy to change it so yeah. but with that being said i think my map overall is pretty good, and with the recent adding of the provinces to the Netherlands my map suggestion for Georgia isn't unreasonable at all, and at the very least Lore and Tashiri are really needed, also adding Pshavi and Tusheti to Kakheti would strengthen independent Kingdom of Kakheti as a whole and make it more diverse and fun to play.(Also a bit of correction Batumi and Sokhumi back then were know as Batomi and Tskhumi.)

 

[Reavici]

well I like your Mtianeti region

It includes all the eastern mountainous regions that existed in Georgia. prolly Dusheti could serve as capital of it.

 

[Machabeli]

well I like your Mtianeti region

It includes all the eastern mountainous regions that existed in Georgia. prolly Dusheti could serve as capital of it.

Yeah Dusheti is a fitting choice since it was The capital of the Duchy of Aragvi.

 

[Machabeli]

Alright i updated my map a bit.

First of all i changed the name of Hereti to Kak-Eliseni(or Saingilo) and as you can see i have added provinces of Khevsureti and Tusheti to Kakheti.

 

[Machabeli]

Here's a map of all the province capitals.