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Martinus said:
Do you seriously believe no parent could tell which of his children is smarter in maths, which one has a better way of expressing themselves or which is physically stronger or more able? :confused:
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I don't have any examples from the CK time frame, but the father of Fredrick the Great of Prussia didn't think highly of his son... :p
 
Nikolai said:
I don't have any examples from the CK time frame, but the father of Fredrick the Great of Prussia didn't think highly of his son... :p
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Well, Harald Blåtand (Bluetooth) of Denmark wasn't too enthusiastic about his bastard son Svend Tveskæg either.
He refused Svend the throne (though Svend was the first in line for the title). This resulted in Svend taking things into his own hands and assassinated his father (according to some myths by ambushing Harald and stabbing him through his rear end (yes, his ass)).

So there's a kinslayer for you. Nevertheless Svend became king after his infamous deed. However this was before CK time frame ... but still :)
 
hjarg said:
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Can you send him to monastery?

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I suppose that is not out of the question. It was common to train younger children, those who were further down the inheritancne line, for service in the Church.

Of course I don't know if your first born would take exception to this line of training, however.
 
If I recall correctly, if a younger son trained for the clergy and then through unusual circumstance suddenly found himself coming into a titular inheritance, he could be given a dispensation of some sort from the church. Trouble is, I can't immediately lay my hands on a source to confirm this so there's a possibility that this is anothe rone of those myths...
 
MrT said:
If I recall correctly, if a younger son trained for the clergy and then through unusual circumstance suddenly found himself coming into a titular inheritance, he could be given a dispensation of some sort from the church. Trouble is, I can't immediately lay my hands on a source to confirm this so there's a possibility that this is anothe rone of those myths...
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Henry VIII...?
 
What happens if "that sorry excuse of a son" is a bastard son?
Would I still become a kinslayer then?;)
 
Johan said:
Well.. getting tagged with the trait "kinslayer" does not do any wonders for your reputation.
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Sure it does, To quote Eric Idle on Tony Blair's popularity "Soared? It sure has. A better word might be plumeted."
 
Sikker said:
This resulted in Svend taking things into his own hands and assassinated his father (according to some myths by ambushing Harald and stabbing him through his rear end (yes, his ass)).
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Crikey :eek: Are you listening Dr Freud?
 
Johan - Leafs? No!!! I was at the 3/15 Sabres debacle. Great atmosphere, as always for Leafs games (Leafs fans sang along with Oh, Canada, so we had to sing along with the Star Spangled Banner). Well, I guess they have to win every few years in Buffalo so that Leafs fans keep buying our tickets :p

Johan said:
Well.. getting tagged with the trait "kinslayer" does not do any wonders for your reputation.
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Any chance we can get more tidbits like this? Or a hint on how to arrange accidents?
 
InnocentIII said:
Johan - Leafs? No!!! I was at the 3/15 Sabres debacle.
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Go Leafs!!! Johan knows what's best for his health... Watch and learn, young padawan. :)

InnocentIII said:
Any chance we can get more tidbits like this? Or a hint on how to arrange accidents?
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I'd assume that if you exclude assasinations, the only other way would be to get him killed in battle - but I'm sure both of these approaches incur a gigantic prestige penaulty.
Cheers,
Milos
 
Ironside said:
Yes. I was talking about Henry VIII though :D Am I incorrect in saying he was training for the clergy prior to Arthur's death?
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No. He was already Duke of York. Not likely the only other surviving son would be sent into clergy.

Recommend J. J. Scarisbrick's biography, Henry VIII, if you're interested.


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[EDIT: Hmm, perhaps I was a bit hasty. Out of curiosity, I checked the Scarisbrick book myself. It seems the notion comes from a 17th century biography of H8 where it is supposed H7 had his second son lined up for Canterbury. Scarisbrick only gives a paragraph to it and finds no evidence to support the scheme. Of course there are other biographies, but this is all dangerously OT by now...]
 
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Edgar Francis I said:
No. He was already Duke of York. Not likely the only other surviving son would be sent into clergy.

Recommend J. J. Scarisbrick's biography, Henry VIII, if you're interested.


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[EDIT: Hmm, perhaps I was a bit hasty. Out of curiosity, I checked the Scarisbrick book myself. It seems the notion comes from a 17th century biography of H8 where it is supposed H7 had his second son lined up for Canterbury. Scarisbrick only gives a paragraph to it and finds no evidence to support the scheme. Of course there are other biographies, but this is all dangerously OT by now...]
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True. Just to wrap it up, I think I've seen it in a couple of places but the bloke that comes to mind saying it is David Starkey, FYI.
 
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