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if we everything goes according to plan, we can have the Anscluss (the annexation of Austria) in the summer of 1937, almost a year before the real Germans did. this means about 15 to 18 extra IC, extra MP, extra LS.
The price, however, is to increase our threat almost a year early as well, but it is one well north paying.
note that the Anschluss can be achieved by doing nothing. In early 1938, Austria will get a "political turmoil" that paves the way for the decision as well, though I don't know any German AARs that wait for it, and have never heard anyone argue against this strategy either.
I must therefor assume that it is by far the best strategy available from among the many talented armchair generals on the forum.
I will edit the paragraph to make this more clearly.
 
Are we trying to get the NASDP to 10%, 15%?? Are we attempting to coup the government or is getting the NASDP to 15% enough? I'm wondering what the goal is, so that we can activate Anschluss?
 
SonofWinter said:
Are we trying to get the NASDP to 10%, 15%?? Are we attempting to coup the government or is getting the NASDP to 15% enough? I'm wondering what the goal is, so that we can activate Anschluss?
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Mouse over the decision in the diplomacy screen and the tooltip will inform you in detail.
 
that is a decision as well, but there is nothing you can do to speed that one up. it comes in 2 stages. just like in real life, first there are the Munich accords, transferring the (heavily protected) outer belt to Germany, in early '38. in the fall of '38, you have the First Vienna Award, that ends Chechoslovakia and gives Germany a puppet (Slovakia)
 
This is really excellent. Just found the thread (from a referral in a different post). The game IS overwhelming at first. I'm a very long time wargamer, but new to HOI. I'll be following along. Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into this. Now that I've read through it twice I'm ready to go back, start up the game and follow along.

Dave
 
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misterbean said:
Mouse over the decision in the diplomacy screen and the tooltip will inform you in detail.
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Will do when I get home from work, but that won't be for another 5 hours. But good to know where I can find the info. Unless someone wants to tell me before then, what the desired status, is then I would appreciate it very much.
 
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So, not all the decisions show up in the decision part of the diplomacy at the start at the game?
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unfortunately, no. then again, Germany is the most event/decision driven nation in the game, so it would be quite a long list.
 
SonofWinter said:
Will do when I get home from work, but that won't be for another 5 hours. But good to know where I can find the info. Unless someone wants to tell me before then, what the desired status, is then I would appreciate it very much.
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too lazy to fire up the game, but going from memory, I believe one of them should be 40% (I might be mistaken: having 2 mods as well as vanilla FtM and SF can get kind of confusing where the exact numbers are concerned)
 
Ultradave said:
This is really excellent. Just found the thread (from a referral in a different post). The game IS overwhelming at first. I'm a very long time wargamer, but new to HOI. I'll be following along. Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into this. Now that I've read through it twice I'm ready to go back, start up the game and follow along.

Dave
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welcome. Hope you enjoy the ride!
 
TY Misterbean and here is a bit of a helpful hint for those who are willing to invest time.

For those of you who are really looking to milk the system, buy max 30 or 32 rares from Italy, go to the US sell them 50 supplies at max price and the same for the USSR, then buy 50 oil from the US, then sell supplies at 50 again and again (x3 I think)price will keep dropping so you will get less and less $, until they drop to the point where they can't buy 50 supplies, anymore and buy 50 oil again and sell supplies again, until you get to the 200 relationship. You'll be at -$ all this time. At which point you ask for another 50 oil for like $19.00 and drop the $27 for 50 oil agreement, you originally agreed to. Do this for all the agreements you made and eventually you'll find that you are actually selling your supplies to the US at a high price and paying them low prices for Oil, Metal and whatever else you want to buy from them.
 
SonofWinter said:
TY Misterbean and here is a bit of a helpful hint for those who are willing to invest time.

For those of you who are really looking to milk the system, buy max 30 or 32 rares from Italy, go to the US sell them 50 supplies at max price and the same for the USSR, then buy 50 oil from the US, then sell supplies at 50 again and again (x3 I think)price will keep dropping so you will get less and less $, until they drop to the point where they can't buy 50 supplies, anymore and buy 50 oil again and sell supplies again, until you get to the 200 relationship. You'll be at -$ all this time. At which point you ask for another 50 oil for like $19.00 and drop the $27 for 50 oil agreement, you originally agreed to. Do this for all the agreements you made and eventually you'll find that you are actually selling your supplies to the US at a high price and paying them low prices for Oil, Metal and whatever else you want to buy from them.
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a few hints here, if you don't mind. Italy has a lot of rares, but eventually, they run out if you take it all. you have to leave italy some of its own to work with or their usable IC will drop because of resource trouble and they end the trades until their own troubles are solved, leaving you with nothing.
While I agree that the US is an excellent trading partner, once the war starts, you're going to have one hell of a time getting even a single convoy to reach Boston. So you'll have to stop trading with them once the war starts, leaving you with a huge deficit and icy relations (at best) with the Soviets, who could keep you going until 1941 at reasonable rates. Don't put all your eggs in one basket or you might find it hard at some point to make an omelet.
 
I agree with you, the thing is to build up stockpiles of resources, because you won't have oil coming in after September of 1939, so that in 1939 you can cancel all the trades and you have huge resources available for your war against the World. :D And once the war against the allies begins, you can switch out the US for the USSR in the same manner.


The point of doing it with the US, is to negate the fact that the UK will be doing their damndest to influence the US into the Allies corner and having 185-200 relations with the US means they are moving in the general direction of the Axis rather than the Allies. :D Laughs evilly.


As for Italy, they are more useless than "boobs on a man" and they don't produce anything. But I believe the only resources anyone will sell you are the ones they have over what they are spending. In case any of you find that you are running out of supplies, that's what Italy is for, they sell them. :D
 
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Also, for those of you who are like, hey if all these trades drop or you drop them in Sept. 1939, what happens to your relationship with the US. Fact is, if you always go to 200 relationship and drop to 185, whenever you cancel an unfavorable trade. When all these trades go away, you’ll just drop back to your original starting point.

Oh wait, you don’t have to, you only have to cancel your sales to the US, you’ll stop selling supplies, which might drop you by 6 trades -90 relationship. But they’ll still be producing OIL and selling it to you. :D That means that when you want oil in 1939-1941, the only way it stops is if the UK starts attacking US tankers, since the OIL is in the US delivery system not in Germany’s. I want to see the UK attacking US oil tankers, and see how that works out for them. LOL
 
Now some of you may say, but I like my 185-200 relationship with the US. Ok, when you are no longer able to buy as much OIL but still want to keep the relationship up, here’s what you do. Buy 10 OIL, +15 rel, drop 50 OIL, -15 rel; still at 185 rel right. Now drop 50 supplies being sold, buy 10 OIL, keep doing it and always keep a relationship of 185 with the US.

And as I’ve said, the UK can’t sink US OIL tankers, unless they declare war. Now, true, once you are no longer able to sell your supplies you can’t afford to keep the same amount of oil flowing in your general direction, don’t fret. Any huge 50 OIL buys can be dropped to 5 OIL buys and you can keep your relationship of 185-200 all game long until the AI decides to cheat. :)
 
it is always the buyer that has to send his convoys. buy oil from US, its German tankers sailing the Pacific, not US tankers/
 
As (not sure which country), some of the deals offered me said that I was responsible for the convoys, even though it was their trade.
When you mean buyer, do you mean the person spending the money, or the person offering the trade?

Something I've seemed to notice. When you let the AI automate trades, I always seem to be making money, and have a surplus in all my resources... which is helpful as Germany. Are there reasons not to let the AI manage trades?
 
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2 quick questions misterbean.

1)Should we leave the convoy settings on auto?
2)As far as the air and naval leaders, will you be guiding us on which ones to choose or should we
be assigning them now?

What an awesome tutorial!! Not only am I learning game mechanics which some I didn't know but even more important, your
explanation of strategy is starting to have this all make sense.
Thanks again for your time.
 
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