Hey guys i love mod wif but i really cant paint the world grey so can someone tell me how the hell to beat France and Poland and meybe SU.I post in the wif threat but no one sees it.
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You have to commit all your forces simultaneously, to avoid the AI's dogpile on the real target province. As soon as you enter your target province, fan out if possible to take undefended provinces and try for encirclements.
In France, your airforce is key. Attack with multiple forces all across the front, but use your airforce in the province you want most. As soon as you break the French line you will be able to win.
In Russia, attack the whole line but have your armor in two provinces, each force having the objective of linking up behind the Russian line. Again, your airforce is very useful.
I have no problems getting at least 130 INF, 20 ARM, 15 MOT and a large airforce stacked against Russia by 6/22/41.
In France, your airforce is key. Attack with multiple forces all across the front, but use your airforce in the province you want most. As soon as you break the French line you will be able to win.
In Russia, attack the whole line but have your armor in two provinces, each force having the objective of linking up behind the Russian line. Again, your airforce is very useful.
I have no problems getting at least 130 INF, 20 ARM, 15 MOT and a large airforce stacked against Russia by 6/22/41.
I like the WiF mod a lot and am currently getting my arse kicked as Japan. I've never played Germany with WiF, but have been following this AAR. It should give you some idea of how at least one experienced player is approaching it...zester said:
But i cant afford 30 div in westwall because french got 20+tank div i break the line easily I actualy beat Polant and counterattacked with 122 div vs 40 in Friedrishafen but the dont lose and actualy almost destroyed all my tank divisions
heartsofironfan said:
The perhaps most ingenious invention of mankind was structured speech, in which virtually any possible meaning could be expressed with a minimal risk of misunderstanding. Try it, it's great!
If I understand you correctly, you have attacked 40 French divisions in Friedrichshafen with 122 German divisions - and lost. Well, in order to command such a battle, you would have needed to attack from 5 different provinces, each holding a Field Marshal and having a functional HQ nearby, plus a one-division airborne attack on Friedrichshafen itself.
No u dont i have 20-30 div in each province of westwall the french breached the line with tanks i beat poland and send 122 div as reinforcements but i still lost sorry about speech :rofl: :rofl:Pal said:The perhaps most ingenious invention of mankind was structured speech, in which virtually any possible meaning could be expressed with a minimal risk of misunderstanding. Try it, it's great!
If I understand you correctly, you have attacked 40 French divisions in Friedrichshafen with 122 German divisions - and lost. Well, in order to command such a battle, you would have needed to attack from 5 different provinces, each holding a Field Marshal and having a functional HQ nearby, plus a one-division airborne attack on Friedrichshafen itself.
I just found that topic and was saying myself "let's give that dude a help".
But...err...your signature says you are...wait for it...nazi...that you support Ataka party and the best is to come...that you "fu*k America".
IIRC Ataka party is fascist, racist, anti-semite, xenophobic...and the words are lacking.
Oh well...don't expect any help from me then, you're on your own.o
But...err...your signature says you are...wait for it...nazi...that you support Ataka party and the best is to come...that you "fu*k America".
IIRC Ataka party is fascist, racist, anti-semite, xenophobic...and the words are lacking.
Oh well...don't expect any help from me then, you're on your own.
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Us facists have to stick together. Down with the commies! :rofl:
Right, first of all, you need 20 divisions in each province on the westwall. Any less and there's a pretty good chance the French will try and attack. I always build 60 militia divisions (called reserve divisions in WiF) and stack them all on the westwall. Later on these are used to defend beaches (they will actually become semi-good units in 1943 and are a great low manpower way of guarding Italy and France, but until 1943 they suck and should be used as nothing more than a garrison force).
I also scatter 4 infantry divisions in each westwall province too, so each province in the end has 24 divisions. Never seen the French try and go through that. When I was a n00b to WiF and tried only using a few divisions on the westwall aka like vanilla, the French broke through and kicked my ass. Even if you deal with them post-Poland, you still suffer having the Ruhr occupied and lose a lot of IC and manpower while you're mopping up. Worse, winter could set in and you'd be stuck with the French occupying large parts of Germany until the spring! No, the French must not break through.
Now, against Poland, you want to group all your MOT/ARM divisions in Oppeln. Put around 20 divisions in Strettin/Kustrin, and have a token force guarding Breslau and that other province bordering Poland too. If you don't defend East Prussia, I actually think taking Poland is easier as they will move troops to occupy the no-VP lands of Konisburg and Memel. On the downside, you will lose 6 IC from Konisburg and the manpower while you take over Poland, though this is more than compensated by the fact you won't have to fight extra divisions or build any transports, IMO.
Anyway, group all the rest of your stuff in Oppeln, and smash through the Polish lines until you get a province bordering Warsaw. This should be done by September 3rd. This will make the Soviets declare war, and from there it's an easy mop up job. When you attack Warsaw (and any other urban province in WiF really) attack the provinces next to it as well so the AI can't send a huge stack of reinforcements. Above all, do not allow Poland to retreat all it's divisions back to Warsaw. You want to encircle them before you cross the Vistula, and in Southern Poland. If you have an airforce, put it on interdiction.
By the way, make sure you have 16 interceptors by Danzig, otherwise you'll get owned by French and British strategic combers in the Sitzkrieg.
Now, when you attack France, you need to create "holding" attacks. You must choose areas you will draw their army to, and once you've done this, send your armour and motorised units through to capture France. What I normally do is use Antwerp as a holding attack, while overunning the Netherlands. Send the rest of your army through southern Belgium, and create another holding attack at Rheims. You should be using infantry for these attacksand only moving the armour after the battle is won, or nearly won.
Wait a day or two until the French have moved to defend Rheims/Antwerp, then send your tanks and motorised units through Liege, Mons, Lille etc. There won't be much defending against you as everything will be busy fighting massive battles in Rheims and Antwerp. Quickly overrun undefended France with your tanks, and the job is done.
The Soviet Union is a different matter entirely, and victory should not be expected within 1 year as it is on vanilla. To briefly describe what is otherwise a quite intense war, you should pick one area of the Soviet Union to focus on- North or South. All your tanks and mots, along with your airforce should be focused in that area, with the objective been to overwhelm the Soviets along one part of the front, then later on (perhaps as much as in summer 1942) attack at the front you didn't attack in 1941. I generally attack the South first as that's where their oil and their resources are located, and leave the North until later.
Also, conquer Sweden. This way you don't need convoys to supply troops in Norway, you don't need to build any transports to conquer Norway, you get a good escape routh after Finland inevitably dies, and you get a fair amount of rares and metal. Trust me, it's worth it.
Good luck. Don't expect to win your first few games though, it's a tricky mod.
Right, first of all, you need 20 divisions in each province on the westwall. Any less and there's a pretty good chance the French will try and attack. I always build 60 militia divisions (called reserve divisions in WiF) and stack them all on the westwall. Later on these are used to defend beaches (they will actually become semi-good units in 1943 and are a great low manpower way of guarding Italy and France, but until 1943 they suck and should be used as nothing more than a garrison force).
I also scatter 4 infantry divisions in each westwall province too, so each province in the end has 24 divisions. Never seen the French try and go through that. When I was a n00b to WiF and tried only using a few divisions on the westwall aka like vanilla, the French broke through and kicked my ass. Even if you deal with them post-Poland, you still suffer having the Ruhr occupied and lose a lot of IC and manpower while you're mopping up. Worse, winter could set in and you'd be stuck with the French occupying large parts of Germany until the spring! No, the French must not break through.
Now, against Poland, you want to group all your MOT/ARM divisions in Oppeln. Put around 20 divisions in Strettin/Kustrin, and have a token force guarding Breslau and that other province bordering Poland too. If you don't defend East Prussia, I actually think taking Poland is easier as they will move troops to occupy the no-VP lands of Konisburg and Memel. On the downside, you will lose 6 IC from Konisburg and the manpower while you take over Poland, though this is more than compensated by the fact you won't have to fight extra divisions or build any transports, IMO.
Anyway, group all the rest of your stuff in Oppeln, and smash through the Polish lines until you get a province bordering Warsaw. This should be done by September 3rd. This will make the Soviets declare war, and from there it's an easy mop up job. When you attack Warsaw (and any other urban province in WiF really) attack the provinces next to it as well so the AI can't send a huge stack of reinforcements. Above all, do not allow Poland to retreat all it's divisions back to Warsaw. You want to encircle them before you cross the Vistula, and in Southern Poland. If you have an airforce, put it on interdiction.
By the way, make sure you have 16 interceptors by Danzig, otherwise you'll get owned by French and British strategic combers in the Sitzkrieg.
Now, when you attack France, you need to create "holding" attacks. You must choose areas you will draw their army to, and once you've done this, send your armour and motorised units through to capture France. What I normally do is use Antwerp as a holding attack, while overunning the Netherlands. Send the rest of your army through southern Belgium, and create another holding attack at Rheims. You should be using infantry for these attacksand only moving the armour after the battle is won, or nearly won.
Wait a day or two until the French have moved to defend Rheims/Antwerp, then send your tanks and motorised units through Liege, Mons, Lille etc. There won't be much defending against you as everything will be busy fighting massive battles in Rheims and Antwerp. Quickly overrun undefended France with your tanks, and the job is done.
The Soviet Union is a different matter entirely, and victory should not be expected within 1 year as it is on vanilla. To briefly describe what is otherwise a quite intense war, you should pick one area of the Soviet Union to focus on- North or South. All your tanks and mots, along with your airforce should be focused in that area, with the objective been to overwhelm the Soviets along one part of the front, then later on (perhaps as much as in summer 1942) attack at the front you didn't attack in 1941. I generally attack the South first as that's where their oil and their resources are located, and leave the North until later.
Also, conquer Sweden. This way you don't need convoys to supply troops in Norway, you don't need to build any transports to conquer Norway, you get a good escape routh after Finland inevitably dies, and you get a fair amount of rares and metal. Trust me, it's worth it.
Good luck. Don't expect to win your first few games though, it's a tricky mod.
Oh ok there is lot of resistance in this forum so i will remove the nazi and ataka in sig but when i was reading your reply i sed to me w*f do i care and i have several computers and i can read your forum how when and where i like.SO DO U LOVE ME now :rofl:Fernando Torres said:I just found that topic and was saying myself "let's give that dude a help".
But...err...your signature says you are...wait for it...nazi...that you support Ataka party and the best is to come...that you "fu*k America".
IIRC Ataka party is fascist, racist, anti-semite, xenophobic...and the words are lacking.
Oh well...don't expect any help from me then, you're on your own.
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Well, I post here too because I have same question and then we maybe get more answers.
I've downloaded your mod and played two games, first 1 with Germany versus Ai and lost in -43 with normal difficulty, then in multiplayer as Soviet Union versus Human Ger. It was 1vs1 and I lost all my divisions in months.
I've noticed that many people says that combat system is realistic and "you should attack in whole front and with panzers and bigger force in place where you want breakthrought", is this? Attack on whole front realistic? Or am I understood wrong? (I read this before my first game as Germany) Well, I tried in France and I beat it in -40 August, after they went too deep in _germany_ and I get them into pocket.
In soviet union I get some nice little pockets, some like 100divs destroyed in first year (dunno how I made it, in new test didn't work) but still lost.
I had 28 panzers and some like 130 inf, no airforces because I can't use them good or I haven't needed them in vanilla so normally I don't build them.
I still have seen in AARs that people have succeeded in -42 to destroy france, SU and are finishing allies in harder difficulty so I do something wrong.
How should I proceed in this mod? It's strange when you beat AI in vanilla in three years and in WiF you lost in three years.. Would people who play this mod help little?
Is those free divisions for AI in some event file, if I delete some of them in future, or does this completely mess mod's settings? I don't like currently much that AI gets free divisions even this makes mod more challenging.
Thanks for everyone who answers.
I've downloaded your mod and played two games, first 1 with Germany versus Ai and lost in -43 with normal difficulty, then in multiplayer as Soviet Union versus Human Ger. It was 1vs1 and I lost all my divisions in months.
I've noticed that many people says that combat system is realistic and "you should attack in whole front and with panzers and bigger force in place where you want breakthrought", is this? Attack on whole front realistic? Or am I understood wrong? (I read this before my first game as Germany) Well, I tried in France and I beat it in -40 August, after they went too deep in _germany_ and I get them into pocket.
In soviet union I get some nice little pockets, some like 100divs destroyed in first year (dunno how I made it, in new test didn't work) but still lost.
I had 28 panzers and some like 130 inf, no airforces because I can't use them good or I haven't needed them in vanilla so normally I don't build them.
I still have seen in AARs that people have succeeded in -42 to destroy france, SU and are finishing allies in harder difficulty so I do something wrong.
How should I proceed in this mod? It's strange when you beat AI in vanilla in three years and in WiF you lost in three years.. Would people who play this mod help little?
Is those free divisions for AI in some event file, if I delete some of them in future, or does this completely mess mod's settings? I don't like currently much that AI gets free divisions even this makes mod more challenging.
Thanks for everyone who answers.
One man to help thanksDeath and Glory said:Us facists have to stick together. Down with the commies! :rofl:
Right, first of all, you need 20 divisions in each province on the westwall. Any less and there's a pretty good chance the French will try and attack. I always build 60 militia divisions (called reserve divisions in WiF) and stack them all on the westwall. Later on these are used to defend beaches (they will actually become semi-good units in 1943 and are a great low manpower way of guarding Italy and France, but until 1943 they suck and should be used as nothing more than a garrison force).
I also scatter 4 infantry divisions in each westwall province too, so each province in the end has 24 divisions. Never seen the French try and go through that. When I was a n00b to WiF and tried only using a few divisions on the westwall aka like vanilla, the French broke through and kicked my ass. Even if you deal with them post-Poland, you still suffer having the Ruhr occupied and lose a lot of IC and manpower while you're mopping up. Worse, winter could set in and you'd be stuck with the French occupying large parts of Germany until the spring! No, the French must not break through.
Now, against Poland, you want to group all your MOT/ARM divisions in Oppeln. Put around 20 divisions in Strettin/Kustrin, and have a token force guarding Breslau and that other province bordering Poland too. If you don't defend East Prussia, I actually think taking Poland is easier as they will move troops to occupy the no-VP lands of Konisburg and Memel. On the downside, you will lose 6 IC from Konisburg and the manpower while you take over Poland, though this is more than compensated by the fact you won't have to fight extra divisions or build any transports, IMO.
Anyway, group all the rest of your stuff in Oppeln, and smash through the Polish lines until you get a province bordering Warsaw. This should be done by September 3rd. This will make the Soviets declare war, and from there it's an easy mop up job. When you attack Warsaw (and any other urban province in WiF really) attack the provinces next to it as well so the AI can't send a huge stack of reinforcements. Above all, do not allow Poland to retreat all it's divisions back to Warsaw. You want to encircle them before you cross the Vistula, and in Southern Poland. If you have an airforce, put it on interdiction.
By the way, make sure you have 16 interceptors by Danzig, otherwise you'll get owned by French and British strategic combers in the Sitzkrieg.
Now, when you attack France, you need to create "holding" attacks. You must choose areas you will draw their army to, and once you've done this, send your armour and motorised units through to capture France. What I normally do is use Antwerp as a holding attack, while overunning the Netherlands. Send the rest of your army through southern Belgium, and create another holding attack at Rheims. You should be using infantry for these attacksand only moving the armour after the battle is won, or nearly won.
Wait a day or two until the French have moved to defend Rheims/Antwerp, then send your tanks and motorised units through Liege, Mons, Lille etc. There won't be much defending against you as everything will be busy fighting massive battles in Rheims and Antwerp. Quickly overrun undefended France with your tanks, and the job is done.
The Soviet Union is a different matter entirely, and victory should not be expected within 1 year as it is on vanilla. To briefly describe what is otherwise a quite intense war, you should pick one area of the Soviet Union to focus on- North or South. All your tanks and mots, along with your airforce should be focused in that area, with the objective been to overwhelm the Soviets along one part of the front, then later on (perhaps as much as in summer 1942) attack at the front you didn't attack in 1941. I generally attack the South first as that's where their oil and their resources are located, and leave the North until later.
Also, conquer Sweden. This way you don't need convoys to supply troops in Norway, you don't need to build any transports to conquer Norway, you get a good escape routh after Finland inevitably dies, and you get a fair amount of rares and metal. Trust me, it's worth it.
Good luck. Don't expect to win your first few games though, it's a tricky mod.
Bummy- I've never seen a WiF mod where in 1942 the German player had beaten the Soviet Union and were "finishing the allies", if by "finishing" you mean a sealion/invasion the mainland USA. You'd have to be a tactical god to be doing that by 1942, expecially on the harder levels. What you should be focusing on is defeating France and Poland by mid-1940, minimising your manpower losses, and be prepared to face the world from 1942 onwards.
When we say "attack the whole front" we mean "attack the provinces next to the province you really want to take.
For instance, if I wanted to capture Beltsy while fighting the Soviets, it would be wise for me to launch an attack on Iasi as well, so the Soviets don't rush troops to Beltsy to halt your offensive.
The attacks on the secondary provinces don't have to involve huge numbers of troops, they just have to keep the enemy occupied until you have blitzed through the province you really wish to capture. In the Battle of France, you want to be able to occupy the enemy in the holding attacks for about 10-14 days, which will give you time to take France.
It is not neccesary to attack every enemy province bordering all of yours at once however- you have to pick and choose where you wish to engage the enemy army, and then launch your strong attacks in other places after they have moved a large army to defend the provinces you are using to "hold" them in place.
This is also ideal to encircle. Hold a massive enemy army in place while your panzers do the encirclement, then finish their army off.
The AI does get some free divisions, though IIRC on normal/normal the Soviets dont get any against Germany, and on challange/normal they only start getting free divisions after you cross the Dniper. It can sometimes seem they are getting free divisions however, as the Soviets have so much manpower and so will build a lot of divisions.
The only free divisions they get in abundance are transport ships. I don'tb like it that you can't cripple the enemies ability to transport troops by sinking their transports as they simply get more the next day, but I'd rather have the AI get some free transports, then not see D-Day or an invasion of Italy.
Looking at your post, I can see some stuff wrong with your army composition. First of all, you need an airforce, even if it's just a few bombers and interceptors. They are of immense help in the longer battles and to thin out enemy troops.
You also don't have enough mobile troops, assuming you only built ARM and no MOT. I try to have 60 MOT/30 ARM by Operation Barbarossa. Yes, it's a lot of TC and oil, but the hardness of the units is invaluble in the longer battles, and MOT are a cheap way to capture lots of ground. Your number of infantry seems OK- you might want to brigade them however. I like rocket artillery.
Even if you don't beat the Soviet Union by the end of 1942, don't panic. While it's true the longer the war goes on the worse it gets for Germany, with wise trading to build up a pre war stockpile, and a sensible strategy to conserve manpower, the allied landings can be beaten back, allowing for a renewed campaign against the Soviets. At the start of 1943 you get 300 manpower from Goebbels's "total war" speech, and I believe another event fires soon after to give another 300 manpower.
I heartily recommend 1943 militia to defend Italy and France from allied assaults, brigaded if possible with rocket artillery. You also need a few armoured divisions in France (which you can build in 1942-43), and you'll need some interceptors unless you enjoy been strat bombed to death.
When we say "attack the whole front" we mean "attack the provinces next to the province you really want to take.
For instance, if I wanted to capture Beltsy while fighting the Soviets, it would be wise for me to launch an attack on Iasi as well, so the Soviets don't rush troops to Beltsy to halt your offensive.
The attacks on the secondary provinces don't have to involve huge numbers of troops, they just have to keep the enemy occupied until you have blitzed through the province you really wish to capture. In the Battle of France, you want to be able to occupy the enemy in the holding attacks for about 10-14 days, which will give you time to take France.
It is not neccesary to attack every enemy province bordering all of yours at once however- you have to pick and choose where you wish to engage the enemy army, and then launch your strong attacks in other places after they have moved a large army to defend the provinces you are using to "hold" them in place.
This is also ideal to encircle. Hold a massive enemy army in place while your panzers do the encirclement, then finish their army off.
The AI does get some free divisions, though IIRC on normal/normal the Soviets dont get any against Germany, and on challange/normal they only start getting free divisions after you cross the Dniper. It can sometimes seem they are getting free divisions however, as the Soviets have so much manpower and so will build a lot of divisions.
The only free divisions they get in abundance are transport ships. I don'tb like it that you can't cripple the enemies ability to transport troops by sinking their transports as they simply get more the next day, but I'd rather have the AI get some free transports, then not see D-Day or an invasion of Italy.
Looking at your post, I can see some stuff wrong with your army composition. First of all, you need an airforce, even if it's just a few bombers and interceptors. They are of immense help in the longer battles and to thin out enemy troops.
You also don't have enough mobile troops, assuming you only built ARM and no MOT. I try to have 60 MOT/30 ARM by Operation Barbarossa. Yes, it's a lot of TC and oil, but the hardness of the units is invaluble in the longer battles, and MOT are a cheap way to capture lots of ground. Your number of infantry seems OK- you might want to brigade them however. I like rocket artillery.
Even if you don't beat the Soviet Union by the end of 1942, don't panic. While it's true the longer the war goes on the worse it gets for Germany, with wise trading to build up a pre war stockpile, and a sensible strategy to conserve manpower, the allied landings can be beaten back, allowing for a renewed campaign against the Soviets. At the start of 1943 you get 300 manpower from Goebbels's "total war" speech, and I believe another event fires soon after to give another 300 manpower.
I heartily recommend 1943 militia to defend Italy and France from allied assaults, brigaded if possible with rocket artillery. You also need a few armoured divisions in France (which you can build in 1942-43), and you'll need some interceptors unless you enjoy been strat bombed to death.
Death and Glory said:Bummy- I've never seen a WiF mod where in 1942 the German player had beaten the Soviet Union and were "finishing the allies", if by "finishing" you mean a sealion/invasion the mainland USA. You'd have to be a tactical god to be doing that by 1942, expecially on the harder levels. What you should be focusing on is defeating France and Poland by mid-1940, minimising your manpower losses, and be prepared to face the world from 1942 onwards.
When we say "attack the whole front" we mean "attack the provinces next to the province you really want to take.
For instance, if I wanted to capture Beltsy while fighting the Soviets, it would be wise for me to launch an attack on Iasi as well, so the Soviets don't rush troops to Beltsy to halt your offensive.
The attacks on the secondary provinces don't have to involve huge numbers of troops, they just have to keep the enemy occupied until you have blitzed through the province you really wish to capture. In the Battle of France, you want to be able to occupy the enemy in the holding attacks for about 10-14 days, which will give you time to take France.
It is not neccesary to attack every enemy province bordering all of yours at once however- you have to pick and choose where you wish to engage the enemy army, and then launch your strong attacks in other places after they have moved a large army to defend the provinces you are using to "hold" them in place.
This is also ideal to encircle. Hold a massive enemy army in place while your panzers do the encirclement, then finish their army off.
The AI does get some free divisions, though IIRC on normal/normal the Soviets dont get any against Germany, and on challange/normal they only start getting free divisions after you cross the Dniper. It can sometimes seem they are getting free divisions however, as the Soviets have so much manpower and so will build a lot of divisions.
The only free divisions they get in abundance are transport ships. I don'tb like it that you can't cripple the enemies ability to transport troops by sinking their transports as they simply get more the next day, but I'd rather have the AI get some free transports, then not see D-Day or an invasion of Italy.
Looking at your post, I can see some stuff wrong with your army composition. First of all, you need an airforce, even if it's just a few bombers and interceptors. They are of immense help in the longer battles and to thin out enemy troops.
You also don't have enough mobile troops, assuming you only built ARM and no MOT. I try to have 60 MOT/30 ARM by Operation Barbarossa. Yes, it's a lot of TC and oil, but the hardness of the units is invaluble in the longer battles, and MOT are a cheap way to capture lots of ground. Your number of infantry seems OK- you might want to brigade them however. I like rocket artillery.
Even if you don't beat the Soviet Union by the end of 1942, don't panic. While it's true the longer the war goes on the worse it gets for Germany, with wise trading to build up a pre war stockpile, and a sensible strategy to conserve manpower, the allied landings can be beaten back, allowing for a renewed campaign against the Soviets. At the start of 1943 you get 300 manpower from Goebbels's "total war" speech, and I believe another event fires soon after to give another 300 manpower.
I heartily recommend 1943 militia to defend Italy and France from allied assaults, brigaded if possible with rocket artillery. You also need a few armoured divisions in France (which you can build in 1942-43), and you'll need some interceptors unless you enjoy been strat bombed to death.
Wow, thanks for nice answer, I'll try those out. By finishing allies I meant that they've destroyed Red Army, beaten France and taken north-Africa.
Yes, in vanilla I build only panzers and infantry, not mot. inf. I'll try to make them too this time.. How many TACs and INTs will I need? 8? 12? 20? 30?
So, If I want to attack Stryj with panzers and mot. inf. I should first attack Lvov with infantry and then launch, little later, attack against Stryj?
If SU don't get free divisions in Normal, then I really made something wrong when german player crushed me in months and I didn't get more than 250divisions by -41 and lost versus Soviet AI as Germany, or do AI get free MP?
It is certainly possible to have North Africa and France, and having beaten much of the red army by 1942, though I always leave North Africa solely to Italy, and they normally fail against the Brits as they did in real life.
You'll definetly need some motorised infantry. I made a thread a while back however, on why you shouldn't group them together. This means, have stacks of 3 ARM, and stacks of 3 MOT, but never stacks of 1 ARM/2 MOT. The reason been the MOT de-organises faster than the ARM, thus will take massive manpower losses if you leave the ARM fighting in the same stack.
To be honest, I normally build all the MOT's I need (60) pre-Danzig, and start churning out the ARM (30) once all the MOT is completed. This generally means I'll only have the 3 tanks that you get at the start to defeat Poland with, I'll have a few more tanks for France, but the majority of the panzers are only completed after France has fallen.
You will need 16 interceptors before you go to war- one group of 8 to defend the Westfalen area, and one group of 8 defending the Baden-Wurttenberg area. You won't need any airforce against Poland really- you'll have 8 TAC bombers from your starting force, and Austria normally builds a couple, which is enough to deal with any problems in Poland. You don't really need anymore than this to take France either, so long as your strategy is good and quickly executed after you attack the Benelux countries. For the Soviets, I'd recommend at least 16 TAC bombers. After the war starts with the Soviets, start increasing your interceptor numbers again, as you'll need them to defend France once the USA begins their strat bombing campaign, as well to defend your own forces from the Soviet airforce.
Yes, that sounds about right. This tactic gets expecially important when trying to capture urban provinces.
I'm not sure whether the AI gets free manpower or not on normal/normal. They get extra manpower when playing on higher than normal difficulty- but they get this in vanilla too. When loading up as the Soviet Union in test games, I've never noticed them having an absurd amount of manpower, and the longer the war goes on, it does seem to go down. With that said, I've never been able to drain the SOV of all its manpower, mainly because once they're down to about 700 manpower they start building more tanks and planes.
Finally, don't worry about winning. It can be fun to fight a slow, losing battle against the world. I lost my first few games spectacuarly as well.
You'll definetly need some motorised infantry. I made a thread a while back however, on why you shouldn't group them together. This means, have stacks of 3 ARM, and stacks of 3 MOT, but never stacks of 1 ARM/2 MOT. The reason been the MOT de-organises faster than the ARM, thus will take massive manpower losses if you leave the ARM fighting in the same stack.
To be honest, I normally build all the MOT's I need (60) pre-Danzig, and start churning out the ARM (30) once all the MOT is completed. This generally means I'll only have the 3 tanks that you get at the start to defeat Poland with, I'll have a few more tanks for France, but the majority of the panzers are only completed after France has fallen.
You will need 16 interceptors before you go to war- one group of 8 to defend the Westfalen area, and one group of 8 defending the Baden-Wurttenberg area. You won't need any airforce against Poland really- you'll have 8 TAC bombers from your starting force, and Austria normally builds a couple, which is enough to deal with any problems in Poland. You don't really need anymore than this to take France either, so long as your strategy is good and quickly executed after you attack the Benelux countries. For the Soviets, I'd recommend at least 16 TAC bombers. After the war starts with the Soviets, start increasing your interceptor numbers again, as you'll need them to defend France once the USA begins their strat bombing campaign, as well to defend your own forces from the Soviet airforce.
Bummy said:
Yes, that sounds about right. This tactic gets expecially important when trying to capture urban provinces.
I'm not sure whether the AI gets free manpower or not on normal/normal. They get extra manpower when playing on higher than normal difficulty- but they get this in vanilla too. When loading up as the Soviet Union in test games, I've never noticed them having an absurd amount of manpower, and the longer the war goes on, it does seem to go down. With that said, I've never been able to drain the SOV of all its manpower, mainly because once they're down to about 700 manpower they start building more tanks and planes.
Finally, don't worry about winning. It can be fun to fight a slow, losing battle against the world.
I lost my first few games spectacuarly as well.
wow, a very useful thread... So useful in fact I now find myself downloading HOI2 for my laptop, can't wait to give WiF another try before I get back to the states in December.
I've never actually "won" as Germany at N/N, but I have at least managed to do as well as in history, which was to me a great victory
However, I did manage to beat the USSR once... as Italy... and damn, it was probably the most epic thing ever. It's not easy, but if you make Italy strong and surprise the Allies with a lightning offensive through the desert w/ marines invading the Levant, well, you can open a Southern front with the USSR by spring 1943(at this point I realized that mountain divs may have been wiser than marines, but... marines seem cooler!). And if you DO NOT over extend yourself by wandering into the jungles of Africa, reserves/those militias in ethiopia are suddenly very important, you can end up behind the Soviet lines, thus screwing them royally. If I have time I might make an AAR, but... I'm kinda busy in Egypt at the moment, maybe in December I just hope I can do it again!
So, in short, maybe give Italy a try! It worked for me, although, I had previously mastered any number of Italy strategies in Vanilla... but never once played as Germany... or anyone else for that matter except Nat China, Argentina, and Turkey(IMHO the most fun Vanilla nation)...
I guess I'm a little strange in my love of Italy!!!
I've never actually "won" as Germany at N/N, but I have at least managed to do as well as in history, which was to me a great victory
However, I did manage to beat the USSR once... as Italy... and damn, it was probably the most epic thing ever. It's not easy, but if you make Italy strong and surprise the Allies with a lightning offensive through the desert w/ marines invading the Levant, well, you can open a Southern front with the USSR by spring 1943(at this point I realized that mountain divs may have been wiser than marines, but... marines seem cooler!). And if you DO NOT over extend yourself by wandering into the jungles of Africa, reserves/those militias in ethiopia are suddenly very important, you can end up behind the Soviet lines, thus screwing them royally. If I have time I might make an AAR, but... I'm kinda busy in Egypt at the moment, maybe in December
I just hope I can do it again!So, in short, maybe give Italy a try! It worked for me, although, I had previously mastered any number of Italy strategies in Vanilla... but never once played as Germany... or anyone else for that matter except Nat China, Argentina, and Turkey(IMHO the most fun Vanilla nation)...
I guess I'm a little strange in my love of Italy!!!