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Jun 27, 2006
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Hi all...

I'm a big fan of the CORE mod, and have played it a number of times for HOI 2. I'm in the midst of my second HOI2DD game with CORE, and ran into a weird situation.

To begin with, my first DD CORE game was with GER (basically because I’m used to that country, kinda know what to expect, know how I want to plan things out, etc). Everything went well: per-war was the usual path, took over POL after the "Danzig or War" event, got the automatic DOW from the Allies, then went north to form Scandinavia, then west to the Low Countries and France, yadda yadda yadda....the quote "usual" game for GER.

My second game was with the UK (wanted a challenge, wanted more naval combat, etc). Pre-war was usual path, except I was more involved in the Spanish Civil War than OTL. I tacked back towards appeasement, once I figured out that I wasn't going to be ready for a big war if I kept going hardline on events.

Now, here's my weird situation. I get the "Allies Guarantee Poland" event, I guarantee POL. End of August comes around, the "Danzig or War" event fires, we get war. Well, kinda. GER goes after POL (btw, GER and SOV did the historical M-R Pact), and I (as the UK) don't get any automatic DOW on GER. I thought it might trigger later in September, but it doesn't. GER and SOV divvy up the remains of POL, we're close to October, and still no war between GER and the Allies.

So I go to the Diplomacy screen, click on GER, and see if I can DOW them. The belligerence rating is moderate (high 20's, if I remember right), and I click on "Declare War". The info screen then tells me I’d get a 10 point dissent hit for DOW on GER, even though I'd supposedly guaranteed POL prior to the Danzig event.

I guess my questions come down to this:

1. Is the above situation a bug, or WAD?
2. Did I choose an option earlier that somehow short-circuited the Allies' DOW on GER?
3. Did I mod some files and cause this short-circuit?
4. Does my DOW on GER give the rest of the Allies dissent hits? (I went ahead and DOW'd GER, F12 and cheated to get the dissent down -- I shouldn't have dissent for DOW on GER after they DOW'd POL)



For more info, the only modding I did was to the UK tech teams, to some base IC levels in various Home Island provinces, and starting resources. The only modding to events I’ve done in CORE was to the BP event, but that was in my previous game as GER.

The current situation in my game is that GER, after defeating POL and being DOW'd by me, begins to move their army to the west. Then, GER declares war on the Low Countries, but in a piecemeal fashion: first, the Netherlands, then noticeable later Belgium, then finally sometime after BEL, they declare on Luxemburg. The Dutch took one of GER ports on the North Sea (Wilhelmshaven, I believe). I land my army and support the Dutch by clearing out northern GER, and then swinging south to trap a large portion of the GER army against the Maginot Line, the rest of the Benelux armies, and the French armies. BTW, France has been admirably aggressive in this war; not moving out of the Maginot Line in a suicidal manner, swinging up north through BEL to hook around the GER armies placed around Aachen and neighboring provinces to do a mirror (or would it be reverse?) Schlieffen Plan.


Again, I guess my question is this: did I mess something up, and thus screw with the automatic DOW on GER after the Danzig event, or is this a WAD.


Thanks all,
Lemons
 
As you're playing the UK yourself you should DOW yourself. The initial Alliance with POL was changed into a Guarantee of Independence (in 0.25 IIRC). So basically it's WAD. What I'm not sure about is whether you should get a dissent hit from doing so, and I know of some reports of users having an isolationist level that prevents the UK from DOWing GER in the first place.

It's probably best to verify with Historyman whether things should work as they are right now, as it's his ballpark. Probably best to Mantify it. Do you have an account in Mantis?
 
Hagar said:
As you're playing the UK yourself you should DOW yourself. The initial Alliance with POL was changed into a Guarantee of Independence (in 0.25 IIRC). So basically it's WAD. What I'm not sure about is whether you should get a dissent hit from doing so, and I know of some reports of users having an isolationist level that prevents the UK from DOWing GER in the first place.

I didn't know this. Thanks for the explanation. seems my inexperience with the CORE event system helped out a little, as GER focused almost all of its land units towards beating POL, and left relatively little in the West for defence, thus making it a bit easier to attack GER from the Low Countries and France.

As to the dissent hit, if there was a method to assess a small, fractional dissent hit for any DOW, no matter how high the interventionist slider is set, it might make sense. My reasoning being, in any country, you're going to have people who are upset and angry about any DOW, no matter how "right" or "justified" it is. For example, having a hard floor of 0.5 or 0.25 dissent hit for any DOW might work.

on the other hand, in the real life, historical situation that the UK found itself in, any dissent would be drowned out by the overwhelming response to fight GER...


Hagar said:
It's probably best to verify with Historyman whether things should work as they are right now, as it's his ballpark. Probably best to Mantify it. Do you have an account in Mantis?


Sorry, i have no idea what you mean by either comment :) could you explain further?
 
It's not entirely working as designed, in that the UK doesn't (for example) go to Full Mobilisation over the attack on Poland (which gives it favourable slider shifts to declare war, amongst other things). However, the concept is correct, in that you shouldn't get "auto war" after Danzig. If you are playing as England, then you can always try and invite Poland to the Allies once Germany attacks them - that will get you into war OK.

I expect we might have some further events to "tidy up" this section of gameplay in the next version - the initial Anglo-French reaction, final ultimatum, and Chamberlain's speech "Consequently, this country is at war with Germany". You may well see some more preparatory actions by ENG earlier on as well.

Tim (aka Historyman)

PS Mantis is mantis.terranova.dk, Mantify means to make a post there
 
Thanks very much for your help. Finding out that this was essentially WAD, makes me feel a little bit better about how i played up to the point of DOWing GER, in that i didn't mess something up earlier in some other event. If i understand you correctly, i should only make a post on the Mantis server if i have a bug or something similar, not if i have a question regarding events or choices, or if its a WAD?


Thanks again,
Lemons
 
Yes - Mantis is for reporting errors/problems and the like (even if it is just spelling errors or missing names, etc) - questions about gameplay or whether something is working properly should come to us here - or at our very own CORE forum - at www.terranova.dk

Tim
 
Lemonsbd said:
Sorry, i have no idea what you mean by either comment :) could you explain further?
I guess that proves nobody reads those signatures... ;)